Iran, the Red Sea, and the West (tm).

I just don’t see how you can think this after the US military was forced to retreat from all these fronts. Iran is a target rich environment. But are our bomb stocks a bomb rich environment? This point bears repeating. It actually costs something to destroy all this stuff if you don’t want to just drop a nuke. You need stuff that’ll get the job done. And then you have to choose between whether your strikes are punitive against the civilian population or intended to produce a real effect. In theory you could do a Gaza to every city in Iran. But then you don’t have as many bombs and China knows it can take Taiwan and Russia knows it can take Poland. Maybe you don’t even have enough bombs to do that in the first place. Point being you have to try to use what you have wisely knowing that you cannot mobilize the economy like you once could.

As for taking out a carrier - just watch. There’s a first time for everything. Right now the Dwight D Eisenhower is leading the strike from Aden. Even so they haven’t been able to kill the blockade.
I think I'm not communicating my point clearly. I'm not under the delusion that the US could hold Iran and install and defend a government in Iran with any success. We have not done so since WWII and in the current insurgency/counter-insurgency battle spaces it is not feasible. My point is that the current government and its associated military in Iran would be pretty completely destroyed. Yea, it would have very very bad consequences for the US hegemon, and it is why I think more rational actors have stopped the worst of the reactionary impulse over here in the USA Inc.

I agree with you about whether a carrier group can stop an ad hoc blockade of a particular space that is the Bab al Mandab strait. That kind of project would require controlling the land in the region. Also, a carrier group is not invincible but under current technology that has been utilized by other nations and paramilitary groups they are pretty close to invincible.
 
Cash is not resources. Those do not float so freely.

Cash from the sale of semiconductors is flowing in one direction, currently - into the pockets of US businessmen and their subordinates within the western sphere, trickling down into governments. Cutting edge semiconductors themselves, the ones with most computations/sec. flow in the direction of western data centres, very rapidly, powering, among other things, western scientific research centers. The AI revolution, enabled by US entity Nvidia around 2018 and actuated in January 2023 by OpenAI profoundly reshaped the way future data centres will be built, the way code is written, the way research is done. Suddenly, one of the most precious, critical tech-enabling resources is ... semiconductors. The key points on a map to successful semiconductor development is in 3 countries: Taiwan, Netherlands and California. All three under supervision by the hegemon.

It was a strange twist of faith that Nvidia started investing in AI more than 5 years ago. Last year the entire world was caught with pants down, when it transpired that US suddenly has a 5 year lead in AI chip development, a critical lithographical tech under lockdown in the Netherlands and a "private" factory in Taiwan, which obeys orders meticulously. This developement, gradually, moved a mountain of money away from EU, Arabia, China and Russia into US. Money isn't everything, you're right, but Philip, also, isn't wrong.

A donkey laden with gold can take any fortress. (c) Philip II of Macedon
 
The AI revolution, enabled by US entity Nvidia around 2018 and actuated in January 2023 by OpenAI profoundly reshaped the way future data centres will be built, the way code is written, the way research is done.

That's one possibility. Or it might just reshape the way students cheat, the way SEO spam bubbles to the top, the way lawyers invent legal citations, and the way marketing drivel is generated. With a possibility for exterminating humanity between those.
 
The loss of a carrier with over 2000 sailors on board might be what it takes to gain the political will to mobilize more of the economy.

Maybe not. The last 3 didn't. But there was just something about them I can't quite put my finger on...
 
Chat bots are on the surface, but machine learning is the real driving force. Self-learning weapons systems, robotics. Giant Death Robots suddenly feel less like science fiction and more like remote opportunity. While general public embraced chat bots and a great number of them will likely leave the toy aside in a few years, the military will keep integrating machine learning into infrastructure from now on, motivated by competition from opposing powers.

The real big bada boom will happen in the Pacific, when powers clash over Taiwan for the leadership in semi's. Iran is a training drill. US was, in part, dragged into this Middle East conflict, but it is under no obligation to follow it through on Netanyahu's terms. Especially, considering a possibility of a certain president winning election and focusing all the resources on the "Chinese Problem". And away from less impactful conflicts.
 
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Imagine letting this opinion piece be printed in 2024 USA... Thanks NYT
 
Now that there is a real threat to real things (American goods) and real people (American consumers), the liberals have brought out the knives. Thomas Friedman has luckily remained quiet on what specific type of animal a certain state in the Middle East is; who knows what that would have been like.
 
It does seem to be poorly-written. I wouldn’t go with wasps. Besides, we should be the wasps; as an image, wasps are cool. Houthis ain’t cool.

If I were an insect I’d be a butterfly. Nobody ever suspects the butterfly, heh heh heh heh.
 
It does seem to be poorly-written. I wouldn’t go with wasps. Besides, we should be the wasps; as an image, wasps are cool. Houthis ain’t cool.

If I were an insect I’d be a butterfly. Nobody ever suspects the butterfly, heh heh heh heh.
Flesh-Eating butterflies could be the next Sharknado.
 
Chat bots are on the surface, but machine learning is the real driving force. Self-learning weapons systems, robotics. Giant Death Robots suddenly feel less like science fiction and more like remote opportunity. While general public embraced chat bots and a great number of them will likely leave the toy aside in a few years, the military will keep integrating machine learning into infrastructure from now on, motivated by competition from opposing powers.

The real big bada boom will happen in the Pacific, when powers clash over Taiwan for the leadership in semi's. Iran is a training drill. US was, in part, dragged into this Middle East conflict, but it is under no obligation to follow it through on Netanyahu's terms. Especially, considering a possibility of a certain president winning election and focusing all the resources on the "Chinese Problem". And away from less impactful conflicts.

This round of AI bubble is the same as previous round. Watched two such cycles before and I am not bothering to waste time with this one. I understand you have a different opinion. But even so, if you talk of litography as a tech some countries are 5 years ahead, China is catching up very fast. If it can be done it will be done (replicated), the thing that sometimes delays technologies for years is figuring out that that it can be done - lacking that there's a lack of will to work on it.
Taiwan is geopolitically relevant for its geographical position, not its semiconductor industry. They have valuable know how but it can be done elsewhere. Long term - geopolitics is a long-term game - these things come and go, industries in country X or Y. Technology is easier to change that geography or politics. It's no accident that field is called geopolitics :p
The US had been deindustrializing in a number of areas due to its internal politics, not due to lack of resources or technology. Which is why I'm saying that trend isn't going to reverse anytime soon - politics. And this deindustrialization affected its military capacities, which were never as mighty as the propaganda depicted anyway.

I think I'm not communicating my point clearly. I'm not under the delusion that the US could hold Iran and install and defend a government in Iran with any success. We have not done so since WWII and in the current insurgency/counter-insurgency battle spaces it is not feasible. My point is that the current government and its associated military in Iran would be pretty completely destroyed. Yea, it would have very very bad consequences for the US hegemon, and it is why I think more rational actors have stopped the worst of the reactionary impulse over here in the USA Inc.

I agree with you about whether a carrier group can stop an ad hoc blockade of a particular space that is the Bab al Mandab strait. That kind of project would require controlling the land in the region. Also, a carrier group is not invincible but under current technology that has been utilized by other nations and paramilitary groups they are pretty close to invincible.

Are you however under the delusion that the US could even invade Iran? It can't. And therefore it cannot destroy is current government, or military. The US tried bombing only in several countries, notably North Vietnam, and failed. The US tried partial invasions in Iraq (1992) and Syria (ongoing) , and failed to dislodge their goverments.

Iran cannot be invaded by the US because the US has no safe staging ground to lauch an invasion from. The military presence it retains in northern Iraq is extremely vulnerable and without either good lines of supply (would have to depend on a hostile Turkey, much like in Afghanistan it depended on a hostile Pakistan) or even a route to flee if things escalate to war. Those soldiers would be wiped out fast in a real regional war involving Iran.
To invade Iran the US would have to first re-invade Iraq fully, overthrow its government and impose a military occupation. To make it a sate staging ground it would have to garrison it with over a million troops (very hostile population, plenty of small arms and porous borders), required to stay put there in garrission duty. In addition to that it would have to gather at least a couple of million more for attacking Iran while guarding against counter attacks and flanking moves (check the Iran-Iraq war).

That is not happening. Those armies do not exist and will never exist. It would require a social effort comparatively greated that the Korean War. There is a reason why the PNAC maniacs didn't proceed with their plan, from attacking Iraq to attacking Iran: it would be suicidal, result in total defeat. And that was in a time when the technical edge did favour the US, and it had a greater number of available forces, greated influence worldwide, and a more gung-ho domestic public. And hadn't deindustrailized so much and let the skilled personel retire and die yet.

The US currently has officials admitting that they no longer know how to maintain the only ICBM the have in service. There are SLBM but what kind of state, and military industry, loses track of those skills? The super-duper F35 planes have to spend more time in maintenance than in the air. It has a military not fit for a serious war, for 20 years trained and used to bombing already wrecked countries. That is why this "retaliation", which is a political show for Biden's benefit, was done on iraquis and syrians. Not on Iran. Iran can escalate, can wipe out those isolated bases in Iraq and Syria, and indeed perhaps some of the naval assets that happen to be close to its shores. Can interdict the Gulf to the US navy and expell it from its bases there. Then what? The US attempts some bombing sorties from afar into iranian territory? Is anyone under the delusion that the US play in Ukraine ("we are not beliligerents we are just providing weapons") would not be answered in exactly the same way in such a war: Iran will have available whatever AD systems the russians can spare and they build A LOT of that.

End game the US cannot even bomb Iran and is forced to run away from any place within missile range of Iran. Iran's missiles cover the Middle East. A war with Iran ends in strategic, and military, US defeat in the Middle East. Imo people in the pentagon know it even in people in the capitol do not. And must have been having a hard time explaining that to the chickenhawks over these last few days.

Now, the iranians are not stupid. They know all this but they also know that time alone will see the US out of the Middle East. A war will still be damaging, as the Iran-Iraq war was even though Iran won (sucessfully defended and left Iraq weakened, leading to Kuwait and all that). Iran will not escalate and start this full blown war unless it has to - it is directly attacked.
Ultimately I'm trusting that sane people in both governments will prevail and this war won't happen.
 
This round of AI bubble is the same as previous round. Watched two such cycles before and I am not bothering to waste time with this one. I understand you have a different opinion. But even so, if you talk of litography as a tech some countries are 5 years ahead, China is catching up very fast. If it can be done it will be done (replicated), the thing that sometimes delays technologies for years is figuring out that that it can be done - lacking that there's a lack of will to work on it.
Taiwan is geopolitically relevant for its geographical position, not its semiconductor industry. They have valuable know how but it can be done elsewhere. Long term - geopolitics is a long-term game - these things come and go, industries in country X or Y. Technology is easier to change that geography or politics. It's no accident that field is called geopolitics :p
The US had been deindustrializing in a number of areas due to its internal politics, not due to lack of resources or technology. Which is why I'm saying that trend isn't going to reverse anytime soon - politics. And this deindustrialization affected its military capacities, which were never as mighty as the propaganda depicted anyway.



Are you however under the delusion that the US could even invade Iran? It can't. And therefore it cannot destroy is current government, or military. The US tried bombing only in several countries, notably North Vietnam, and failed. The US tried partial invasions in Iraq (1992) and Syria (ongoing) , and failed to dislodge their goverments.

Iran cannot be invaded by the US because the US has no safe staging ground to lauch an invasion from. The military presence it retains in northern Iraq is extremely vulnerable and without either good lines of supply (would have to depend on a hostile Turkey, much like in Afghanistan it depended on a hostile Pakistan) or even a route to flee if things escalate to war. Those soldiers would be wiped out fast in a real regional war involving Iran.
To invade Iran the US would have to first re-invade Iraq fully, overthrow its government and impose a military occupation. To make it a sate staging ground it would have to garrison it with over a million troops (very hostile population, plenty of small arms and porous borders), required to stay put there in garrission duty. In addition to that it would have to gather at least a couple of million more for attacking Iran while guarding against counter attacks and flanking moves (check the Iran-Iraq war).

That is not happening. Those armies do not exist and will never exist. It would require a social effort comparatively greated that the Korean War. There is a reason why the PNAC maniacs didn't proceed with their plan, from attacking Iraq to attacking Iran: it would be suicidal, result in total defeat. And that was in a time when the technical edge did favour the US, and it had a greater number of available forces, greated influence worldwide, and a more gung-ho domestic public. And hadn't deindustrailized so much and let the skilled personel retire and die yet.

The US currently has officials admitting that they no longer know how to maintain the only ICBM the have in service. There are SLBM but what kind of state, and military industry, loses track of those skills? The super-duper F35 planes have to spend more time in maintenance than in the air. It has a military not fit for a serious war, for 20 years trained and used to bombing already wrecked countries. That is why this "retaliation", which is a political show for Biden's benefit, was done on iraquis and syrians. Not on Iran. Iran can escalate, can wipe out those isolated bases in Iraq and Syria, and indeed perhaps some of the naval assets that happen to be close to its shores. Can interdict the Gulf to the US navy and expell it from its bases there. Then what? The US attempts some bombing sorties from afar into iranian territory? Is anyone under the delusion that the US play in Ukraine ("we are not beliligerents we are just providing weapons") would not be answered in exactly the same way in such a war: Iran will have available whatever AD systems the russians can spare and they build A LOT of that.

End game the US cannot even bomb Iran and is forced to run away from any place within missile range of Iran. Iran's missiles cover the Middle East. A war with Iran ends in strategic, and military, US defeat in the Middle East. Imo people in the pentagon know it even in people in the capitol do not. And must have been having a hard time explaining that to the chickenhawks over these last few days.

Now, the iranians are not stupid. They know all this but they also know that time alone will see the US out of the Middle East. A war will still be damaging, as the Iran-Iraq war was even though Iran won (sucessfully defended and left Iraq weakened, leading to Kuwait and all that). Iran will not escalate and start this full blown war unless it has to - it is directly attacked.
Ultimately I'm trusting that sane people in both governments will prevail and this war won't happen.
Yea, thi sis where we part ways on this, I think you are mistaking political reticence for loss of capability. I'm arguing no one can really invade anyone anymore and hold on for very long. I'm certain the USA Inc. could remove the current Iranian regime with proper motivation, but currently that motivation is going be an Iranian attack on US soil and a big attack at that. Acting on Israeli bloodlust is not going to do it and a few soldiers is not going to do it either. I could not find much on not being able to maintain the ICBMs, I found a lot on the upgrade programs starting and this on a test failing late last year. The pentagon in particular manipulates on the "we are insanely behind and defenseless to this is the most amazing defense forces on the planet by orders of magnitude" depending on who they are talking to...






While the Air Force is investigating to pinpoint the issue, Tim Ryan, Senior Resident Fellow at the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, said that he doesn’t believe the anomaly is linked to the age of the Minuteman system, suggesting it could have been caused by a variety of reasons.

Anomaly can represent any deviation or irregularity from the expected or projected behavior during the launch and testing process of the missile, which itself is an “extremely rigid and rigorous” regime.

Ryan emphasized that MM III technology remains reliable, as proven through regular flight tests conducted multiple times a year. The nuclear-capable missile has a range of 6,000-plus miles and can travel at approximately 15,000 miles per hour.

I think the Biden administration act so far is largely just face-saving PR, the USA Inc. never wanted much to do with the Mideast, we've been trying to pivot to east Asia for a generation now lol...but the idea that Iran would run off a massive buildup of US forces seems delusional to me so I think we must agree to disagree on this.
 
Yea, thi sis where we part ways on this, I think you are mistaking political reticence for loss of capability. I'm arguing no one can really invade anyone anymore and hold on for very long. I'm certain the USA Inc. could remove the current Iranian regime with proper motivation, but currently that motivation is going be an Iranian attack on US soil and a big attack at that. Acting on Israeli bloodlust is not going to do it and a few soldiers is not going to do it either. I could not find much on not being able to maintain the ICBMs, I found a lot on the upgrade programs starting and this on a test failing late last year. The pentagon in particular manipulates on the "we are insanely behind and defenseless to this is the most amazing defense forces on the planet by orders of magnitude" depending on who they are talking to...

Per your previous remarks, vis-a-vis Vietnam, despite the enormous material advantage the US was not actually able to defeat North Vietnam let alone destroy its forces. Just a few years after the war's end, Vietnam invaded and destroyed the U.S. ally Pol Pot in Cambodia. So clearly that enormous material disparity didn't actually translate to as big a strategic factor as the propaganda insisted.

Likewise there's good reasons to assume the US couldn't even get boots on the ground. As for a pure-air campaign, as you propose? They literally don't have the bullets to demolish all of Iran's forces. They don't have the bombs. Iran is ultimately not that vulnerable and it's hard to imagine that they are, because the only way to get results like in Iraq is to conduct it like Iraq - boots on the ground. That's where, for instance, the Cato Institute says you need to start that thing from a place of 1.6 million troops under arms.
 
Per your previous remarks, vis-a-vis Vietnam, despite the enormous material advantage the US was not actually able to defeat North Vietnam let alone destroy its forces. Just a few years after the war's end, Vietnam invaded and destroyed the U.S. ally Pol Pot in Cambodia. So clearly that enormous material disparity didn't actually translate to as big a strategic factor as the propaganda insisted.

Likewise there's good reasons to assume the US couldn't even get boots on the ground. As for a pure-air campaign, as you propose? They literally don't have the bullets to demolish all of Iran's forces. They don't have the bombs. Iran is ultimately not that vulnerable and it's hard to imagine that they are, because the only way to get results like in Iraq is to conduct it like Iraq - boots on the ground. That's where, for instance, the Cato Institute says you need to start that thing from a place of 1.6 million troops under arms.
Yea, I'm just not communicating clearly, I agree with all of this basically. North Vietnam fought us with irregular paramilitary partisans largely. The US won every battle and lost the war, we have a helluva a streak of that going on...
 
WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States and Britain struck 36 Houthi targets in Yemen on Saturday in a second wave of assaults meant to further disable Iran-backed groups that have relentlessly attacked American and international interests in the wake of the Israel-Hamas war. But Washington once more did not directly target Iran as it tries to find a balance between a forceful response and intensifying the conflict.

 
Yea, I'm just not communicating clearly, I agree with all of this basically. North Vietnam fought us with irregular paramilitary partisans largely. The US won every battle and lost the war, we have a helluva a streak of that going on...

My interpretation of this is that their idea of "winning" "battles" is 200 years out of date to begin with.


We're witnessing the opening salvos of a war we're not prepared to fight.
 
I have no idea what is going on here, it may be all made up by the Houthis

US occupation forces continue to loot Syrian wealth

The US occupation continued on Sunday to loot Syrian wealth and transfer it from the areas it occupies in the countryside of Hasaka to outside the country.

The Syrian news agency SANA quoted local sources as saying: A convoy of 60 tankers loaded with stolen Syrian oil left Syrian territory accompanied by a guard from the occupation forces and the separatist militia (SDF) through the illegal Mahmoudiya crossing towards the occupation bases in northern Iraq.

It is worth mentioning that the US occupation forces deployed in the Syrian island are looting national wealth and strategic crops in partnership with the associated SDF militia, such as oil, wheat and barley, as part of the systematic occupation policy to restrict Syria and its people.

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My interpretation of this is that their idea of "winning" "battles" is 200 years out of date to begin with.



We're witnessing the opening salvos of a war we're not prepared to fight.
I'll own the 200-year-old idea of winning battles, if you clear the field of the enemy in the localized context of the contested area in time and space you won the battle. If you won a series of those that lead to a resolution that brought long term peace to both sides, then you won the war. The US is good at the first part, and it is terrible at the second part. It is so bad at the second part I've grown to question its intent in any given conflict. I've come to believe that the point of USA Inc. is to keep conflicts going as much as possible without disturbing its own sleeping workers,

I still reserve hope that USA Inc. has enough self-preservation sense not to start a war in Iran. It could easily shake this nation's top heaviness and we could topple over. I'd really like to get my kids a bit older before we are dealing with the US government failing somehow. There are two reasons for me to support this kleptocratic project atm, first my kids are young, and I fear for my life and theirs by extension. I've been vocal about certain things for a long time and not just online, which means people know how I feel about things and that leads me to the primary concern of the USA Inc. toppling over right now. It is much more likely to topple further to the right-wing reactionary direction than to the left-wing humanist type direction.

./shrug
 
I have no idea what is going on here, it may be all made up by the Houthis

US occupation forces continue to loot Syrian wealth

The US occupation continued on Sunday to loot Syrian wealth and transfer it from the areas it occupies in the countryside of Hasaka to outside the country.

The Syrian news agency SANA quoted local sources as saying: A convoy of 60 tankers loaded with stolen Syrian oil left Syrian territory accompanied by a guard from the occupation forces and the separatist militia (SDF) through the illegal Mahmoudiya crossing towards the occupation bases in northern Iraq.

It is worth mentioning that the US occupation forces deployed in the Syrian island are looting national wealth and strategic crops in partnership with the associated SDF militia, such as oil, wheat and barley, as part of the systematic occupation policy to restrict Syria and its people.

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Iranian officials are making the same types of claims.


The amount of oil production during the first half of 2022 amounted to some 14.5 million barrels, with an average daily production of 80.3 thousand barrels, of which 14.2 thousand are delivered daily to refineries,” the oil ministry’s statement said.

The statement went on to say that “US occupation forces and their mercenaries,” referring to the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), “steal up to 66,000 barrels every single day from the fields occupied in the eastern region,” amounting to around 83 percent of Syria’s daily oil production.

According to the ministry’s data, the Syrian oil sector has incurred losses nearing “about 105 billion dollars since the beginning of the war until the middle of this year” as a result of the US oil theft campaign.

Seems likely in the sense that our proxy in the area is doing the looting largely.
 
I have no idea what is going on here, it may be all made up by the Houthis

US occupation forces continue to loot Syrian wealth

The US occupation continued on Sunday to loot Syrian wealth and transfer it from the areas it occupies in the countryside of Hasaka to outside the country.

The Syrian news agency SANA quoted local sources as saying: A convoy of 60 tankers loaded with stolen Syrian oil left Syrian territory accompanied by a guard from the occupation forces and the separatist militia (SDF) through the illegal Mahmoudiya crossing towards the occupation bases in northern Iraq.

It is worth mentioning that the US occupation forces deployed in the Syrian island are looting national wealth and strategic crops in partnership with the associated SDF militia, such as oil, wheat and barley, as part of the systematic occupation policy to restrict Syria and its people.

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Eastern part of the country, along Iraqi border, is controlled by SDF separatists and US troops.
It's oil rich territory, so I wouldn't be surprised if guys were doing some business there.
 
No wonder that, for all Assad's brutality, the SDF has such a bad rep in Syria for allowing a foreign power to just simply loot the riches of the country that lots of Syrians simply loathe the SDF to the point that they loop back to liking defending Assad
 
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