Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Lohrenswald]

The EU offers all kinds of advantages. Of course, if one fails to appreciate these, taking them for granted somehow, there might be a rude awakening. Eventually.

Enlighten me

 

[innonimatu]

What of the few hundred thousand UK retirees in Spain who are not Spanish citizens?

Are they getting benefits from Spain? Or are they buying stuff there with their UK-paid pensions? Or both?

 

[Takhisis]

Well aside from the fact that "do you want London to break off and form a separate city state" was not part of the referendum question and therefore literally no-one in the country has voted on that issue.

I am merely suggesting that the Irish solution be applied.

Are they getting benefits from Spain? Or are they buying stuff there with their UK-paid pensions? Or both?

They're allowed to stay there. I'm not sure whether they have the £350,000,000 necessary to run the Spanish NHS, but that's another thing entirely.

 

[innonimatu]

They're allowed to stay there.

They are. And that's a benefit for whom, exactly?
Anyway, Spain can always expel them, if they wish. It will be, I hope (it should be) up to the spaniards to decide whether or not they're welcome in Spain.

I'm not sure whether they have the £350,000,000 necessary to run the Spanish NHS, but that's another thing entirely.

I'm not sure they use the spanish public health service. Do they? I am, however, quite sure that they pay a number of taxes in Spain.
And it is not a "paid benefit", just like the UK's. Both countries are enlightened enough to operate their public health services free for all residents, not as some kind of conditionally-granted benefit.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Enlighten me

Germany NOT starting world war(s) ?
Although this kind of repression has resulted in some strange behavior by the Germans, no doubt as a result of oppressing their genetic need to wage war. Though an economic war would help channel some of that violent energy and urges into something productive and less destructive for Europe. I'd imagine the main benefits of this are Poland, France and Russia

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[JohannaK]

I'm not sure they use the spanish public health service. Do they? I am, however, quite sure that they pay a number of taxes in Spain.
And it is not a "paid benefit", just like the UK's. Both countries are enlightened enough to operate their public health services free for all residents, not as some kind of conditionally-granted benefit.

Yeah, thry probably do. There has been some talk in recent years about 'medical tourism'.

Germany NOT starting world war(s) ?
Although this kind of repression has resulted in some strange behavior by the Germans, no doubt as a result of oppressing their genetic need to wage war. Though an economic war would help channel some of that violent energy and urges into something productive and less destructive for Europe. I'd imagine the main benefits of this are Poland, France and Russia

God, you cannot be serious.

 

[Arakhor]

God, you cannot be serious.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[metalhead]

So in the end it seems like this was little more than a giant middle finger to Londoners, yes?

 

[Gigaz]

A big little finger indeed. My money is still on Brexit is going to die.

 

[Takhisis]

There's some talk of Brexit not happening before 2019.

Which does fit the facts, if they don't formally apply before 2017 and it takes two years then the UK should exit the European Union in 2019. But a lot of people are acting surprised.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Are they getting benefits from Spain? Or are they buying stuff there with their UK-paid pensions? Or both?

I understand that it is mainly UK-paid pensions. There are likely some limited health benefits from Spain.
A few years back one was hearing sad stories about deluded English people and old English people with
chronic conditions being put on planes back to England when their entitlement in Spain was exhausted.

They are. And that's a benefit for whom, exactly?
Anyway, Spain can always expel them, if they wish. It will be, I hope (it should be) up to the spaniards to decide whether or not they're welcome in Spain.

Precisely.

And merely having the legal ability to expel means that governments can better
deal with badly behaved foreign nationals which incentivizes better behaviour.


Here is a report:

http://www.mansionglobal.com/articl...s_en_wsj_home&mod=mansiongl_edit_outbrain_Dec


I am always a bit sceptical about property booms built on foreigners
buying second homes or investment properties. Often results in asset
price inflation precluding those born there from first home ownership.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I am merely suggesting that the Irish solution be applied.

It would not be democratic in the slightest. That is all.

 

[Takhisis]

The Irish solution was not democratic either, but it ‘works’.

 

[Lohrenswald]

Germany NOT starting world war(s) ?
Although this kind of repression has resulted in some strange behavior by the Germans, no doubt as a result of oppressing their genetic need to wage war. Though an economic war would help channel some of that violent energy and urges into something productive and less destructive for Europe. I'd imagine the main benefits of this are Poland, France and Russia

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So basically as long as it doesn't have a german label you are okay with tyranny

 

[Sommerswerd]

Is it an accepted idea for most Europeans that one of the underlying goals of the EU was to prevent another world war breaking out in Europe... or is that just apocryphal/urban legend? I saw a news segment during the Brexit vote (Rachel Maddow) that suggested the EU was basically an anti WW3 measure, but I am curious whether Europeans see it that way.

 

[AdrienIer]

Is it an accepted idea for most Europeans that one of the underlying goals of the EU was to prevent another world war breaking out in Europe...

The bolded part is true. The whole sentence IDK. Many people have no interest in history and don't care why something was created. I suspect that those people have never asked themselves and even if they have, have made no effort to know the answer. It's likely that it's not an accepted idea for those people

 

[Lohrenswald]

Is it an accepted idea for most Europeans that one of the underlying goals of the EU was to prevent another world war breaking out in Europe... or is that just apocryphal/urban legend? I saw a news segment during the Brexit vote (Rachel Maddow) that suggested the EU was basically an anti WW3 measure, but I am curious whether Europeans see it that way.

It's not

I dunno why such a thing came to be

 

[Lillefix]

It's not

I dunno why such a thing came to be

Pretty sure it is.

The ECSC was first proposed by French foreign minister Robert Schuman on 9 May 1950 as a way to prevent further war between France and Germany. He declared his aim was to "make war not only unthinkable but materially impossible"[3] which was to be achieved by regional integration, of which the ECSC was the first step.

 

[JohannaK]

Yeah. Iean if war has to ever break out, it will, because nothing trumps human stupidity (except Trump, whose stupidity is superhuman), but it is one of the things you are told in history class when you get to the creation of the EU.

 

[bathsheba666]

The bolded part is true. The whole sentence IDK. Many people have no interest in history and don't care why something was created. I suspect that those people have never asked themselves and even if they have, have made no effort to know the answer. It's likely that it's not an accepted idea for those people

It's not

I dunno why such a thing came to be

Ah, but it is.

We are approaching the territory of "those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it", including the apparent rise of those who would believe Niggle Farridge in my own benighted island.

God help us.... shame she doesn't exist.