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Yes but "Internationale" is really Communist while Russian sounding "Red Army is the Strongest" is nationalistic / chauvinistic.

The song isn't called "Red Army is the Strongest," it's "White Army, Black Baron," an anthem from the Civil War, and thus quite appropriate for a Lenin mini-them.

And Russians were only 1/2 of all inhabitants of the Soviet Union and of all soldiers of the Red Army, by the way.

If that were true of the time, it would make your first point completely null, since it glorifies the Red Army that you note was so multi-ethnic, and not purely Russian. There's no mention of Russians or Russia at all in the song. The Red Army goes where the Soviet sends them, and anywhere from the taiga to the British seas, they will win [against counter-revolutionaries and foreign interventionists]. However, at the time of the Civil War, the Sovnarkom center of power was central European Russia, which was pretty ethnically strongly Russian, and thus it's highly likely that the bulk of the Red Army during the Civil War was, in fact, ethnic Russians. But as I've already shown, that's an irrelevant point since it doesn't talk about Russians.

At any rate, a Pole complaining about nationalism/chauvinism is the pot calling the kettle black.
 
Does anyone know how Prussia managed to come off so well at the Congress of Vienna? I know the Hohenzollerns had limited holdings around the Rhine since the 1550's, but handing them Westphalia, the Rhineland, and so much of Saxony seems like a bit of a leap. Was it simply compensation for carving off Congress Poland, and nobody wanting to recreate hundreds or thousands of German principalities again?
 
Does anyone know how Prussia managed to come off so well at the Congress of Vienna? I know the Hohenzollerns had limited holdings around the Rhine since the 1550's, but handing them Westphalia, the Rhineland, and so much of Saxony seems like a bit of a leap. Was it simply compensation for carving off Congress Poland, and nobody wanting to recreate hundreds or thousands of German principalities again?
Prussia was one of the founding members of the alliance that eventually defeated Napoleon, along with Russia and Sweden. (The British, despite being at war with Napoleon already, didn't really enter the alliance until well after the Prussians and Russians had begun fighting in Saxony together.) As part of the Russians' campaign to a) get Prussia back in their corner and b) use Prussian manpower and bases to push Napoleon out of Central Europe, Aleksandr offered support for several key Prussian foreign policy goals. Prussia's chief objective was a restoration of the borders of 1806 - before Napoleon provoked the war with them - at which point they controlled Hannover and most of the parts of Poland that were worth having (Warsaw, the Wielkopolska, etc.), along with several chunks of the Rhineland and Franconia. Since these borders were probably unattainable in toto - Britain would demand Hannover back, and the Russians were interested in Prussian Poland - the Prussians were willing to settle for equivalent territory.

Since Prussia was such a huge contributor to the defeat of Napoleon - thought it must be said that without any of the 'big four', the alliance probably would have failed - they ended up, more or less, getting their wish. The 'more or less' is a rather big departure from the actual plan, though. Russia had in effect promised the Prussians total control of Saxony in exchange for their share of Poland. This was supposed to be a fairly easy pill for the Austrians and British to swallow, since the Saxon king had been one of Napoleon's staunchest allies and supposedly deserved to be punished. It turned out that Saxony's total destruction was not acceptable to those powers, which launched a serious crisis in the winter of 1814-15 (inventively enough called "the Saxon-Polish crisis").

The end result was that Russia won - gaining Prussian Poland in the face of the opposition of the British, Austrians, and Talleyrand - but then promptly forced Prussia to settle for "only" about half of Saxony. In exchange, the Prussians would get the remainder of the Rhineland, partially to give them a stake in defending western Germany from the French, partially in order to keep it out of the hands of Willem I (who wanted to resurrect some sort of Burgundian state), and partially because the Prussians had owned a pretty significant chunk of it before the revolutionary wars anyway. The Rhineland pretty clearly could not go back to the way it had been in 1792 - something like three hundred independent polities controlled it, which had been swept away by Napoleon - and it could not go back to the way it had been under Napoleon, when it had been ruled by France and the Bonapartist sock-puppet, Westphalia. Prussia was the most acceptable solution.
 
The end result was that Russia won - gaining Prussian Poland in the face of the opposition of the British, Austrians, and Talleyrand - but then promptly forced Prussia to settle for "only" about half of Saxony.

I like how Talleyrand is mentioned here in a sentence that lists countries.
 
Well, normally one would've said "the French" there, but Talleyrand didn't really represent France or the French: Talleyrand represented Talleyrand. :p
 
*If Bismarck and Talleyrand played chess against each other:

The game would start with Talleyrand's queen actually being one of Bismarck's rooks in disguise, which Talleyrand would use to trick Bismarck into manipulating Talleyrand the way he wants him to manipulate him into manipulating him to manipulate him.

Than Bismarck would inform the judge that Talleyrand said something rude about the judge's mother and get him kicked out.
 
Snerk.

Talleyrand was actually sort of a mediocre diplomat at best who was good chiefly at taking credit for stuff other people did. Metternich was better conceptually, although he wasn't particularly good of a technician. Castlereagh was better than both by far - easily one of the most brilliant diplomats ever, to be honest.

Bismarck would've wiped the floor with the Bishop of Autun.
 
If you're going to post a huffy little remark claiming that you're quitting the forum, halfway down a post really isn't the place to do it.
 
And how is Poles writing how mighty the Winged Hussars were or how bravely Poland fought in WW2 or in the Polish-Bolshevik war Polish nationalist, when a large portion of the Winged Hussars and of the Polish army / armies in WW2 and the Polish-Bolshevik war were non-Polish?
So Poland had to 'borrow' the glory from non-Poles to make their own poor performance seem less humiliating?

And how is a video with song "The Red Army is the Strongest" and Putin + Medvedev (who both have nothing to do with the Red Army contrary to what both the author of this video and the one who posted it on this forum - user Cheezy - suggested) images not Russian nationalist?
So you are objecting to the images contained in the video rather than the actual history of the song? I've seen plenty of nutty pictures in youtube clips of Soviet music (including what can only be described as a procession for St. Stalin), but all that illustrates is that the person who uploaded the song knows very little about its history.
 
*If Bismarck and Talleyrand played chess against each other:

The game would start with Talleyrand's queen actually being one of Bismarck's rooks in disguise, which Talleyrand would use to trick Bismarck into manipulating Talleyrand the way he wants him to manipulate him into manipulating him to manipulate him.

Than Bismarck would inform the judge that Talleyrand said something rude about the judge's mother and get him kicked out.
Actually, the most likely opening would be Talleyrand having sex with the Queen, then somehow managing to stay in power after having his King changed on four separate occasions.
 
I would assume bronze because apart from copper you would need tin and then you would need smelt it.
 
In societies that used specie coinage, what was worth more, copper or bronze?
Usually coins circulated by weight. But in the classical Mediterranean at least, bronze coins tended to be larger than copper ones.
 
Any estimates to when/if the Soviets would've completed their atomic bomb project without their spy ring in the Allies?
 
the spy ring happens to be of British origin in the first place , but you didn't hear it from me . ı have heard the Soviet nuclear "threat" would have been credible in the mid 50s , with a minimum number of bombs and planes to carry them to a militarily meaningful range but the 1949 test showed the time table was behind the reality .
 
I have to wonder how much of it existed without the spy ring?
They weren't working on a bomb program before the war? Most of the developed countries were, even Japan.

The Soviets nabbed a few of Germany's nuclear scientists at the end of the war, so presumably they'd have launched a program at that point, if they did not already have one. The problem with that is that the Germans had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
 
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