How do you end 'cancel culture'?

The implications of that statement on the face of it look pretty heavy. Care to explain why racism is inherently profitable?

What cardgame said. Also American slavery was incredibly profitable for Southerner Aristocrats as it meant that they didn't have to pay their labourers and could work African Americans to death.

The primary reason I hate Capitalism is that the only thing it cares about is profit. It rewards those who can acquire wealth and it turns out that extremely immoral things are often also incredibly profitable. Capitalists have and are making loads of money off of slavery, war, genocide and other horrific crimes against humanity. We need to abolish Capitalism and replace it with something that does not encourage crimes against humanity otherwise this will keep happening.
 
That's pushing things. On a personal level, when topics such as trans rights and anti-racism, I try to make an effort to keep my mouth shut as it has been a frequent call by people who are part of those groups they should be allowed to tell their own story; and also that I, as a middle class straight-presenting white guy doesn't really have any useful thoughts on the issue.
On a corporate level, why should we expect corporations to be some sort of leader in civil rights? I mean, the criticism that certain businesses engage in 'pinkwashing', or "We like the gays, now please ignore our terrible behavior elsewhere" has become increasingly accepted mainstream. I accept this can be a very touchy issue, a friend of mine who is gay and in his 40s is far more accepting of 'pinkwashing' as he has far stronger memories of the casual homophobia that was considered socially acceptable into the 2000s.
Surely you can accept that this area is a lot more complex than "Anybody who is silent supports the status quo".

You gotta understand something though; inaction is in itself an action.

Our rights are incredibly fragile and we can only ever Hope to maintain or strengthen them when everyone is supporting us.

I think it's entirely possible to listen to and acknowledge minorities experiences whilst advocating for them and supporting them without talking over them.
 
What cardgame said. Also American slavery was incredibly profitable for Southerner Aristocrats as it meant that they didn't have to pay their labourers and could work African Americans to death.

The primary reason I hate Capitalism is that the only thing it cares about is profit. It rewards those who can acquire wealth and it turns out that extremely immoral things are often also incredibly profitable. Capitalists have and are making loads of money off of slavery, war, genocide and other horrific crimes against humanity. We need to abolish Capitalism and replace it with something that does not encourage crimes against humanity otherwise this will keep happening.
Nothing is more profitable than crime that is unpunished.

The capitalists have long noted this fact.
 
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II get how you feel but you're giving EE a bit too much benefit of the doubt. Generally people who have avatars that proudly display the Union Jack, an emblem that represents an Empire that was responsible for dozens of genocides and other horrific atrocities around the globe, are not speaking in good faith about issues such as these.

I see that, having lost the intellectual battle on the thread topic here, you seek victory by denigrating my avatar.

The Empire ended before I was born, it's the flag of my country on the gentleman's waistcoat.
 
personally we could always use more denigration of people who are in any way feeling favourable to the British Empire ("cancel", if you will), but that's just one person's opinion
 
I see that, having lost the intellectual battle on the thread topic here, you seek victory by denigrating my avatar.

effing lmao

Can I ask your permission to add this beautiful quote to my signature?
 
personally we could always use more denigration of people who are in any way feeling favourable to the British Empire ("cancel", if you will), but that's just one person's opinion

Your failure to debate the thread topic and summons to fellow thought bubble thinkers to have a go at me based upon my avatar declared identity is noted.
 
How do you define "societal damage"? There's parts of society which deserve to be cast away, but that won't happen without supreme resistance.
 
I get how you feel but you're giving EE a bit too much benefit of the doubt. Generally people who have avatars that proudly display the Union Jack, an emblem that represents an Empire that was responsible for dozens of genocides and other horrific atrocities around the globe, are not speaking in good faith about issues such as these.
Erm... your avatar displays a flag of Japan. Should we make any concusions about your character based on it? :confused:
 
What's the best economic system to create max prosperity (w minimal societal damage)?

That seems a simple question but it is actually quite complicated. But I'll give it my best shot. I'm not an economist or an expert on various things related to this so take my ideas with a grain of salt and I can only talk about this in broad strokes. And because I don't want to be here all day I'm going to simplify a few things.

To understand what would make a good system we first must understand what makes Capitalism unprosperous.

The basis of Capitalism is theft, essentially. Even supposedly mutually beneficial trades are often biased heavily in favour of the wealthier party. The theft takes many forms, the extraction of surplus value from workers (essentially workers will always be paid less than the wealth that they create for their boss because otherwise their boss would not make any money), war, Imperialism...All this creates a funnel that accumulates wealth in an ever exclusive class of people (Capitalists). The proof is in the pudding, ever since Capitalism "won" in the 90s wealth inequality has skyrocketed and is continuing to do so. I would not define a society where the 1% of the 1% live in luxury while the rest struggle to survive as truly prosperous. Prosperity must be enjoyed by all.

There are many other ways that Capitalism destroys global prosperity (probably the most pressing exasperating and being completely unequipped to deal with crises such as climate change and pandemic) but I don't want to be here all day so I won't go into them.

The only people who are truly willing to engage with positive alternatives to Capitalism are on the Left. Centrists and Liberals think that Capitalism can be restrained with simple reforms. It can't. Capitalists will spend an amount equal to or less than the amount of money they lose to any proposed reform to repeal said reform. If a government tax a Capitalist $1,000,000 and then the Capitalist spends $900,000 on "lobbying" (read: bribes) to overturn that tax, then they've effectively made $100,000. So now the government has less money to pay for essential services, which disproportionately impacts the working class. The Far-Right's solution to the ills of Capitalism usually boils down to "lets discriminate heavily against/kill [insert group of people they don't like] and that will fix everything". There are many compelling reasons to not listen to them that I shouldn't have to spell out in detail.

The Left is a broad church that has many differing thoughts and opinions and honestly I'm not entirely sure yet where I slot into it. What I do believe is that we need to redistribute the wealth of the world along more equal lines so that everyone can enjoy the prosperity of humanity. And there needs to be (preferably global) state that is given broad discretion to prevent the reestablishment of Capitalism by molding society in a way that makes it impossible.

As for societal damage...I'm going to assume you mean cost in human lives as that's really the only societal damage I care about. Capitalism already millions yearly through lack of food, water and medicine. We have the capacity to provide everyone with adequate food, water and medicine - it just isn't profitable, so it doesn't happen. I believe that the dissolution of Capitalism and its replacement with a system that actually provides for the needs of its citizenry is the only way to prevent these needless deaths. Whatever struggle that happens with the dismantling of Capitalism I am certain that the result will be less death than what already happens.

Anyway we are getting seriously off-topic here so if you want me to answer any more questions about this topic, start a new thread and ask them there.
 
Erm... your avatar displays a flag of Japan. Should we make any concusions about your character based on it? :confused:

I see that, having lost the intellectual battle on the thread topic here, you seek victory by denigrating my avatar.

EDIT: Memes aside I acknowledge the hypocrisy here. I will have to think about this.
 
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I always think it's an anime drawing of Mario when scrolling by quickly.
It’s almost as old as the Mario series!

So the backstory is there is the Japanese folktale of Momotaro, a boy that is born from a peach. This story was made into an RPG in 1987 called Momotaro Densetsu (桃太郎伝説) which would be translated as “The Legend of Momotaro.”

Momotaro Dentetsu, which came out a year later, is a play on words. Instead of densetsu (伝説) which means legend, they changed it to dentetsu (電鉄), which means electric railway. The board game-style game was a hit, and they've released 22 games in the series over the last 30 years, with another coming out this winter.

The avatar comes from the 12th game in the series, which starts you off in Osaka (as opposed to Tokyo like the other games.)
 
Yes the idea that you can replace 50% of CEOs with women and call it a day is absurd. However, in general the push for diversity in organisations is a good thing. Its similar to the fact that while increasing unionisation in Capitalist businesses won't destroy Capitalism, it is a good thing that improves people's lives.
I don't think that diversity automatically implies accessibility. Increased diversity in elite institutions means improved opportunities for individual members of minority groups who belong to the socioeconomic strata who traditionally staff elite institutions, it does not reliably improve opportunities for the vast majority of those minority groups.

You can't separate individual racial prejudice and institutional racial prejudice from each other. One doesn't exist without the other. Who upholds institutional racial prejudice? Racist individuals who (either consciously or unconsciously) make decisions that furthers and maintains white supremacy. And then people spread racist ideas to their children, (again either consciously or unconsciously) and the cycle continues.

And you're not just making observations, you are proposing a solution ("meeting people with the language that they are comfortable with"). And I strongly disagree with that solution.
I understand that what you describe represents the mainstream progressive consensus, and that most active progressives will understand this sort of implicit nuance. My observation is that most people are not active progressives, and that they will not understand this implicit nuance. Most people use the word "racism" in the colloquial sense of "racial prejudice", and will assume that others do so as well. Using the word "racism" in a more precise technical sense will therefore tend to lead to confusion; at best it will lead to an argument being incompletely understood, at worst it will lead to an argument being misconstrued entirely.

I don't think that preferring clarity over technical precision should be controversial, and I think the fact that it is controversial tends to support the view that many progressives are more concerned with maintaining their status within a subculture than they are with affecting political change.

The Red Scare and "Cancel Culture" are both moral panics in the same way that an elephant and an ant are both animals. While technically true, they are very different creatures and direct comparisons beyond the most base observations are not particularly helpful or informative.
Again, my reference to the Red Scare was only as an example of a moral panic which most posters would be familiar with, to illustrate the dynamics which I am describing. I don't pretend that they are identical.
 
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Oppressed groups should be grateful because white western males are a merciful master, not like those savage nonwhites, comin’ at you live from Modder_Mode. This is their country and Black and queer folks should be happy to get to live in it!

Really shouldn’t be surprising a thread about whinging about “cancel culture” is also turning up fresh western chauvinist takes. I can’t believe this is the only place on the Internet where the white man can speak his mind.

And yet you and others continually fail to demonstrate this apparent oppression....
 
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