How can you believe in evolution but no social darwinism

How can liberals say that religion and politics should not mix, and say that conservatives "reject science" because of............political views? That makes no sense. Consider that argument ERASED....:scan:

Your argument makes no sense. What are you trying to say?
 
You said: "when people stop belaiving in God, instead of there being "a brotherhood of man", people will focus on racial differences".

Please tell me how that should be interpreted, other than "if you don't believe in God, you will become a racist".

Not agreeing with him (I'll make no judgment until he explains), but that being the general result wouldn't make it always the case.

The worst racists believed Evolution was God, and the worst racists had strong beliefs in Evolution (Hitler for one.) This doesn't, IN ITSELF, make Evolution evil, but it is used as reasoning to do evil, as is atheism and religion.
 
People apropriating evolution to justify their racist delusions is just as abhorrent as people commiting genocide because 'god said so'.
 
The worst racists believed Evolution was God, and the worst racists had strong beliefs in Evolution (Hitler for one.)
That is simply not true. When Hitler used the word "evolution" he misused it, much in the same way that people continue to misuse Darwin's theory by claiming that Social Darwinism and Eugenics are based in science.

http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Hitler_and_evolution

While Hitler uses the word "evolution" in Mein Kampf, it is clear that he is not referring to Darwin's theory --- indeed, he never mentions the man. In fact, a look at his writings reveals his sentiments on the subject to be those of an orthodox creationist.

Like a creationist, Hitler asserts fixity of kinds:

The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. i, ch. xi

Like a creationist, Hitler claims that God made man:

For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x

Like a creationist, Hitler affirms that humans existed "from the very beginning", and could not have evolved from apes:

From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)

Like a creationist, Hitler believes that man was made in God's image, and in the expulsion from Eden:

Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. i

Like a creationist, Hitler believes that:

God ... sent [us] into this world with the commission to struggle for our daily bread. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. xiv

Like a creationist, Hitler claims Jesus as his inspiration:

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them. - Adolf Hitler, speech, April 12 1922, published in My New Order

Like a creationist, Hitler despises secular schooling:

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. - Adolf Hitler, Speech, April 26, 1933

Like a creationist, Hitler wished to make prayer compulsory in public schools. Unlike American creationists, he succeeded.

Hitler even goes so far as to claim that Creationism is what sets humans apart from the animals:

The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)

So why does he mention evolution at all? On examination, he is talking of differences within species --- of the "micro-evolution" that creationists profess to believe in:

The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed. (Mein Kampf, vol. i, ch. xi)

So, like a creationist, there is some evolution he is prepared to concede --- evolution within species, which creationists call "microevolution", and which they have no objection to [1]. So it is on the basis of the one part of evolutionary theory which creationists accept that Hitler tried to find a scientific basis for his racism and his program of eugenics.

It is not surprising that Hitler should have found creationist views so attractive. A man who will not admit people of other races to be his brothers is hardly likely to embrace animals of other species as his cousins.
 
Interesting...

You are aware, however, that Hitler's beliefs were a distortion of real Christianity correct? And that Hitler was one of the "Goats" described in John 16.
 
Interesting...

You are aware, however, that Hitler's beliefs were a distortion of real Christianity correct?
You are aware, that your belief in YECism is a distortion of real Christianity as was demonstrated by Plot?

And that Hitler was one of the "Goats" described in John 16.
Did Jesus tell you that?:rolleyes:
If I had to cast him as any biblical entity, it would probably be the 2nd Horseman of the Apocalypse: Hate.
 
You would think if John 16 was describing Hitler it would be more in terms of "It's the austrian with the silly little mustache! His name is Hitler. Don't vote for him!"
 
You are aware, that your belief in YECism is a distortion of real Christianity as was demonstrated by Plot?

Plotinus also stated that Substitutionary Atonement was a distortion of Real Christianity. Frankly, I'm not even going to bother arguing it. I can't manipulate Greek like that, I haven't studied it, but still... I know what the Bible says and I believe every word...

Did Jesus tell you that?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25:31-46&version=NIV

Because, Hitler was the guy giving the thirsty a drink or the hungry food, or visiting the prisoner...

No, he was the one forcing people, millions of them, drink, food, and freedom by locking them up, all without cause.

Don't get me wrong, even Hitler was not beyond Christ's repentence, and I guess you can't totally rule out deathbed conversion (Though considering his death was by suicide, the chance is literally hugging zero), but he was certainly no real Christian in his life...

@ParkCungHee- Except that there were billions more of these goats...
 
Plotinus also stated that Substitutionary Atonement was a distortion of Real Christianity. Frankly, I'm not even going to bother arguing it. I can't manipulate Greek like that, I haven't studied it, but still... I know what the Bible says and I believe every word...
Plot has studied the bible and Christian theology extensively, to the point of writing books on it. How extensive is your study compared to his?

No, he was the one forcing people, millions of them, drink, food, and freedom by locking them up, all without cause.
Doesn't sound like the goats. The goats weren't actively doing anything wrong. They didn't see God in those who they were supposed to help. They weren't persecuting them.
 
Plot has studied the bible and Christian theology extensively, to the point of writing books on it. How extensive is your study compared to his?

At the risk of sounding like a dull record, I know what I believe about the Bible is true because God has told me this is true.

I do not claim to know every point, but I know for a fact that Christ died for my sins, and that its impossible to be a Christian as the Bible describes one if you do not believe this.

Doesn't sound like the goats. The goats weren't actively doing anything wrong. They didn't see God in those who they were supposed to help. They weren't persecuting them.

True, but my point was he wasn't a real Christian, that much is clear.
 
At the risk of sounding like a dull record, I know what I believe about the Bible is true because God has told me this is true.

I do not claim to know every point, but I know for a fact that Christ died for my sins, and that its impossible to be a Christian as the Bible describes one if you do not believe this.



True, but my point was he wasn't a real Christian, that much is clear.
If he believes in the bible, who are you to say he isn't a real Christian? Just as God has spoken to you about YECism, perhaps God spoke to him about genocide. Why should his interpretation be wrong?
 
Because the race the Son of God came from is definitely inferior.
Que?

Also, God can't contradict himself. Your point disproven.
In the OT God struggles to deal with Iron chariots, yet apparently he has the power to create the Earth. Hmmm.
Do I really have to dig out the list of Biblical contraditions again?
 

You claim Christ was not God's Son according to Christianity?

In the OT God struggles to deal with Iron chariots, yet apparently he has the power to create the Earth. Hmmm.
Do I really have to dig out the list of Biblical contraditions again?

I've seen it before. However, its annoying having to go through such a large list. I have answered a few though.

If you have 4-5 you'd really like an answer too, please post them and I'll try.

Also, aren't you a practicing Catholic to some degree? Why would you be one if you think the Bible is so baloney?
 
You claim Christ was not God's Son according to Christianity?
Oh, I misunderstood you.

I've seen it before. However, its annoying having to go through such a large list. I have answered a few though.

If you have 4-5 you'd really like an answer too, please post them and I'll try.
Not really. I'm just pointing out there are contradictions in the bible.

Also, aren't you a practicing Catholic to some degree? Why would you be one if you think the Bible is so baloney?
Yep. But remember, God gave us the ability to percieve the universe and to understand it. Why then should I ignore my god given abilities and believe in a bronze-age mythos that has no bearing on my ultimate salvation?
You yourself have said that you only have to believe in Jesus to receive salvation. Scripture does not say that I have to believe in Humans riding T-Rex's who were vegetarians to be saved.
(I believe that God cares more about your works for ultimate salvation rather then your belief, which is one of the reasons I prefer Catholicism over Protestantism.)
 
Yep. But remember, God gave us the ability to percieve the universe and to understand it. Why then should I ignore my god given abilities and believe in a bronze-age mythos that has no bearing on my ultimate salvation?
You yourself have said that you only have to believe in Jesus to receive salvation. Scripture does not say that I have to believe in Humans riding T-Rex's who were vegetarians to be saved.

That's true, and belief in YEC is mostly irrelevant to Salvation (Adam and Eve's existance on the other hand, while not a Salvation issue, is very, very important to the Bible.)
 
(I believe that God cares more about your works for ultimate salvation rather then your belief, which is one of the reasons I prefer Catholicism over Protestantism.)

I would say that's far more a Protestant thing than a Catholic one - certainly in this country it's far more Anglican than Catholic.
 
I would say that's far more a Protestant thing than a Catholic one - certainly in this country it's far more Anglican than Catholic.
Oh... Anglicans... from a Lutheran perspective that's just a bunch of Catholics without the Pope.;)
 
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