[RD] I'm transitioning. If you've ever been confused about the T in LGBT, ask me anything

If it can help you... maybe not on the same level of intensity, but it's a feeling that is common to many people who are at a hard time in their life.

The feeling that you're a failure, and you look at others and see "they manage, so it's me who is the problem, and I'll never be able to get out of it". And you might know in your head that you could solve the problem, but what you feel is like a hundred-meter high wall of steel which close your horizon and that you'll never be able to climb it or tear through it.

Yeah, you hit on the nail, actually. Thats what I feel; just a sense of inadequacy that I am unable to do things I know I should be able, just so afraid of failing that I don't even try, and just the sheer insurmomtableness of the problem I am dealing with.

It's not even necessarily depression. It's hopelessness, and it sucks your energy and you ends up mopping up in your room/house/flat and you don't feel like doing anything and it all only ends up cutting you from the rest of the world and making the matter worse.

Well, it is depression. Dysphoric depression, to be exact. Hopelessness might be part of it, but there is an element to depression to it that is undeniable.

If all this sounds like what you're living right now, then take hope and courage knowing it's something a lot of persons go through - not necessarily for the same reasons, but with the same general perception. Not going to make the empty claim "just fight it and you'll magically goes better", but at least providing a light of hope that yeah it's relatively common, so you can take heart knowing it's totally possible to go through it, even if it's long and painful.

I will say this does make me feel better than being lectured like Owen was doing, for instance. Less so the idea that other people are going through it, but more the whole listening to what I have to say and what not. I really dont know how to describe it, but I just feel more... appreciated than looked down upon?

Very sorry if this had been posted before, but I would really love if people would discuss this:

http://www.advocate.com/transgender...ame-behind-their-fight-against-gender-transit

This person, Mark Angelo Cummings, used to a pro-trans activist, popular on social media.

He even posted on Civfanatics, this specific thread has also been posted ITT before:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=199662

It seems now that he has changed his opinion. Me personally I think what he is saying in his article is a bunch of horse manure, especially the part of "the gender you were born with is your true gender". It seems very arbitrary to me.

I would especially love if some of the people during/after their transition ITT could share their thoughts about this "article".

In addition to what dusters and NinjaCow said, which I fully concour, he and wife seems like a massive hypocrite to me. They still live as the genders they wanted to transisition towards, and continue to identify as being not cisgender, which runs contrary to their premise that people should identify as the gender they are born as. Hell, he even insists the journalist still call him a he! If we are to take their argument at face value, bkth him and his wife should have detransistioned back to their gender at birth, and live their lives as that gender. Otherwise, as NC said, jts estensially one big game of "screw you I have mine".
 
Yeah, you hit on the nail, actually. Thats what I feel; just a sense of inadequacy that I am unable to do things I know I should be able, just so afraid of failing that I don't even try, and just the sheer insurmomtableness of the problem I am dealing with.

Well, it is depression. Dysphoric depression, to be exact. Hopelessness might be part of it, but there is an element to depression to it that is undeniable.
Well, I don't know about that. I know the feeling of hopelessness and inadequacy and the impression that there is two rulesets for the world, one for me and one for everyone else, but obviously it came from very different reasons than yours. So I can share how I felt, but I can't share the root causes ^^
I will say this does make me feel better than being lectured like Owen was doing, for instance. Less so the idea that other people are going through it, but more the whole listening to what I have to say and what not. I really dont know how to describe it, but I just feel more... appreciated than looked down upon?
Again, I can only speak about how I see things from my point of view, but I'd say I definitely feel better when I know others are going through the same hardship than me (regardless of what are said hardship).
Not that I'm happy for people to endure harship, of course, but it makes these difficulties a lot more "normal", and as such not so unsurmountable. Suddendly it's not "me" the problem, it's a problem that plenty of people have, so okay, it's a regular problem and so it becomes a lot less intimidating.
 
But in general, I feel like youre being a bit... patronizing? Its easy to tell someone to just smile and try harder and all that jazz, but you dont have to live through the failures and consequences of who youre lecturing too. 19 years everyone and their mother has said estensially what you did at some point, but guess what? It doesnt get better! Life never gets any better! Its just as much as a crapfest as it was in high school, as it was in middle, etc. I have lived anywhere from 1/4-1/5 of my entire life and I hate it. Its high time to realize that its just never going to get better, and that giving up isnt the easy way out; its the only way out. And I want out.

Saying that you've been miserable your whole life and therefore you are probably going to be miserable forever isn't actually valid reasoning. Almost everybody at your age is going to be dead wrong about how their life will go. There's no one formula for getting out from where you are, but people do it all the time.

Although I suppose it's possible that you're saying that your life is hopeless simply to validate your feelings of hopelessness, in which case I likely won't be able to convince you of anything. That's what we call a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Again, its easy to say that when your cisgender and dont have to worry if people see you how you want to be seen. Being trans is estensially one big game of charades, trying to get everyone to see me for who I am, because my body betrays it in every way, and people are shallow jerks who only look skin deep. Of course other peoples approval is entirely dependent on it succeeding or not, because its on them to have me be seen who I want to be seen as by them. So its a bit more complex than just "be who you want to be", ok?

Is there some reason you can't spend your time around trans-friendly people? I would also go nuts if I had to live among people who didn't accept my core beliefs or identity. Even if you were a complete outcast from society, it's better to be ostracized together than ostracized alone.

I'm sorry if that comes off as patronizing to you. It probably is. I don't know of any more sensitive way to give advice.
 
Well, I don't know about that. I know the feeling of hopelessness and inadequacy and the impression that there is two rulesets for the world, one for me and one for everyone else, but obviously it came from very different reasons than yours. So I can share how I felt, but I can't share the root causes ^^

Again, I can only speak about how I see things from my point of view, but I'd say I definitely feel better when I know others are going through the same hardship than me (regardless of what are said hardship).
Not that I'm happy for people to endure harship, of course, but it makes these difficulties a lot more "normal", and as such not so unsurmountable. Suddendly it's not "me" the problem, it's a problem that plenty of people have, so okay, it's a regular problem and so it becomes a lot less intimidating.

Fair enough, Akka. I understand what you mean; finding out that others have gone through what you are going through makes you feel like less than an anomly. Unfortunately, I don't really share that same kind of need for solidarity? IDK, might just be my aspbergers here, but I don't really care about what is going on with random Bob or Alice; they dont really mean much to anything to me. I mean, I care a lot when my kwn friends get depressed, but that just makes me feel worse about myself (failed as a friend), not better.

Not trying to say that I am unempathitic by any means (I hate seeing others in pain and I try to help when I can), but blarg I think trying to explain why I feel this way is just putting a foot in my mouth.

Protip: "I dont know about that" is really poor phrasing. I initially took it as you trying to deny that I was going through dysphoria at all. Rest of your comment gave enough context to show that I was mistaken, but it put me on the defensive for a bIt.

Saying that you've been miserable your whole life and therefore you are probably going to be miserable forever isn't actually valid reasoning. Almost everybody at your age is going to be dead wrong about how their life will go. There's no one formula for getting out from where you are, but people do it all the time.

Although I suppose it's possible that you're saying that your life is hopeless simply to validate your feelings of hopelessness, in which case I likely won't be able to convince you of anything. That's what we call a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I don't see this as an example of invalid reasoning. If you hate a movie 1/4th way in, and I mean absolutely loathe it, I don't find it unreasonable if the person just stopped watching the film right then and there and just do something else. If anything, I would consider the opposite an example of the sunk cost fallacy; if the film has demonstrated a consistient and universial lack of quality, there is no reason to press on except because you are already invested with the cost of the ticket and/or the thirty minutes you initially put in to see the first 1/4th.

Likewise, the idea that my life will suddenly pick up in quality after consistient demonstration that it won't seems like I am sticking with a grander sunk cost fallacy. Is it rational to endure more pain and misery to aimlessly hope that things get better, with no garuntee that it will and all evidence pointing to the contrary? Or is it better to just realized that life simply just isnt for me, and that I should "cash out" on my invested woes before they even get worse? Once I die, there will be no more pain, no more misery, no more dysphoria over gender, just endless nothing. Honestly, the latter sounds more rational to me.

Yet it is the crulest irony that the one thing humans are coded for, above all else, is survival. There is something preventing me from just accepting death, a primal instinct to live despite having given up on all hopes on life. And like everything else I have described, no matter how hard I try, I can not seem to rebel against that instinct. Every time I try, I get too afraid of failing, or just pause, and I just don't cross the line. And it just frusterates me further.

Perhaps that is the true self fufilling prophecy. Stuck in an endless loop, like an organic computer.

Is there some reason you can't spend your time around trans-friendly people? I would also go nuts if I had to live among people who didn't accept my core beliefs or identity. Even if you were a complete outcast from society, it's better to be ostracized together than ostracized alone.

I'm sorry if that comes off as patronizing to you. It probably is. I don't know of any more sensitive way to give advice.

I think you misunderstand the context of that rant. My circle of friends, both on and offline, are trans friendly, and I do love them dearly. But, they are just a small sample of society as a whole. In this specific example, that is the student body of my university. Since I am not God, or at least the Dean of Admissions, I don't get to choose who makes up the people I am forced to interact with as classmates or walking on campus. Which means, like it or not, if I want to be seen as female by society (I do), I have to put up with their expectations of what female is. Its not as simple as "I want to be a girl now, so everyone treat me as such". I still get as IDed as a man, called he, still have people disbelieve me that my name is Megan (now that I am using it full time on campus), etc. Without hormones, my body will simply always betray who I am i will always read "male", because I am six feet, no boobs, male tetitary sexual features, etc, etc, etc.

People are shallow. They only look skin deep. And I don't even nessecairly blame them; there are so few trans people in the world that it is safe to assume that everyone is cis until there is evidence otherwise. But I can't articulate how much it kills me inside regardless. People see me as male, and I will be male to them for the near future no matter how much I want to be seen otherwise.
 
I don't see this as an example of invalid reasoning. If you hate a movie 1/4th way in, and I mean absolutely loathe it, I don't find it unreasonable if the person just stopped watching the film right then and there and just do something else.

No, the quality of a movie isn't fat-tailed. The script/acting/story are created by the same person or team at one point in time, and movies are designed to have the same tone throughout. If you get a quarter of the way through one, it is indeed reasonable to expect the rest of the film to be more of the same. That's not how life works.

If anything, I would consider the opposite an example of the sunk cost fallacy; if the film has demonstrated a consistient and universial lack of quality, there is no reason to press on except because you are already invested with the cost of the ticket and/or the thirty minutes you initially put in to see the first 1/4th.

You're putting words in my mouth. I certainly don't justify your continuing to live with the fact that you've already lived for a while.

Likewise, the idea that my life will suddenly pick up in quality after consistient demonstration that it won't seems like I am sticking with a grander sunk cost fallacy. Is it rational to endure more pain and misery to aimlessly hope that things get better, with no garuntee that it will and all evidence pointing to the contrary? Or is it better to just realized that life simply just isnt for me, and that I should "cash out" on my invested woes before they even get worse? Once I die, there will be no more pain, no more misery, no more dysphoria over gender, just endless nothing. Honestly, the latter sounds more rational to me.

Yet it is the crulest irony that the one thing humans are coded for, above all else, is survival. There is something preventing me from just accepting death, a primal instinct to live despite having given up on all hopes on life. And like everything else I have described, no matter how hard I try, I can not seem to rebel against that instinct. Every time I try, I get too afraid of failing, or just pause, and I just don't cross the line. And it just frusterates me further.

Perhaps that is the true self fufilling prophecy. Stuck in an endless loop, like an organic computer.

This is a cry for help, not an argument. I know it's condescending to hear happier people telling you that things have to get better, or reminding you of the pain your loved ones will feel if you die as if it never occurred to you, or that other people have it worse. You're angry that you're locked out of how everybody else lives, so it feels right to lash out even though you don't actually want to let go of life.

I'm not saying that you are a magical, special person who everybody really loves and that you are destined to find happiness with whatever you decide to be. I'm just saying that, on balance, your odds of getting out of the crap pit are good. And they're improved by realizing this.

I think you misunderstand the context of that rant. My circle of friends, both on and offline, are trans friendly, and I do love them dearly. But, they are just a small sample of society as a whole. In this specific example, that is the student body of my university. Since I am not God, or at least the Dean of Admissions, I don't get to choose who makes up the people I am forced to interact with as classmates or walking on campus. Which means, like it or not, if I want to be seen as female by society (I do), I have to put up with their expectations of what female is. Its not as simple as "I want to be a girl now, so everyone treat me as such". I still get as IDed as a man, called he, still have people disbelieve me that my name is Megan (now that I am using it full time on campus), etc. Without hormones, my body will simply always betray who I am i will always read "male", because I am six feet, no boobs, male tetitary sexual features, etc, etc, etc.

I'm afraid I can't give you advice here since I never got the hang of school myself. But I assume that you don't want to spend the rest of your life at your university. I think you should take heart in the fact that you will reach an endpoint after which you will have complete freedom to choose your social group.

People are shallow. They only look skin deep. And I don't even nessecairly blame them; there are so few trans people in the world that it is safe to assume that everyone is cis until there is evidence otherwise. But I can't articulate how much it kills me inside regardless. People see me as male, and I will be male to them for the near future no matter how much I want to be seen otherwise.

Well, wear something overtly feminine. Throw your identity in their face and force them to judge. You might find forcing people to choose whether they accept you or not to be more bearable than just having them be confused.

Or do something weird. Just break the script somehow.

(A side note: if you don't have anything signifying your femininity at a glance, it's psychologically impossible for others to identify you as a female regardless of their beliefs.)
 
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Does spiro really make you crave pickles? Pickles are disgusting.

It's a diuretic and it dehydrates me. I think pickle cravings are what people who like pickles get when they're dehydrated.
 
I never had spiro (outside of my daily Agnew doses when reading Fear Loathing and Gumbo), but I do like pickles. I will see where this goes in the upcoming future.

I have two major updates, one that actually happened and one which is theoretical in the future but I am cautiously optimistic for.

Firstly, I was down at the Women's March in DC on the 21st, explicitly to represent transwomen and trans issues. It was the first time I ever presented myself female outside of my campus, and that was a really interesting experience. I think the scariest part of it all wasnt when I was even down in DC (there was so many allies down there. From what I heard, there was at least 500k people there, and perhaps even 750k), but when we stopped to use the restroom on the way there. I had to pee and I didnt know which bathroom to use, so I panicked and ended up going in the men's because I guess I wasnt that brave yet. I did get stared at but nothing happened besides the most awkward piss I have ever taken in my life.

The sign I had was really cool. I have a picture, which I'll post:

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Its the trans flag mixed with the gadsen flag. You can tell it was made by me because I am the worst artist to ever art the homemade quality. I think I got a positive reception carrying that around; my own group loved it, and I definitely got some positive response by people I never met before. One girl did look at me kind of funny though. Don't know what was her problem?

I did get misgendered a lot, which dissapointed me. I mean, I could understand maybe thinking a cismale might have been wearing women's clothing out of solidarity with women, but I was carrying a visible trans flag around. What the hell. Do I need to be visabily wearing a shirt that says "I'm trans you bleeding idiot, TRANS"? Most of my interactions were really too short to correct anyone, so all I could do is silently rage, but silently rage I did.

Not sure if talking about my general thoughts on the march would be off-topic or not, but at the very least, despite what I said above, I am really glad I went, and I'd do it again. I felt like I was a part of a genuine historical moment, one that will be in the textbooks in future generations.

The hypothetical event in the future is that, tentatively, I might (and I must stress the might) be starting the process to transition again over the summer. My mom dropped a bit of a bombshell right as I was leaving for college that she was considering helping me pay for it over the summer. It is not a confirmed thing, it was only from my mom, who explicitly said she hasnt talked to dad about it and all three of us would need to at some point. But i am definitely cautiously optimistic.
 
Okay. An actual legitimate question I can ask in this thread. What is spiro?
 
Okay. An actual legitimate question I can ask in this thread. What is spiro?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spironolactone

the article said:
Transgender hormone therapy
Spironolactone is frequently used as a component of hormone replacement therapy in transgender women, especially in the United States (where cyproterone acetate is not available), usually in addition to an estrogen.[28][29][30] Spironolactone significantly depresses plasma testosterone levels, reducing them to female/castrate levels at sufficient doses and in combination with estrogen. The clinical response consists of, among other effects, decreased male pattern body hair, the induction of breast development, feminization in general, and lack of spontaneous erections.[30]
 
Okay. An actual legitimate question I can ask in this thread. What is spiro?

Spiro T. Agnew is the 39th vice president of the United states, best known for his political corruption and unique speaking style

Spiro (short for Spironolactone) is a chemical used for hormone therapy in transwomen. It supresses the production of androgens, so that estrogens are free to work in the body.

It's chemical formula is C24H32O4S for any STEM nerds reading this
 
Ah, the image was broken when I looked in this thread before. Awesome sign though.
 
Maybe people didn't understand the flag. I mean I didn't know there was a trans flag and definitely wouldn't have been able to identify it.
 
Maybe people didn't understand the flag. I mean I didn't know there was a trans flag and definitely wouldn't have been able to identify it.

Um, a lot of people had signs with the trans flag on it. Its not exactly an obscure symbol, tbh. Is it possible some might not know what it means? I guess. But I am sure there are some people in Africa who never seen an American flag, but that doesnt change that its still an immediate symbol of America. There is a point where you cant reasonably blame the messanger for bad communication, and I think this is one of them. Again, what the hell am I supposed to do if the universal symbol of transgenderism still gets people to misgender me. That is honestly on them at this point. Ive done all I could reasonably do to broadcast my gender.

In more happy news, when I was going back to the dorm from the dining hall today, a guy stopped me to compliment on my hair. It was the first time a stranger went out of their way to compliment me on my feminine apperance, and it really made me feel good about myself ^_^
 
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tbh I had no idea that the rainbow Gasden Flag was associated with the transgender community specifically.
 
tbh I had no idea that the rainbow Gasden Flag was associated with the transgender community specifically.

It's not. The blue / pink / white is us.
 
Ah, a combination of me scrolling quickly and slight colorblindness made me think it was rainbow
 
I never heard that there was such a flag until you mentioned carrying one. Maybe if people make mistakes, you could take the opportunity to politely correct them and explain about the flag, instead of just getting angry?

Well now you know why my signature is the way it is :p

As I said, the interactions I had with those strangers were really brief, mostly involving one of us trying to get by the other or something. I didnt have time to polietly correct or get angry and yelling at them. Most of the time, I didnt even realize it until after the fact!

About the only time I realized I was being misgendered and could actually do anything about is when I was kind of excluded from a group interview from some guy with a HBO camera on why women were marching. It wasn't anything explicit, its just that the circle formed and I was just kind of excluded from it. And you know what I did? I just listened because I didnt want to create a scene and the awnsers from some mother/daughter pair was actually pretty interesting.

Plus I'm not sure i even wanted to be interviewed in the first place. I have major image issues with myself; I couldnt finish watching our group's video because looking at myself made me want to die and I couldnt not look at myself. :/

tbh I had no idea that the rainbow Gasden Flag was associated with the transgender community specifically.

No, its not the gadsen flag that makes it the trans flag. It's not even a rainbow flag.

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Blue pink white pink blue. Represents the way some of us try to go pink to blue and some of us goes blue to pink, and the white is for intersex/genderqueer people who don't fit the binary.

And I see I was ninja'd there
 
Um, a lot of people had signs with the trans flag on it. Its not exactly an obscure symbol, tbh. Is it possible some might not know what it means? I guess. But I am sure there are some people in Africa who never seen an American flag, but that doesnt change that its still an immediate symbol of America. There is a point where you cant reasonably blame the messanger for bad communication, and I think this is one of them. Again, what the hell am I supposed to do if the universal symbol of transgenderism still gets people to misgender me. That is honestly on them at this point. Ive done all I could reasonably do to broadcast my gender.

In more happy news, when I was going back to the dorm from the dining hall today, a guy stopped me to compliment on my hair. It was the first time a stranger went out of their way to compliment me on my feminine apperance, and it really made me feel good about myself ^_^

Two of us responding didn't even know such a flag existed and none of us responding could identify it so I think it's still not very well known let alone universal.
 
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