How can you believe in evolution but no social darwinism

[Arakhor]

Right, Celtic Empire. All atheists are racists and no Christians are?

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Right, Celtic Empire. All atheists are racists and no Christians are?

i didn't say that, not all people who claim Christ go to heavan

 

[Arakhor]

You said: "when people stop belaiving in God, instead of there being "a brotherhood of man", people will focus on racial differences".

Please tell me how that should be interpreted, other than "if you don't believe in God, you will become a racist".

 

[Traitorfish]

Yeah, just like assuming the "big bang" actually happened is foolish because even though evidence points to it being the most likely thing to happen, since we're not 100% sure. We shouldn't assume it. Many genecists would disagree with you on your interpretation of Y-Adam and most all would tell you he almost necessarily would have to have more than 2 kids. That is a near-impossibility. Much of science, and especially anthropology of pre-historic societies is based on the assumption of what is most likely to happen. If choice A is 99% likely to happen and choice B is 1% likely to happen, scientists are logically going to assume choice 1 and do subsequent work based on the assumption that choice A is true. Science is based just as much on logical deductions as factual evidence.

One problem: we have no idea what the chances involved are, nor, given that the determination of Y-Adam is not generated by a single individual but by thousands upon thousands of individuals, are those particular chances of much relevance. The creation of Y-Adam is not immediate, but retroactive, something that happens millennia after "Adam" himself is long dead. His own participation is fairly minimal.
Honestly, you attach far too much importance to the notion of Y-Chromosome Adam. His title is one gained through sheer chance, he is not some sort of hypermasculine demigod. Get over it.

No, but supercharning "superior" individuals is good for the species as a whole.

And why would anybody care about the species? You're arguing that humans are, by nature, psychotically individualistic, so why should they pledge their loyalty to such a grand abstract as "species"?

And also fear and subjugation would keep a rigid social structure in order.

Rigid enough for formalised socio-economic classes to emerge in a simple, instant-return hunter-gatherer society? I think you are being overly fanciful.

Dominance and submission is very apparent throughout most species, not just humans. We are not somehow above this rule. When a group of boys get together, there is usually 1 or 2 that become the "alpha" males and the rest of the group follows generally whatever they say. Most humans are sheep that follow with a few who have the personality to lead. That should be pretty apparent in today's society.

Well, the puerile over-simplifications that drip from every single letter of this paragraph aside, that doesn't really answer my question. All you've asserted is that hierarchies naturally form, not that they are unerringly passed down through the generations in the absence of social constructs which assure that they do.

 

[Dachs]

No, he wouldn't.

His sister would, though

 

[illram]

Personally I find an "Idiocracy" type evolution far more likely for our species than any creepy master race social darwinism idea. Case in point: Octomom and John and kate + 8. Being dumb and having too many babies makes you famous.

 

[Verbose]

My grandson through my daughter is my descendant. It doesn't matter that he doesn't have my Y-chromosome, he's still my descendant. In fact, there're decent odds that he has my X-chromosome.

So, no, it's not only his descendants.

This.

To me the mathematics involved seems to indicate some kind of Y-Adam is less a matter of "good genes" than "fluke".

The only reason I can find to think a Y-chromosome Adam special is that one also buys into the very contingent and human-made idea of patrilineal descent being "special", which has little to do with genetics.

 

[Fanatic Noob]

I never liked Darwin, even if he is right. Do not worry, I am Atheist, so I not support creationism. But what if aliens helped to human evolution like Erich Von Däniken says

 

[Mr. Dictator]

I never liked Darwin, even if he is right. Do not worry, I am Atheist, so I not support creationism. But what if aliens helped to human evolution like Erich Von Däniken says

Well then you'd have to explain why you don't subscribe to Social Dänikenism

 

[Fanatic Noob]

But... Where it is?

 

[Murky]

Personally I find an "Idiocracy" type evolution far more likely for our species than any creepy master race social darwinism idea. Case in point: Octomom and John and kate + 8. Being dumb and having too many babies makes you famous.

That doesn't indicate that the kids will be dumb as Idiocracy suggests. Octomom's and Kate's kids are probably going to have some of the best teachers available in private and/or charter school or have private tutors. They are going to get a lot more attention because of their fame. Kate's kids might be slightly better off though because she has more wealth and more brains herself.

 

[Ajidica]

Yeah, but what about all of the people who watch reality TV? Where are we going to get the teachers and private tutors to save them?

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Well, some one has to flip fries and dig ditches.

 

[Traitorfish]

I never liked Darwin, even if he is right. Do not worry, I am Atheist, so I not support creationism. But what if aliens helped to human evolution like Erich Von Däniken says

Actually, that isn't necessarily precluded by Darwinism, it would just be something that needs to be proven independently. Natural selection and guided solution use the same mechanics, the latter just involves someone setting their own conditions for selection; human dog-breeding, for example, is essentially evolution, we just step divert the natural process to our own ends.
After all, even if aliens helped humans evolve, we still have to explain how everything else evolved, and why it is still evolving.

Well, some one has to flip fries and dig ditches.

God invented the Irish for a reason.

 

[Perfection]

I never liked Darwin

Why not?

 

[GoodGame]

So I got a question for everyone who believes in the first but not the second?

Do you really think that evolution just stopped with humans or is it because your social agenda will not allow you to believe in this seemingly cruel concept? Scientifically, human are no different from any other species. Some members of the species are simply superior to others -- there's little argument that can be made against that.

It is actually quite hypocritical to believe in the theory of evolution and believe that all men are born equal -- because according to evolution, they are not.

Because evolution doesn't work like Mendel or the eugenics people wanted you to believe it did. People with a poor grasp of evolution and genetics, basically. But if you read Darwin thoroughly, you'd probably grasp that.

Also all that stuff completely ignores "group selection" or social selection, which is ironic since eugenics/social darwinists in effect are proposing a kind of hostile "group selection" in the name of a poor understanding of evolution. But if you read Darwin thoroughly, then you'd probably have already grasped that.

 

[GhostWriter16]

God invented the Irish for a reason.

You racist!

 

[PredatorFett]

So the left, which respects science isn't about science, where the right, which rejects science, is about science....

How can liberals say that religion and politics should not mix, and say that conservatives "reject science" because of............political views? That makes no sense. Consider that argument ERASED....

 

[Traitorfish]

How can liberals say that religion and politics should not mix, and say that conservatives "reject science" because of............political views? That makes no sense. Consider that argument ERASED....

Because spirituality should be a private matter, while science is by nature public. After all, was your local system built by priests or by engineers?

 

[PredatorFett]

After all, was your local system built by priests or by engineers?

Neither. Unless you consider Zerg drones "engineers". lol, I live on the creep.