how should the US treat illegals

How should we treat them?

  • Let them stay

    Votes: 31 41.9%
  • Deport

    Votes: 28 37.8%
  • Fine them and deport them

    Votes: 12 16.2%
  • Imprisonment

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Total voters
    74
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Render unto Caesar, and all that. (Matthew 22:21)
What about the numerous instances of Jesus defying Jewish law in order to do good?

He was not allowed to work on the sabbath by Jewish Law, yet he defied them.

Jesus said "render unto caesar" because he knew the pharisees were trying to trick him.
 
What about the numerous instances of Jesus defying Jewish law in order to do good?

He was not allowed to work on the sabbath by Jewish Law, yet he defied them.

His entire point in that was that healing people, i.e. doing what God wanted is not really 'work'.

Jesus said "render unto caesar" because he knew the pharisees were trying to trick him.

He also recognized the difference in an earthly kingdom, like Caesers, and a heavenly kingdom, like Gods. Do you?
 
That is a pretty ignorant statement actually. Plumbers and electricians who work the trade for some years can end up owning their own companies, making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. The plumber is considered to make a poor mans attorney wages.

Obviously you only speak of the laborer construction worker, who indeed only makes $8-12/hour and doesn't have much of a chance of rising the ladder...except to the roof maybe.

Construction is actually very lucrative.

~Chris

thank you, and to be excat here i have dabbled in Plumbing, Electric, Concrete, Painting, Roofing, Drywall, framing, and masonry. I would like to actully get my General contrators license one day, so when im not teaching history i can run my own company.
 
I get shocked whenever I hear some Americans' come out so clearly against learning a foreign language. Mexico, much of central and south America are Spanish speaking, not to mention Spain itself. There is no harm in having your children learn another language in school and it certainly doesn't mean that they'll lose their English. These children will simply be in a better position, no matter what they want to do in life, and so many more doors will be open for them, especially if economic development in Latin America and Spain continues.

In Canada, there are some Anglophones who resent having to learn French. However, it's an important part of Canadian culture and is also spoken by a large variety of people. For top government jobs for instance, it's a requirement to be bilingual.

For example, I speak English, German, Russian, need to work more on my French and am currently learning Arabic.

Is there really a reason to be so strongly against bilingual education? Why deny the children of your state such a great opportunity?

there's nothing wrong with offering foreign languages in school or even making kids take a foreign language, but requiring Spanish to be taken or teaching classes in English and Spanish is ridiculous. This is America, where the primary language is English, and although learning another language is a valuable skill, forcing kids to learn Spanish because of all the illegals or allowing illegal children to go to school and not learn English is not just and not American.
 
there's nothing wrong with offering foreign languages in school or even making kids take a foreign language, but requiring Spanish to be taken or teaching classes in English and Spanish is ridiculous. This is America, where the primary language is English, and although learning another language is a valuable skill, forcing kids to learn Spanish because of all the illegals or allowing illegal children to go to school and not learn English is not just and not American.
I don't think America has ever officially adopted an "official language" or religion or any of the sort. English is just most widely spoken.

Frankly I don't see the problem here... how could learning a new language be bad?
 
I demand a 'Fine them and let them stay' option!
 
I don't think America has ever officially adopted an "official language" or religion or any of the sort. English is just most widely spoken.

Frankly I don't see the problem here... how could learning a new language be bad?

It's not bad, but it shouldn't be required. I wouldn't classify community service as bad either, but it shouldn't be required of people.

btw, if people are so for bilingualism, then shouldn't the illegals be learning English to go with their Spanish?
 
It's not bad, but it shouldn't be required. I wouldn't classify community service as bad either, but it shouldn't be required of people.

btw, if people are so for bilingualism, then shouldn't the illegals be learning English to go with their Spanish?
I guess it's just my preferences vs. yours now. I would love to have learned Spanish 1st grade and up, but I guess you won't be as fond as that.

If illegals go to public schools they should learn English, no doubt, not if they migrate in at forty-five and all they can really do for the rest of their lives is build houses, so...
 
It's not bad, but it shouldn't be required. I wouldn't classify community service as bad either, but it shouldn't be required of people.

btw, if people are so for bilingualism, then shouldn't the illegals be learning English to go with their Spanish?

Try calling them immigrants not illegals.

Besides, in bilingual programs, immigrants do learn English.
 
I guess it's just my preferences vs. yours now. I would love to have learned Spanish 1st grade and up, but I guess you won't be as fond as that.

If illegals go to public schools they should learn English, no doubt, not if they migrate in at forty-five and all they can really do for the rest of their lives is build houses, so...

hey don't get me wrong, i took French from 3rd through 7th grade, and I'm now in my 3rd year of Latin. But if my school said everyone has to learn Spanish because of an influx of Spanish speaking students who don't know English, then i'd be pissed.

Try calling them immigrants not illegals.

Besides, in bilingual programs, immigrants do learn English.

the issue at hand is illegal immigrants, not legal immigrants. I have great respect for legal immigrants and think they're vital to our society and economy. Illegal immigrants are a cancer on society.
 
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