In the Shadow of Rome

[Warman17]

General Statement made by the Foreign Secretary of the Republic of New England:

"It has come to a course in human events where it is possible for war to exist on a global scale. As such we see it necessisary to remind all powers from small to great to remember that with power comes responsibility. Responsibility for the lives of millions, who are the ones who will bear the brunt of any possible war between the two set camps in today's rapidly polarizing world.

As such the Republic of New England would like to agree that France should be split between north and south, much as America has been, in order to preserve peace and ensure stability there must be an establishment of self-determination in France. The people of France are the deciders of their own fate, and geography has made it so the nation's people have tragically been split in half in thought of governance.

As such I would like once again to call for an end to hostilities in the region in order to restablish the balance of power in the region, and yes in the entire world."

 

[The Farow]

Germany regards a split in France a wrong move. It will lead to decades of hate and mistrust amongst countrymen. The Germans wish for all powers to remain completely neutral in the civil war and let it run its course. The victors can decide what they do to France following the civil war.

The problem is not that France is in a civil war it is that countries around the world have are deciding the fate of the nation without their take on it. No Frenchmen wants their nation divided by foriegn powers.

These people are fighting for their beliefs and one ideology will emerge victorious in the end. Civil war will lead to death in France but the people of that nation make the choice of fighting. They will lay down their arms when they feel they have lost.

Civil war is a terrible time in a nation's history but all nations should be allowed to fight their internal problems.


OCC: Did anyone read das's post? The situation in France is a lot more confusing then displayed. A imaginary line drawn across the nation will not lead to peace. The governments of both sides will have to deal with insurgencies of people trapped with the wrong ideology.

 

[Swissempire]

Orders sent

Wubba, you best be givin me them airplanes

 

[The Farow]

I would send orders but I would like to know how my allies are handling France before I do.

 

[Sheep]

The USER notes wha the German government is trying to say but the simple fact belies the truth. If you allow the civil war to continue not only will it be a humanitarian disaster unlike that we have seen in recent times but it will not lead to peace as the side who loses will continue to fight regardless. The only way for a peace to ensure that this civil war does not break forth into a world war will be to allow for the partion to take place.

Russia has already publicly stated that it will back the fascist forces of northern Fance against the People's Republic of France. The USER is thus forced to declare that it will support the PRF against the 'Free' French forces.

The partition of France into the north and south is and will remain the policy of the USER and the USER will defend the territory held by the PRF in ensuring that this is so. If any other nation attacks the PRF or USER it will activate the Committern alliance. The Axis is content to allow war to continue, it shows nothing for the rights of man they so espouse, this is nothing but hypocrisy from a warmongering alliance who seeks to enslave the proletariat of the world for their capitalist markets.

 

[Sheep]

Proposed Treaty from the Supreme Soviet of the USER

- The current borders between the lands occupied by the Republic of France and the People's Republic of France are to become an international border.
- A 20 mile DMZ is to be enacted on both sides of the border to be patrolled by troops from Switzerland
- Both France's are to recognise each other and the allies of both France's are to recognise both Frances.

 

[Symphony D.]

Cloak Disengaged: History teaches people nothing apparently. It doesn't matter if everybody else in the whole world accepts that settlement; France won't. This is why real powers don't invoke sympathy for the millions that will die in a World War to get their way - they threaten to bring it about if they don't.

 

[The Farow]

Germany refuses to sign the USER treaty as we do not agree it is in the best interests of the German and French people.


Germany also refuses to negiotate with the USER until it begins to work in a more diplomatic tone. Its comments are direspectful and not at all being productive to the situtation.

 

[TerrisH]

orders sent.

 

[Sheep]

Germany does not need to sign the treaty as it is not a party to the treaty.

 

[das]

From: France
To: New England (forwarded to the free world)

It would seem that like several other foreign governments, though doubtlessly endowed with the best of intentions, you have come forward with your proposal without first properly studying the situation in France.

Peace and stability? And you even bring up the example of the North American Continent, which is ofcourse widely known for its peace and stability, no doubt caused by that genial decision to partition it. Still, we shall practice what we preach, and shall not propose any ambitious, well-intended peace plans out of touch with the political and socio-economical realities of North America. But whatever North America's path may be, we do not intend to follow it; we do not intend to see France divided between nations plagued by civil unrest, coups and never-ending wars. North America can survive that, but France is a far smaller (and more contigious) territory. A partition would equal national suicide, even autogenocide. There are certainly some people that would want that, but we do express the hope that you understand why we disagree with those gentlemen.

And we rather doubt that the majority of the French population is particularily thrilled by the prospects of such an euthanasia. Self-determination is indeed very important; and as you will recall, in the last French democratic elections the communists AND the fascists had lost to the republicans; a fascist-republican coalition is thus even more representative of the wishes of the French people than the previous government. The people of France had DETERMINED by themselves that they do NOT want the communists in power neither; instead, they had made it clear that they want a strong government willing to protect its national interests (a factor present in both the republican and the fascist political programmes). The principle of self-determination that you had invoked demands that the communists surrender, for they are going against the people's will.

Alas (and please, do not consider this an insult), in geography too your knowledge seems to fall short of what is required to properly understand the French situation. Just how does it DIVIDE us? Does the Loire divide France? No - it UNITES France, being a natural trade and transportation route that bound together the west and the east, the north and the south. There are no other elements of the French landscape that anyone might even remotely claim to be the natural borders between the North and the South - that is because in France, the North and the South are bound together. Sure, it is possible to severe all the ties between them - it is, after all, possible to cut a human body in a half! An excellent method for ensuring peace indeed, but we do no wish that kind of peace.

A partition of France would be a rude, senseless violation of its political and socio-economical realities - both of France as an united political unit, and of its contigious regions, for neither the people of the north nor the people of the south (note that they are all French people - though ofcourse there are regional differences, they are negligible) supported one side over the other overwhelmingly. France is a pluralistic country, and in all of its regions, fascist, republican and communist parties found some support. It is true that in the south, the MILITARY had traditionally been more under the influence of the Mediterranean Communism - and consequently, when the Crisis came, the "red generals" quickly imposed a military dictatorship in the southern departments, and are yet to consult the people whether or not that is quite what they want. Did you not just speak of self-determination? Or do you think that the mandate to power should come not from the people, but rather from the military? It would seem that the Communists in our country think it is the latter, for they had ignored the people's will and instead resorted to that brutal, barbaric kind of power that comes from the barrel of a gun. We believe that self-determination shouldn't really work like that - do you?

We hope that this message had shed some light on our point of view here.

 

[IceEye]

To: USER
From: The Netherlands
So you mean you would have done nothing if we bombed the english in Cherbourg? That is not what you said earlier...
We would never sign your stupid treaty as there is only one France, currently in civil war but still only one France.


ooc: orders will be sent within minutes

 

[Luckymoose]

To: Netherlands
From: England

Of course they would have if you attacked me in the english channel or my homeland. But in reality there is only one france. Communist France. If the Netherlands decide to ever battle English forces. Let it be known that you will be crushed.

**orders sent*

 

[Wubba360]

Orders sent

Wubba, you best be givin me them airplanes

as long as i get those tanks, or whatever u have

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Ok, andis you have tempted my will and will be punished for your insolence. When update comes, you and your friends will suffer.

as a warning luckymoose, England isn't ready for communism. You will suffer as well.

Update will be after a party tonight.

 

[Kal'thzar]

Ok, andis you have tempted my will and will be punished for your insolence. When update comes, you and your friends will suffer.

as a warning luckymoose, England isn't ready for communism. You will suffer as well.

Update will be after a party tonight.

Next time you should just make it so that the next tech CANNOT be researched

 

[andis-1]

Aye. The current ruleset ain't forbidding anything I'm doing atm.

 

[Swissempire]

To: Free France
From: USCA

We understand the need for unity, and firmly urge that you crush the rebellion in the south. Red is the color of blood, and if blood is what they want, blood they shall receive. Viva La Libertad!

 

[carmen510]

From Spain
To all Frances

We hereby recognise all of you as free, independent, seperated nations. However, we will not sign the USER's proposed treaty, as that will hurt the interests of France becoming unified.

 

[IronMan2055]

Ok, andis you have tempted my will and will be punished for your insolence. When update comes, you and your friends will suffer.

what did he do?