That's clearly ludicrous. The Government certainly won't be doing that, even if it did have the money to do so.
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That's clearly ludicrous. The Government certainly won't be doing that, even if it did have the money to do so.
Traitorfish
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At least they've given up demanding that the trains be re-painted in 1950s colours. Never clear how that one was supposed to work.
bathsheba666
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Now I've also actually heard it also, so I guess it must be true.
Good grief. Some of those policies are lunatic.
The even worse thing is that it actually happened - First Great Western is indeed now called Great Western Railway once again.
#ForAMoreCircularCircleLine
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"Some" of them? I read the whole list and I didn't see one policy that wasn't borderline Nazism. If UKIP isn't even your furthest right party I fear for the future of the UK.
I don't know, cheaper beer sounds good
I got fliers from an openly fascist party when I lived there, its biggest (afaik) successor party is still active, and there are still Nazis running around
I got fliers from an openly fascist party when I lived there, its biggest (afaik) successor party is still active, and there are still Nazis running around
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Yeah, and just wait until all the people who voted Leave to keep out immigrants are told it's going to be impossible. They're going to (essentially accurately) see the hard right Leave stooges (Farage, Johnson, Gove, et al) as traitors and vote in some people who are really going to keep the foreigners out.
I don't see how that means anyone other than BNP and Britain First.
I don't see how that means anyone other than BNP and Britain First.
bathsheba666
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And now a second major pension company suspends dealings in their uk property fund.
Are we still the world's 5th largest economy? not for long...
Just went to transfer my pension funds out of stocks and property, but there's a 48 hour delay on the trade, so I'm borked...
Are we still the world's 5th largest economy? not for long...
Just went to transfer my pension funds out of stocks and property, but there's a 48 hour delay on the trade, so I'm borked...
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Oh, for Farage's sake. A 31% flat tax.
These far-right parties often get compared to Nazis, but that's unfair. UKIP, the German AfD and many other "populist" right-wing factions often have policies that even more pro-business and and pro-rich than the Nazis who at least supported a welfare state for the few people who conformed to their idea of Purity.
These new douchebags should be called National Capitalists. Natcaps.
National anything is a big sign of Nazi involvement to me
Britain First will never win a national election
Britain First will never win a national election
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"The Nazis will never win a national election" -some German guy in 1928
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To be fair, Germany wasn't a country that just one day decided to elect Nazis. It was a very unstable place with hyperinflation, several types of extremists and militias fighting in the streets and political assassinations. It was much closer to civil war than any Western country is today.
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Trust me, I know all of that. The Nazis didn't even "win" a national election because they never got more than a third of the votes.
My point is that things change. We may imagine that our liberal bubbles of respectability can't be punctured but that is a mere delusion. If Trump, the Leave victory, and other political events haven't woken people up to this fact they will not be woken up to it until the far right is in power.
My prediction is that things are going to continue to shift to a situation in which the far right has more and more of an advantage. Economic crisis will continue to recur as nothing has been done to address its causes. Migrants are going to continue to flood Europe as no solutions to the problems causing the migration are on the table.
The US may be in marginally better shape, but if a major financial crisis occurs during Clinton's presidency and the government is paralyzed and unable to respond effectively, I expect a similar rightward lurch to take place.
My point is that things change. We may imagine that our liberal bubbles of respectability can't be punctured but that is a mere delusion. If Trump, the Leave victory, and other political events haven't woken people up to this fact they will not be woken up to it until the far right is in power.
My prediction is that things are going to continue to shift to a situation in which the far right has more and more of an advantage. Economic crisis will continue to recur as nothing has been done to address its causes. Migrants are going to continue to flood Europe as no solutions to the problems causing the migration are on the table.
The US may be in marginally better shape, but if a major financial crisis occurs during Clinton's presidency and the government is paralyzed and unable to respond effectively, I expect a similar rightward lurch to take place.
Mise
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http://news.sky.com/story/1721982/watch-ken-clarke-ridicules-tory-candidates
Ken Clarke's on form today. Hopefully you can all see that video, as it's worth listening to just for his tone and manner.
Ken Clarke's on form today. Hopefully you can all see that video, as it's worth listening to just for his tone and manner.
Well of course you don't rely on liberals to get rid of Nazis, you rely on actual anti-fascists, which do kick Nazis off the streets, as they did in Sacramento last week. The British left is also starting to mobilize itself, Nazis aren't going to seize power without a fight there. Fascists won't be able to simply seize power in the UK or the US, economic crisis or not.
Also the imagery of a ''flood of migrants'' into Europe is generally used by right-wingers to dehumanize refugees
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west india man said:
As I've said before, color me skeptical that the left can ever match (let alone exceed) the fascists in the application of organized violence.
west india man said:
I don't think the 'seizure of power' is the right model, it's more a kind of 'creeping fascism' where politics shift right over time until suddenly you realize how insane it is that Hollande heads a "socialist" party and Clinton is presented as a left-wing candidate.
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Yes, I'm quite aware of that and I was speaking from the perspective of people who are fodder for these right-wingers.
As Noam Chomsky said recently, if you think there's a refugee crisis now you ain't seen nothin' yet. Syria and Libya give us a taste of what can happen when you add climate change to an already-straining global political order.
The general theme here is that I expect things to get worse in the future, not better, and I believe that the right generally wrings more advantage from chaos, violence, and fear than the left does.
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