Is Britain about to leave the EU?

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Other than playing the "democratic patriotism" drum, not as far as I can tell, no. The Sun did run with the PM making a 'pledge' that if their readers back her, she'd back them, but the idea of a Tory government with the best interests of the working classes at hand is instantly risible.

In other news, the BBC has reported on the German reaction to the Brexit situation.
 
The current appeal is to "unity", although they've yet to give any explanation as to why we should want to unify, or what benefits unit will bring. The assumption seems to be that unity is a self-evidently Good Thing, and that will be enough to quiet the nagging voice that this all going to end very badly.
 
It wouldn't be nearly as bad if the government looked like they were in any mood to negotiate with anyone beyond: "these are our terms and you're a bully for not accepting them".

Presumably, with people like Edward thinking it a great insult that people aren't bowing to Britain just as-you-like, they don't feel the need to actually do diplomacy.
 
In the end, the British will be unhappy, and it will all be the EU's fault…

Headline in my rather serious morning paper was: "The British launch themselves over the edge of a cliff".

Maybe that's the strategy? Hoping the EU will still catch it...
A bit like the TBTF companies ten years ago? ‘Let's keep on doing this, someone will eventually rescue us so that we don't have to actually do things right by ourselves’?
The problem is, FIAT can't buy the UK. I think.

I want a link to that headline.
I don't get why we're suddenly acting like the United States. "We have everything you want and we know you're going to beg us to give it to you."

In fact, what with all the plaintive cries that the EU not instantly kowtowing would be considered aggressive and unreasonable, I'm starting to wonder if Trump's spirit has possessed May as well.
Probably. It's really Oerdin's position, the puny natives should tremble before our might and praise our majestic… majesty.
Actually that is one of my four big risks of Brexit. Conservative party ministers will talk themselves into doing daft deals.
Fixed that for you. It's a bit like Monsieur Gove.
The UK needs a critical review panel with some experienced and disinterested busnessmen to review proposed deals.
And health and safety men, environmental impact assessment, and of course some representatives of the workforce?
Hos does a deal on tariffs offers "nothing in return"? We lower ours, you lower yours.
Isn't that what the common market was, anyway, barring the tax rebates imposed on a helpless Britain by the EU during Thatcher's tenure?
The Indians had open borders with the UK when they were mostly part of the British Empire, but they wanted independence which the UK freely granted them.

That independence resulted in over a million British (and many anglo-indians) having to leave India in a hurry (repatriation by ancestry)
and it is pure cheek for the republic of India to now demand settlement rights in the much more densely populated United Kingdom.

Bearing in mind Anglo-Indian history, I don't mind them trying that line on, but we shouldn't give them anything more than an amused smile.

And I don't think that Theresa May will roll over and concede that in exchange for a vague promise that the UK may sell financial services in India.
Never mind the fact that the British and Anglo-Indians were the cogs of an expansionist imperialist engine that took their country by force in order to, not to beat around the bush, exploit their natural resources and workforce to profit the metropolis then.
I was as the time recollecting the population density of England itself which is over 400 per square km although I wrote down the United Kingdom.
It is the only part of the UK which actually voted to Leave.
The current appeal is to "unity", although they've yet to give any explanation as to why we should want to unify, or what benefits unit will bring. The assumption seems to be that unity is a self-evidently Good Thing, and that will be enough to quiet the nagging voice that this all going to end very badly.
Just as with Drumpf, ‘unity’ means ‘all of you do as I say, shut up except to cheer me on, I have a secret plan to make us #1 again or, failing that, at least #2’.
 
any new arguments about why people should totally go along with Brexit
EU is neoliberal dystopia

The current appeal is to "unity", although they've yet to give any explanation as to why we should want to unify, or what benefits unit will bring. The assumption seems to be that unity is a self-evidently Good Thing, and that will be enough to quiet the nagging voice that this all going to end very badly.
that's like exactly EU rhetoric
 
The current appeal is to "unity", although they've yet to give any explanation as to why we should want to unify, or what benefits unit will bring. The assumption seems to be that unity is a self-evidently Good Thing, and that will be enough to quiet the nagging voice that this all going to end very badly.
that's like exactly EU rhetoric
It's not as if the UK's representatives in the European Parliament and other bodies were from the same caste as the other politicians the UK has to offer…

#communicationproblems
 
How about this take:

EU's and Britains representatives are equally bad, so why would you want both?
 
Isn't that what the common market was, anyway, barring the tax rebates imposed on a helpless Britain by the EU during Thatcher's tenure?

Even after the "Thatcher" rebate, the UK remained (after Germany) the second biggest net contributor to the EEC/EC/European Union.
Even then we still paid more than France in most years because the financial shenigans of the city of London inflated GDP
and the UK has much less land than France so the UK benefited less from CAP payments. Now I have never advocated
Leaving because of that net contribution, but I do get a little tired of all this grumbling about the UK's special deal.


Never mind the fact that the British and Anglo-Indians were the cogs of an expansionist imperialist engine that took their country
by force in order to, not to beat around the bush, exploit their natural resources and workforce to profit the metropolis then.

The role of force in that is greatly over estimated. Suggest you look at respective population figures and death rates experienced by British from native diseases.
Anyway that is greed motivated capitalism, in the form of the East India Company, for you. Point is that the Indians wanted self determination and they got it.
I could have used other examples such as US colonies, Ireland or the break up of Czeckoslovakia but it wouldn't matter to those determined to ignore history.


It is the only part of the UK which actually voted to Leave.

You are wrong.

Wales voted to leave the European Union and by a larger margin than England.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36612308

854,572 (52.5%) voters in Wales chose to leave the EU, compared with 772,347 (47.5%) supporting Remain.


How about this take:

EU's and Britains representatives are equally bad, so why would you want both?

I think that you are getting the idea.

The theory that the bungling of one set will balance the bungling of the other set may be excessive optimism.
 
Point is that the Indians wanted self determination and they got it.
You make it sound like Indians tugged their collective forelocks, asked for
independence, and England just gave it to them.
 
Presumably, with people like Edward thinking it a great insult that people aren't bowing to Britain just as-you-like, they don't feel the need to actually do diplomacy.

What is insulting is you accusing me of holding views that I do not hold.

The Europeans have already met my very modest requirements of politely recognising the decision
the British people made by the referendum, and they did it a damm sight faster than the UK's liberal elite.

The only other thing I ask is that they do not wilfully mis-interpret customs regulations in such a way as to form an
embargo that would lead to a trade war; i.e. UK and EEC traded before 1973, and UK and EU to permit trade again.
 
Yawn. Are we still playing Brexit bingo? I thought that got overplayed several pages back.
It could go on for years and years.
The Leavers are mostly older voters, and the younger ones can push for
another referendum when they feel they have the numbers, and if the EU
would welcome Britain back.
Of course, a lot depends on the outcome of the SC appeal to be announced
on Tuesday.
 
Even after the "Thatcher" rebate, the UK remained (after Germany) the second biggest net contributor to the EEC/EC/European Union.
That's because the Common market saved the UK's economy. It was to get that leg up the UK joined in 70's after all. And WHEN it joined, it was the poorest member, so it got a hefty subsidy on its membership fee.

Then the UK availed itself, very adroitly — and you're most welcome to it — of the opportunities of the Common Market, becoming the relatively richest of the larger member states. While at the same time keeping the "poor-member-rebate". The UK payments just grew proportionally because the UK did very well out of its membership.

But now it thinks it's bad, and so it will be leaving.
 
That's because the Common market saved the UK's economy. It was to get that leg up the UK joined in 70's after all. And WHEN it joined, it was the poorest member, so it got a hefty subsidy on its membership fee.

Then the UK availed itself, very adroitly — and you're most welcome to it — of the opportunities of the Common Market, becoming the relatively richest of the larger member states. While at the same time keeping the "poor-member-rebate". The UK payments just grew proportionally because the UK did very well out of its membership.

But now it thinks it's bad, and so it will be leaving.

Try to imagine if it would leave - or even have a referendum - without what happened in the EU after 2008 :thumbsup: This isn't just the english being english. The calls for a referendum in the past (Blair period) were about securing they would not have the euro currency and keep the pound; they weren't about leaving the Eu. Enter 2004 (mass expansion with client microstates and others) and 2008- charade with austerity, and you have the current situation you don't like but remain myopic as to what caused it and choose to just blame the english/british for it.
 
I'm in Sweden. We don't do the Euro-thing either. Had a referendum and all. If there's someplace in the EU that resembles the UK in surprising ways, it's Sweden.
 
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