Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Takhisis]

Here's a couple:
How Boris was done in by a “****oo in the nest” plot
Gove and Johnson: What happened?

Lots of reporters are trying to piece it all together right now, so expect more "revelations" in the coming days. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if someone reported that Gove was actually Syrio Forel. That's how mad this whole business is right now.

He's a fembot.

Anyone notice how Britain just isn't about to leave the EU just yet? They have yet to invoke article 50.

Looks like they will factor in Northern Ireland and Scotland in the referendum result and reframe it as a remain victory since the amount of countries voting leave is not a majority.

Yes, but as long as the UK doesn't actually take "Brexit" off the table, it's going to (have to) be treated as if it is still on, if not now then soon...

The EU are in two minds. They can't disown another referendum, as they did with the Greeks, but they are ideologically conditioned to follow the incredibly stupid ‘ever closer union’ mandate.

Now, as for refraining the referendum as a victory because countries did not vote for it… it's Scotland and Northern Ireland against, England and Wales and Cornwall for.

How? The nation and the party alike demand his retention on office in huge public outpourings of feeling that the Father of His Nation must not abandon it in its hour of need?

He is not Lionel Messi.

 

[Kyriakos]

Right now ot seems most of the EU wants the UK to leave already. It was always a difficult relationship, and this is now an opportunity for a clean break. Mending it would require trust that just isn't there anymore.

While i cannot decide the fate of people in another country (nor would i want to), i think that:

-Obviously most Euians want the UK out now, but this is split in two very different groups: those who are pro-Eu (ie some germanics and tied slavs-othermagyarfins ) and those who are anti-Eu (a lot, again groups spliting to two, other kind in the austerity hit south, other - more fascist- kind in some of the north).

-I wouldn't be surprised if politicians in the actual UK try to avoid doing anything for the longest possible time. They already had a coup against Corbyn much to that effect. The Con party, being the party of Con, also doesn't look like doing much prior to an election.

-The Eu is not in a position to play as a comedy-variation show. It already is more sinister than that, with misanthropes in main positions (lol, Germany wins it there, no contest, Shauble could have been revealed to have been a vicious guard at a nazi concentration camp and no one would be surprised; there are also other unsavoury goons of the Weber type, and then other type of half goon/half clown like the leader of the socialists there). It is impossible to play this as a comedy and just accept Britain back. As usual, though, nothing will happen unless those people have to do it, cause the Eu obviously lost very heavily with the Brexit, it was the first time any actual country left the Eu, and Britain is one of the largest countries once part of it.

So i think the british politicians will stall making things up as they go, until they arrive crawling at some general election in a couple of months from now, and then somehow try to argue that it is up to the Mps elected to go through with a deal or not, OR have those Mps argue for a new referendum cancelling (yeah, or 'accepting') the first one. A charade, but i do not see this ending with article 50 being triggered by Britain anytime soon.

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There is another reason i am sort of indifferent here. Britain leaving, or sort of leaving, or something other, doesn't mean much to me. It won't improve the Eu. The Eu was doomed to being a Pos "union" since it super-expanded in 2004. Maybe it was doomed prior to that too (likely, but not utterly certain), but it sure is a comedic non union now and will remain such.

 

[EnglishEdward]

.. It's obvious that even the pro-Brexiters are actually backpedaling as hard as they can to NOT be the ones to do it......

This Leaver is not backpedalling.

I have known all along that a Leave result would create uncertainty.

Best thing to do is incite Article 50 with earliest possible exit date.

There is really nothing to negotiate on.

Once out genuine investors and useful corporates will no longer have current uncertainty.

So the UK should leave as soon as possible.

 

[Verbose]

The EU are in two minds. They can't disown another referendum, as they did with the Greeks, but they are ideologically conditioned to follow the incredibly stupid ‘ever closer union’ mandate.

What is the EU here to you?

The Commission can't do a bloody thing. Certainly not decide stuff. That's for the remaining 27 governments to do. But none of them can decide a bloody thing for the BRITISH government. Never could. (Just imagine the Swedish government telling the UK what to do, and expecting to be obeyed — that's about the level of improbability, if one cuts through all the staggering amount of BS about the EU thrown up by in particular the British press.)

This really only is down to the Brits themselves. No one else can do a damn thing at this point. Never could really.

 

[bathsheba666]

"Genuine investors and useful corporates" .... hmmm

Once we are out, exactly what purpose will your apparently specious adjectives serve ?

 

[Verbose]

"Genuine investors and useful corporates" .... hmmm

Once we are out, exactly what purpose will your apparently specious adjectives serve ?

They will tailor themselves to whatever is left of the British economy.

 

[Arakhor]

There is really nothing to negotiate on.

This really couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

 

[Takhisis]

What is the EU here to you?

A mess of people who are slowly realising they've oversped along the road to unification and are terrified to admit they've made mistakes.

 

[Verbose]

A mess of people who are slowly realising they've oversped along the road to unification and are terrified to admit they've made mistakes.

A very normative definition to be sure.

 

[Takhisis]

Normativity? Me?

 

[FriendlyFire]

This Leaver is not backpedalling.
I have known all along that a Leave result would create uncertainty.

Best thing to do is incite Article 50 with earliest possible exit date.
There is really nothing to negotiate on.

Once out genuine investors and useful corporates will no longer have current uncertainty.
So the UK should leave as soon as possible.

Exiters have No plan for British exit except some vague fantasies what they want to happen. I had though the exit would be simple but experts expect it to take around 10 years.

If you watch the video I posted UK with its special position in the EU acts as a backdoor to foreign goods into the EU market. Plus the British government carried out an exhaustive study on EU trade and concluded that being part of the single market gives the UK huge benefits.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Shauble could have been revealed to have been a vicious guard at a nazi concentration camp and no one would be surprised; there are also other unsavoury goons of the Weber type, and then other type of half goon/half clown like the leader of the socialists there). It is impossible to play this as a comedy and just accept Britain back. As usual, though, nothing will happen unless those people have to do it, cause the Eu obviously lost very heavily with the Brexit, it was the first time any actual country left the Eu, and Britain is one of the largest countries once part of it.

There is another reason i am sort of indifferent here. Britain leaving, or sort of leaving, or something other, doesn't mean much to me. It won't improve the Eu. The Eu was doomed to being a Pos "union" since it super-expanded in 2004. Maybe it was doomed prior to that too (likely, but not utterly certain), but it sure is a comedic non union now and will remain such.

Iam sure Greece was forced at gun point to join the Concentration camp and now is being worked to death by the Germans. Meanwhile Greece is begging German not to kick it out of the concentration camp. While outside Bulgaria, Ukraine, Turkey are trying to get inside.

Cant blame the UK got tired of sending monies to Greece, Greece refusing to deport immigrants. Greece government refusing to implement reform.

Greece was suppose to follow the EZ rules, instead of lying, cheating and cooking its books. Greece was doom the moment it joined the EU, with your culture of excessive borrowing, wasteful spending and repeated defaults.

Meanwhile in the EU concentration camp
Greece is being killed off with nearly 860 Mil "free" euromonies.

EU Gives Greece Additional 860 Mln Due to Recession

Greece is to receive 860 million euros from the European Union as an extra subsidy given to member states suffering from recession.

European Commissioner for Regional Policy Corina Cretu is expected to confirm the allocation of the funds today (Thursday), according to a Kathimerini newspaper report.

The subsidy is coming from the EU Structural Funds, 4 billion euros set aside for the countries affected most by the financial crisis, as agreed when the 2014-20 period plans were drafted, and the amount is decided based on the needs of the country’s economy. Greece is to get 860 million of that.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2016/06/30/eu-gives-greece-additional-e860-mln-due-to-recession/

 

[Yeekim]

Meanwhile in the EU concentration camp
Greece is being killed off with nearly 860 Mil "free" euromonies.

Don't try to lessen your crimes, Nazi scum! You are killing poor Greeks with 20+ bn (allocated for the fiscal period of 2014-2020)! :nod:

 

[EnglishEdward]

"Genuine investors and useful corporates" .... hmmm

Once we are out, exactly what purpose will your apparently specious adjectives serve ?

Much more purpose than your entirely specious post.

A mess of people who are slowly realising they've oversped along the road to unification and are terrified to admit they've made mistakes.

Precisely.

And it was the older people in the UK; who have watched this process for up to 40 years
and decided, based upon their experience over that period of time, who have recognised
this and disproportionately voted to Leave.

It was not xenophobia and it was not because we are so naïve to simply believe Nigel Farage,
Michael Gove or Boris Johnson and their like etc and their exaggerations and theatrics.

Exiters have No plan for British exit except some vague fantasies what they want to happen. I had though the exit would be simple but experts expect it to take around 10 years.

Then time to sack those experts.

It did not take 10 years for the British to grant independence to India and leave.

If you watch the video I posted UK with its special position in the EU acts as a backdoor to foreign goods into the EU market.

If some of our supposed exports to the EU are really just imports passing through,
then that would imply that our true exports to the EU are even less than the official
figures state, in which case the UK has much less to lose if the EU imposes tariffs.

This really couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Like what is there to negotiate on?


Consider the usual stuff on independence, corporate demergers.


Territorial Boundaries

The UK borders are known and generally not disputed.
NI/Eire border stays same unless voters in NI opt for unification.


Citizenship

This is known. People are British, Foreign or dual nationality.


Pension Rights

Unless people have worked for foreign governments or companies
UK pays its nationals, EU or EU Member states pay their own nationals.


Money in Bank

IIRC There is not any to be apportioned.


Debt

IIRC EU Commission has no debt to be apportioned.


Tariffs

If EU imposes tariffs, let them; UK merely corresponds; no need for treaty.


Free Movement of People

UK continues to admit all from EU on production of valid passport (unless previously
deported or UK suspects they are criminals or terrorists), but there is no automatic
right to employment or benefits (other than emergency use of NHS), own second homes.

What other EU member states do is entirely up to them.


Do try making a debate, rather than a one line contradiction that
contributes exactly nothing to this thread.

 

[Old Hippy]

It did not take 10 years for the British to grant independence to India and leave.
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that went so well...

 

[FriendlyFire]

that went so well...

Dont blame the violence, ethnic cleansing and ten millions displaced on the British !
Just because more than 1 Million people died. ....... Look the important thing was that it was quick and is a shining example of British Planning.

 

[Akka]

This Leaver is not backpedalling.

But all the people who actually are in position to do something do. You just have to bang your chest on the Internet, it's not exactly hard for you not to backpedal. People who will have to actually do the job are a bit less uninformed and realize just how ugly it will be - it's not a coincidence they all dance around the issue.

 

[Arakhor]

Like what is there to negotiate on? .... <stuff>

Even all of that takes negotiation, unless we want to drag out the process for two years and have a nasty divorce at the end. The two biggest issues there though are access to the single market (tariffs will hurt everybody and financial institutions will flee like rats on a sinking ship) and freedom of movement, which anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the UK hates as vehemently if it were a thousand suns.

 

[HAND]

It remains to be seen whether Brexit will actually happen by the way. Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet. This maybe due to the political chaos in London and/or preparations are needed for the Brexit negotiations within the UK establishment.

I think there is a significant chance once the new Tory leader/PM is crowned there could be another general election and perhaps the new government will disagree with acting on the referendum result maybe citing "as not being in the UK's best interests at this point in time" refusing to or "delay" triggering Article 50.

I still believe Article 50 will be triggered, but it just appears to me that Brexit was more of a certainty the day after the referendum than it is now.

 

[EnglishEdward]

But all the people who actually are in position to do something do.

There are a number of issues here.

Firstly I suspect that the professional civil service is waiting for a new Prime Minister
and set of ministers to be appointed. Hopefully someone in the FCO is creating a team.

Secondly some people, politicians, civil servants and diplomats are Remain voters
and are therefore at best half hearted and at worse deliberately thinking of excuses.

Thirdly some people have had a nice career at liaising between various parts of the UK
government and various parts of the EU bodies, and are well aware that once Brexit is
completed, that particular job will go and they are therefore content to spin things out.

Fourthly there is still some reluctance to accept the obvious consequences, and some
people may well have unreasonable expectations that the UK can end freedom of
movement, retain single market access and influence on the EU while not part of it.

You just have to bang your chest on the Internet, it's not exactly hard for you not to backpedal. People who will have to actually do the job are a bit less uninformed and realize just how ugly it will be - it's not a coincidence they all dance around the issue.

There is always some untidy detail.

This did not stop, or even really delay, Indian Independence.