Is a wet sponge the equivalent of water?

[Bozo Erectus]

The votes and responses in the 'respect' thread lead me directly to this next one:

Do you equate education with intelligence? Do you believe that its possible for someone to be highly educated and at the same time, not very intelligent, or actually flat out stupid?

 

[useless]

i dont eqate it intelligence.. but it does raise it.

 

[warpus]

Of course not.

To be educated simply means to have done a lot of schooling & to know a lot of facts about various things.

To be intelligent means something else entirely; it means that you're able to reason very well, even if you don't have a lot of facts at hand (or memorized).

 

[Kozmos]

No. I present exhibit A: Red Stranger.

 

[Phlegmak]

The votes and responses in the 'respect' thread lead me directly to this next one:

Do you equate education with intelligence? Do you believe that its possible for someone to be highly educated and at the same time, not very intelligent, or actually flat out stupid?

It's entirely possible for someone to be highly educated and dumb as a doornail. I've known several people like that. George Bush is highly educated. I once dated a girl who was well educated and amazingly dumb.

 

[LucyDuke]

Absolutely different things. Being intelligent can make it easier to go though the educational system, but it can also have the opposite effect. I usually assume highly-educated people (PhDs) to be somewhat intelligent, at least until I'm proven wrong.

 

[Babbler]

To me, intelligence is a latent ability that requires education to activate.

 

[El_Machinae]

I certainly correlate the two, but not absolutely. For me, the main attribute of intelligence is inquisitiveness and then maybe a decent memory to back it up with.

 

[Irish Caesar]

A wet sponge, for the sake of calculating photon attenuation, can be approximated to have the mass attenuation coefficient of water.

An educated person, for the sake of making a first impression, can be approximated to be intelligent.

 

[Urederra]

The votes and responses in the 'respect' thread lead me directly to this next one:

Do you equate education with intelligence? Do you believe that its possible for someone to be highly educated and at the same time, not very intelligent, or actually flat out stupid?

Yes, of course, they call themselves intellectuals. You know, these people who read a lot of books about how communism is such a great idea but they are not capable of look at the history, judge and reach their own conclusions. That is why they are fond of citing those books so much.

We have some eminent examples around.

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

And there is a difference between 'educated' and 'schooled'.

 

[Jawz II]

i dont eqate it intelligence.. but it does raise it.

How do you figure? I mean math can make people very slightly smarter, but thats about it. Its like saying the more stuff you have on your harddrive, the faster your processor becomes.


I think, a person can't be a complete nitwit and have higher education, can't make it through the tests. But a person can still be a complete idiot with education.

It just means you arent a paint chip away from riding the short bus is all it says. That youre in the "upper" 70% IQ level. You can be in the lower part of that demographic and still make it through school with hard work.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

There is also a difference between "stupidity" and "bad judgment" - George Bush isn't as stupid as everyone likes to think.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Of course not.

To be educated simply means to have done a lot of schooling & to know a lot of facts about various things.

To be intelligent means something else entirely; it means that you're able to reason very well, even if you don't have a lot of facts at hand (or memorized).

Yeah I caught on pretty early in life that theres a difference between education and intelligence. All my life, everyone around me has been telling me how intelligent I am, but Im nowhere near as smart as they think. I just like to read, and Im able to remember things that Ive read. I'll give you an example of what real intelligence is to me.

One time I was playing chess with someone who gave up in disgust because I was beating him so bad. I was just a few moves away from checkmating him. As a lark, I asked another person nearby if he wanted to finish the game for him, and this guy, completely cold, after studying the board for just a couple of minutes, checkmated me in like 3 moves Thats intelligence. The ability to recognize patterns and relationships, and I dont think it has anything at all to do with education. It cant be taught, its an innate trait, ability.

A wet sponge, for the sake of calculating photon attenuation, can be approximated to have the mass attenuation coefficient of water.

DOH! Well I'll be danged!

 

[LuckyAC]

Obviously not the same thing (look at Dubya). However, given the selectivity of schools, in general, there should be a fairly decent correlation. The average Harvard Ph.D will be smarter than the average high school dropout, even though there are some high school dropouts who are smarter than some Harvard Ph.Ds. Obviously education level by itself doesn't allow you to judge an individual's intelligence, but it is meaningful for general trends over a population.

 

[Bill3000]

No. A wet sponge cannot be approximated as a newtonian fluid.

 

[Irish Caesar]

DOH! Well I'll be danged!

Couldn't resist throwing that one in there. Tissue can be approximated as water also; which might mean that drinking is intelligence.



Oh, no, it means that drinking occurs at institutes of higher education!

But seriously, we have to use approximations and first impressions in everyday life. We judge on appearances until we can know more. We look at past experiences to try and make sense of the current situation. And we can usually assume that if someone is educated, he will be intelligent. It's a fairly safe assumption until we find the contrary to be true.

 

[Cuivienen]

Obviously not the same thing (look at Dubya). However, given the selectivity of schools, in general, there should be a fairly decent correlation. The average Harvard Ph.D will be smarter than the average high school dropout, even though there are some high school dropouts who are smarter than some Harvard Ph.Ds. Obviously education level by itself doesn't allow you to judge an individual's intelligence, but it is meaningful for general trends over a population.

But the two can't be equated, which is the point. Greater intelligence might cause greater education, but not always, and not with a strong enough correlation to be useful from a statistical point of view.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

There is a reason that Intelligence and Wisdom are separate attributes, and why Knowledge is a skill different from both . . .

 

[Bill3000]

There is a reason that Intelligence and Wisdom are separate attributes, and why Knowledge is a skill different from both . . .

You win this thread.