[RD] I'm transitioning. If you've ever been confused about the T in LGBT, ask me anything

This is exactly the kind of prickish reply that made me very reluctant to even ask the question in the first place. It was absolutely inevitable that certain types of people would immediately get their backs up. But it was something I didn't understand and if you don't ask, you don't find out. But yes, well done for being so cool and awesome and open about it. Utter bellend.

??? I have no idea what you’re talking about, I was asking a question about walking through walls. There is no need for you to personally attack me in this thread that is not about that, which I think may count as going off topic?

The only person I can tell being offended is someone who chooses to take offense at posts that have nothing to do with them. Anyone in that frame of mind should take a step back, go outside for a bit, maybe take a shower, and come back with a more positive mindset. Just a bit of hypothetical personal advice. I’m sorry if you thought you were being attacked but that’s an unreasonable thought.


In order to remain on topic since unfortunately some members of this thread like to derail I have another question for the CFC transgender witch coven. Is it true that Englishmen stewed in witch’s brew are considered a delicacy? I always heard that but I can’t imagine it would be true, far too much gristle.
 
'Passing' is not limited to gender identification, either. There is racial identification to be considered.

African-African woman were required to straightened their naturally curly hair with a hot comb to be accepted or 'passing' in predominately white populated workspaces.

There are many more examples but that's one social norm that historically stands out in my mind.
 
Is it true that Englishmen stewed in witch’s brew are considered a delicacy? I always heard that but I can’t imagine it would be true, far too much gristle.

Only BBC news and current affair staff, I'm afraid.

That's why the BBC has now banned them from attending any events involving "the trans issue" (their phrasing, not mine).
 
Best practice, I think, would be to consistently use their name in the classroom, of course, and just ignore their deadname. But if it is possible to influence the technical side of it (it sounds like the 'official names' are put up by school administration?), I would recommend that you pressure them to resolve this, if you could. If it is really a purely technical issue with Microsoft Teams (sidenote: I have never used said program), is it possible to register alternative accounts with their actual names and admit them in your classroom?
I've asked about the possibility of getting their names changed and been told that it is not possible. Clearly it is possible somehow, but whether the people with the authority to change the rules will be willing to do so is another story. Especially since pretty much everyone is hoping the pandemic is over soon and we can quit using Teams, which stinks for teaching. I can try, anyway.

I don't know if students could get in with other accounts. Maybe I can look into that, too. Thanks for the idea.
 
If that fails, is it possible to switch to a different platform, or it's not something possible? Also, always.
 
.....Some of us are tall, some of us have no hips, some of us have excessive body hair and even facial hair. Some of us are flat-chested, some of us don't menstruate, some have husky voices or giant chins. And on and on.
and some of you can never have children. seems to me, if she is "using" you validate herself it is her problem, but have you considered your taking offense (feeling used) to her actions as a narcissistic defense of superiority because you can have children and you are being unconsciously inconsiderate to the fact that she cannot? wouldn’t it be totally natural for a woman to want to bear children? if you do consider her a "friend", one consideration is to get off your high horse and reach out to her. at some point, you might ask her if she ever wanted to have kids......if her response is a defensive NO!, you have a clue as to why she is having difficulty in the friendship
 
Without agreeing with the tone of the above post...

I do have to agree that the whole "not all women can have children" thing is more complex than just "trans women buying into a male ideal of women". While it's certainly true not all women can have children, it's also a source of considerable anguish for many, many, many cis women. Trans women are not especially different.

It can be considered a form of disability, and being placed before stark reminders of your disability and the limitations that come with it, of how non-disabled folks can do things you cannot, has very strong potential for hurt.
 
Without agreeing with the tone of the above post...

I do have to agree that the whole "not all women can have children" thing is more complex than just "trans women buying into a male ideal of women". While it's certainly true not all women can have children, it's also a source of considerable anguish for many, many, many cis women. Trans women are not especially different.

It can be considered a form of disability, and being placed before stark reminders of your disability and the limitations that come with it, of how non-disabled folks can do things you cannot, has very strong potential for hurt.

well yes, which is why Mary should consider whether she is being the jerk in this situation. Mary seems to be questioning her friend "using" her to validate her "womanhood" (why? just because she is trans?). Did Mary consider that her friend may be feeling hurt because she can't bear children? JUST like MANY, MANY, MANY cis women?
 
Uhm, Mary gave a fairly good look at the reason for her disquiet. She might not be right about her conclusions, but they're not random guesses either.
 
Uhm, Mary gave a fairly good look at the reason for her disquiet. She might not be right about her conclusions, but they're not random guesses either.
well yes, that chick may be a total ahole but Mary can't really do much about that, just explore why it is that she feels "used" and assure herself that at least tried to be a good friend
 
I am not interested in your ignorant mansplaining opinions. I was asking the transgender community here their perspective on what she might be feeling and doing, by explaining how I've seen things from my end.

To clarify further (to the people I'm actually asking advice from): this is not the first time this has happened. Whenever I had something I wanted to talk about, either good or bad, she would either change the subject to something about herself if she could, or she would just ignore me for a little while and then come back with her own issue. I would get frustrated that she seemed she didn't care about me, but I cared about her and would listen. The difference with this time is that it's been longer, and also I'm growing exhausted by it.
 
[My apologies for the somewhat belated response. I was mulling over how to answer this for a bit, so here we go.]

Thanks. It's hard, and I feel really hurt, but I also don't want to hurt her. I have an unfortunate tendency to let myself be used.

This made me think of another question though, something she would talk about a lot, and that's the concept of "passing." This is something I really have a lot of difficulty understanding, and it's almost certainly because I don't know what it's like being on the receiving end of that sort of prejudice.

The best way I would describe 'passing' is that it is an issue of (self-)perception. It is not just wanting society to see you as the gender expression that you desire, but also, that you believe that you are expressing yourself in what feels an authentic way. Passing, as someone has already mentioned, is complicated when it comes to non-white people, as patriarchal standards tend to be based on lithe, white women, and so especially African-American women are seen as exceptionally masculine/not feminine. So much for misgendering being a whole lot of nothing.

But a lot of things she said, made me feel like she wasn't trying to pass as a real woman, but rather was trying to pass as a man's image of what an ideal woman should be, if I'm making sense? This really bothered me a lot, because women come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances. We don't all have hourglass figures, melodic voices, gorgeous lashes, full boobs, etc. Some of us are tall, some of us have no hips, some of us have excessive body hair and even facial hair. Some of us are flat-chested, some of us don't menstruate, some have husky voices or giant chins. And on and on.

I get she wants to be beautiful, I totally feel that. I feel like it just really, really bothered me to keep hearing that to be a woman, you have to be some kind of sexualized ideal. Honestly, the way I heard her (and other transwomen online) talk about it was probably the most male-ish thing, and made me really uncomfortable.

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on what I'm sure is a very complex issue. I'm sorry if I seem insensitive, I'm just trying to offer my point of view as a ciswoman.

So, this is where we get to the meat of the issue with regards to 'passing'. In an ideal world, passing would be totally and completely unnecessary and unneeded. This isn't an ideal world, of course. The issues are, at least with regards to transwomen, are the following:

One, the aforementioned patriarchal standards, you listed some of them, are ingrained deep into the structure of it. It is unlikely that they will be going away anytime soon. Two, and more importantly, transwomen - and we got to face it - were socialised as men, unless they were very lucky, and were able to transition before puberty. No amount of looking for the mystical "trans" essence will change that. This socialisation means that they come with the ideas of the patriarchy of What It Is To Be/Look Like A Woman, without, well, actually experiencing what it is to be a ciswoman. This is natural, but it has very irky results, one of which you have described: creating an idealized - even fetishised object - of a Woman, for the most part, is rather rare. Which has a rather negative impact both on the transwoman's self-perception (causing dysphoria over a standard that may very well be impossible to attain), or by souring relations with ciswomen, all things that are undesirable.

The way out, if I must be frank, is the end of patriarchy, but that's a cop-out answer, I'm well-aware. No, what is needed is more self-awareness and critiquing of oneself's perceptions that may be created by outside structures. Transwomen (and trans people in general) can't really actually win acceptance if they are endlessly chasing after the approval of patriarchal standards/institutions, only by transcending (heh) and creating our new identies that go beyond that.

I'm somewhat repeating others here, but I hope this helps.
 
Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate the effort and thought you put into that. You've given me a lot to think about that I hadn't considered before, I really appreciate it :)
 
I am more than happy to answer good faith questions on this thread, as there exist a lot of misunderstandings about trans people, even amongst people with good intentions. For the record, if this is anything to you, I am non-binary, and not a transwoman.
 
I am not interested in your ignorant mansplaining opinions. I was asking the transgender community here their perspective on what she might be feeling and doing, by explaining how I've seen things from my end.
.....change the subject to something about herself..... come back with her own issue...... seemed she didn't care about me.....
how I've seen things from my end? who would do these things to you Mary? would you be upset if she rather play basketball than bake cookies?
 
Because Mary never, ever directly said that her pregnancy is what caused the cutting off the contact - only that it ocurred then. This is something you asserted. It is mostly unsupported from what Mary has shared with us. This has gone on for long enough, and I would appreciate if you cease with this line of inquiry.
 
Moderator Action: May I remind people that this is a thread where people who don't know things or are curious ask respectful questions and get respectful answers from the transgender community. It is not a place to spout off opinions on subjects that a person clearly has no knowledge of. This is a good, informative thread, but it has had some problems lately with some of you being disrespectful to each other, whether you are transgender or cisgender or any of the other variations on human sexuality.

Well intentioned questions from those not in the know should be answered by the transgender persons in the thread, but the transgender people need to realize that some of the questions that I have seen recently and have been met with snark look like well intentioned questions from people who either do not know the answer and are curious, or they do not know how to ask the question diplomatically. Replying with a snarky post serves no one, no matter what side of the question you are on. For our non transgender posters: if you feel the need to chime in with an explanation of sorts, try not to, or keep it civil if you do. Remember that this is an area that you likely know nothing about and you are likely to offend someone.

Let's keep this productive and informative. Be civil, or don't post in the thread, and that applies to everyone. Thank you.
 
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Just fyi Lemon Merchant - generally speaking it's preferable to use cisgender and transgender, not cisgendered or transgendered. The way I see it, this is because generally cis/transgender is something you are, it's a descriptor of your identity (as it uses the noun, gender, which is, well, your gender), whereas cis/transgendered implies something that is done to you, a reflection of what the world chose to view in you (as it uses the verb gendering, ie, to attribute a gender to someone-something).
 
My mistake. Sorry. I did not mean to offend.

I've edited my mod text. Thank you for correcting me.
 
No worries. There was no real offense, just a piece of information that I felt you (and others reading this thread) might find worthwhile!
 
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