Bummer man. I guess Scotland or Canada could replace them.Does this mean England gets kicked out of Civ 6?
Is Britain about to leave the EU?
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No need. Younger people don't vote. A fact that contributed both to the current Brexit vote and the Scottish independence vote.
Does this mean England gets kicked out of Civ 6?
Not before the Babylonia or Carthage. The futue of England may not be that great but the past still stands out.
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If you have foreign currency then today is a good day to buy a Land Rover, or a London apartment, ...
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That didn't hold true yesterday. Young people (under 25) dominated the remain votes; and Pensioners (over 65) dominated the leave vote. Middle aged voters were 50/50 split and cancelled each other out.
No, I would wait a while until the bankers leave for Frankfurt and have to sell their apartments.
Akka
Moody old mage.
Oh, Farage is already tripping and choking about the "350 million pounds a week", admitting it was BS all along.
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Unless the UK breaks up: 100%.
They're not going to dismantle their nukes any time soon.
EnglishEdward
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I was 16 on the UK's accession to the EEC and 19 years old at the 1975 referendum.
But more fool me, I listened to what all our majority party senior politicians said.
There was no Internet then so we could hardly all read the treaty clauses.
I know now in hindsight that Ted Heath (PM then) knew that we would not join if he
distributed them; so we were fed misinformation about how our exports would boom.
We were told that the EEC was a compromise between the federalists who wanted a
federal state and the nationalists who wanted to retain six separate nation states and
that the goal of a full union was just put in as a vague aspiration statement that would
never materialise, and that we would have another opportunity to vote before that.
Which latter vote is in fact just what we voted on yesterday. The vote in 1975 was
about our people ratifying the government's entry two years earlier. Few of us paid
much attention to Harold Wilson's claimed favourable negotiation. We took the view that
we should be patient allowing time for the benefits of the export market to materialise.
They never did, but that was probably primarily due to the lack of competitiveness of
much of UK manufacturing compared to German, French and Italian businesses.
I should have listened to what Enoch Powell and Tony Benn were saying, but they
were widely portrayed as maverick eccentrics (racist and communist) respectively.
If the political union had been a light weight matter limiting itself to a few topics for
which there was clear agreement they could better be resolved at the European level,
we would have likely remained. However it became clear over the years that EU rules
were becoming all persuasive; and that the concept that EU Law overruled UK Law and
that of the specifically inbuilt ECJ bias to deciding on the base of an ever closer union
meant that continued membership of the EU was obliterating our self determination.
I would have preferred it, if the UK had accepted a two tier membership, but Margaret
Thatcher opposed it. She wanted a veto on the inner workings but without joining in.
And yes, the French may say 'perfidious Albion' wanting to eat the cake and have it.
Those members are likely to change only following a new world war. Which maybe will happen earlier than 2025, though...
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What makes you think the Euro's value is going to survive Article 50?
warpus
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The pound is going to be pounded a lot more than the euro as a result of all this nonsense. After it's all said and done it might end up being called an ounce.
Nothing, but I have less faith into the British pound. And it is certain that banks will downsize in London after Article 50.
Sturgeon said this? Cause it doesn't seem logical to think England would ever 'vote to leave the UK', given the UK's one and only permament member is England.
Judging by what happened today the Euro might take a big hit, but the Pound may lose its relevance...
Well there is a half-decent case to be made that English people are kind of screwed by the current setup of the UK, since they have no devolution. That is, the English don't get much of a say in internal Scottish matters, but the Scots do get a say in internal English ones. There's no English Parliament.
EnglishEdward
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This is not a legal argument, it is a political argument.
Some facts always change. The nature of politicians does not.
She is wrong, Scotland voted to remain in the UK full stop. There was no rider on
that ballot about the UK remaining in the EU or the Eurovision song contest.
I could just as easily state that Scotland voted to remain the UK given the fact
that the UK is a member of NATO, the UN and has a better football team.
The clear implication of that is actually that Scots get a vote in the referendum
(which they did yesterday) and share in the overall outcome.
Yesterday.
Not so because the facts are always changing which means that on the above basis all voting becomes nearly instantly obsolete which is a complete nonsense.
Then she is acting without authority, and going behind the back of the UK government.
It is inappropriate to do this until the Scots vote to leave the UK and to join the EU.
But the SNP only wants to call that when they are very confident they will win it.
I think that the UK should call her bluff and simply have another one next month.
But by delaying resigning by 3 months, David Cameron is lame duck blocking.
I think HMEIIR should appoint a replacement Prime Minister within the week.
the problem here may be that there is personal antagonism between two Etonians.
Well that is one way of walking away.
* Same legal precedent. The actual argument as presented by Sturgeon. 2016 map results would be invalid from the moment Scotland calls for 2nd referendum.[/QUOTE]
I'm picturing England (played by Hugh Grant) sitting on a retaining wall, getting drunk, shouting at Scotland (played by Sean Connery) that he never liked him and that he can just go on ahead and leave because he gots his best bud here, Wales (portrayed by a younger Anthony Hopkins), and they only need each other.
EnglishEdward
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Most of us English do not mind that.
We never minded having on one Welsh and two Scottish
Prime Ministers or our army ran by two Irish generals.
But we are getting a little tired of their tantrum tactic.
I want a referendum when I think I will win it, and if I don't win it,
I will want another one; and until then we will be deliberately
obstructive including preventing English & Welsh Laws on
hunting being adjusted to match Scottish Parliament laws.
Imagine:
Messenger: "Giant Alien Cabbages have landed on Edinburgh Castle"
Sturgeon: "This is a material change in circumstances for the UK, we are therefore
legally entitled to another referendum but only when I think the SNP will win it;
so that I can secretly and separately negotiate with these Giant Alien Cabbages."
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