Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Takhisis]

Can we at least stick with a version of Scandinavian or German until I've had time to learn French? Calling up my sisters all the time to have it translated is getting old.

vada fa- ahem, Translationer:

>The English language is now banned. Nous utiliserons exclusivement le Français à l'avenir, s'il vous plaît.
Die Anglische sprach ist ny verboten. We will use French in the future exclusively, if you please.
>C'est a cause du la vielle alliance, n'est ce pas?
This is because of the Auld Alliance, isn't it?
>Er, voulez vous la brioche dans la plantaine?
Erm, do you want the brioche inside the banana?​

 

[Mega Tsunami]

For someone who claimed to vote Remain, you certainly do enjoy using silly terms.

But what term can we use – Remainers is no more an English word than Bremoaners.

What about the term Blair suggested – ‘insurgents’. Will that do?

You guys are starting to sound like Richard Littlejohn in this bit about how the negotiations might proceed in Franglais:

The Mail:

Franglais could prove invaluable during the first round of proper negotiations between the British delegation, led by Theresa May, and the EU Commission, headed by Jean-Claude Drunker. So, mesdames and messieurs, Let’s Parler Brexit...

THERESA: Willkommen, bienvenue, welcome. Nous avez venir a Bruxelles pour le formal triggering de Article Cinquante.
DRUNKER: Ou est Appelle-Moi Dave?
THERESA: Il est kaput. Pain brun. Mort dans le water. Appelle-Moi Dave tombee sur his sword apres losing le referendum. Il etait dernier seen manger un sac de pommes frites sur le front de la mer dans Cornwall.
DRUNKER: Et qui est vous, cherie?
THERESA: Je ne suis pas Cherie, la Wicked Witch, vous imbecile. Je m’appelle Theresa May, la Prime Ministre de Royaume Uni.

Full report here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-imagines-negotiations-carried-Franglais.html

 

[Cheetah]

But what term can we use – Remainers is no more an English word than Bremoaners.

This isn't difficult, and I'm sure you know it.

Remainer sounds like a normally composited English word, combining 'remain' with the suffix '-er' to indicate that the 'remain' term is a property of a person. It is descriptive, and carry no normative judgement.

Remoaner/Bremoaner is also a combination of ('Brexit',) 'remain' and '-er', but with the added term 'moan' inside. It immediately carries a negative connotation, as moaning is not seen as a good or productive thing to do.

From what I've seen of UK media, it is remoaner is usually a descriptive given to people who not simply lament the decision of the Brexit vote, but to people who have reasonable and sensible questions and arguments concerning the situation.

As such, I find it hard to not see the use of such terms as childish and stupid, and the people who utter them in a non-sarcastic way as vain, arrogant and of lesser intelligence.

 

[Mega Tsunami]

@ Cheetah

Thanks for the pompous lecture.

Maybe if you lived in this country you would know words like Remoaner, Bremoaner and Brexiteer are being used all the time now, all over the place, in print, on the radio, on the TV.

It is, of course, already in the urban dictionary and has already been submitted to the Collins Dictionary as a new word.
It would not surprise me if it appeared in the OED one day.

Urban definition:
Remoaner: a person who does not get the right result from a democratic vote e.g. the vote from a yes / no referendum to exit or leave the European Union
It is only the remoaner that insists we have a second referendum in the hope the result will change or it is a remoaner that believes the future is bleak if a democratic vote decides a change from the status quo

 

[EnglishEdward]

From what I've seen of UK media, it is remoaner is usually a descriptive given to people who not simply lament the decision of
the Brexit vote, but to people who have reasonable and sensible questions and arguments concerning the situation.

An issue is that many are furious that the Remain side lost the referendum vote and have merely
used the excuse of asking questions and for plans as part and parcel of fairly obvious obstructionism.

I would not use the term Remoaner for those who are merely dissapointed and ask questions.

As such, I find it hard to not see the use of such terms as childish and stupid, and the
people who utter them in a non-sarcastic way as vain, arrogant and of lesser intelligence.

What terms would you rather I use for people like Tony Blair and others who took us into the European Union without giving us the
opportunity to vote in a referendum (like France or Ireland) beforehand and are now deliberately obstructive of the referendum outcome?

I suppose I could call them Fascists or Traitors instead.

 

[Arakhor]

Maybe if you lived in this country you would know words like Remoaner, Bremoaner and Brexiteer are being used all the time now, all over the place, in print, on the radio, on the TV.

It's a good thing that it certainly isn't being used condescendingly to dismiss what people say if it isn't demanding "hard Brexit", of course.

I suppose I could call them Fascists or Traitors instead.

Well, you could, but I'd expect any native Briton to use English words correctly.

 

[Cheetah]

@ Cheetah

Thanks for the pompous lecture.

Well, you did ask, so...

Maybe if you lived in this country you would know words like Remoaner, Bremoaner and Brexiteer are being used all the time now, all over the place, in print, on the radio, on the TV.

If this is true then you are all imminently well suited to be represented by such paragons of virtue as May, Johnson, Davis and Fox.

An issue is that many are furious that the Remain side lost the referendum vote and have merely used the excuse of asking questions and for plans as part and parcel of fairly obvious obstructionism.

I would not use the term Remoaner for those who are merely dissapointed and ask questions.

The referendum question was de jure advisory, de facto binding, and so ill-defined and open that it seems quite sensible to ask questions about which goals and plans there should be for leaving the EU. What kind of questions do you think deserve to be in the category 'fairly obvious obstructionism'?

 

[W|M]

What terms would you rather I use for people like Tony Blair and others who took us into the European Union without giving us the
opportunity to vote in a referendum (like France or Ireland) beforehand and are now deliberately obstructive of the referendum outcome?

the UK entered the EEC (EU) in 1973, Tony Blair became Prime Minister in 1997

 

[innonimatu]

The EEC was not the abomination the EU is.

 

[Mega Tsunami]

OK, OK – those words are indeed a bit silly and obviously offend so I, for one, will stop using them here.

the UK entered the EEC (EU) in 1973, Tony Blair became Prime Minister in 1997

I will tell you one thing Blair did – in 2006 he promised us referendum on the “Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe” as it was called then.
France and the Netherlands then had a vote on it and rejected it.
So the EU changed its name to the Lisbon Treaty and tried to pretend it was not a constitutional treaty any more (even though it was virtually the same as the before).
I don’t believe France got a second chance to vote and Blair decided we would not get a vote at all.
That’s Blair and the EU for you; each as bad as each other.

Reported widely at the time, Blair said (of his proposed referendum)
"If the British people vote 'no'[for the treaty], they vote 'no'. You can't keep bringing it back until they vote 'yes'.”
And yet here he is telling the Remainers ( ) they should become insurgents and reject our vote.

 

[Kyriakos]

If Blair meant to help the 'remain' cause, he should rather keep his bliar mouth shut, cause he isn't exactly popular outside the mps who rebel in the Labour party anyway

 

[Agent327]

(Reviews last posts) Isn't freedom of speech wonderful?

 

[JohannaK]

As bad as Blair might have been, he unfortunately cannot claim to bring the UK towards further integration in the EU. I know not if this is good or bad.

 

[Kyriakos]

I am more surprised by the Labour mps again doing the same crap after the electorate voted twice for Corbyn with a massive mandate.
Blair... he is a disgraced politician anyway. He mostly belonged behind bars for his bit in various wars, including of course Iraq war part II where he was instrumental. He was also a very key figure in the multi-month's bombing of Serbia and iirc he was in favour of also a ground attack (but it didn't happen due to the huge death-toll on the allied side as well if that would take place).

 

[Arakhor]

OK, OK – those words are indeed a bit silly and obviously offend so I, for one, will stop using them here.

Thank you.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

BREMOANERRRRRRSSS

 

[Arakhor]

And now on "Late Night Zombie Politics"...

 

[Silurian]

It looks like there could have been a major oversight by the government in drawing up the referendum question.

There is no mention of leaving the EEA which is a separate entity and has its own exit process, with Article 127 to trigger leaving.

From BBC

"The government is facing a legal battle over whether the UK stays inside the single market after it has left the EU, the BBC has learned.

Lawyers say uncertainty over the UK's European Economic Area membership means ministers could be stopped from taking Britain out of the single market.

They will argue the UK will not leave the EEA automatically when it leaves the EU and Parliament should decide.

But the government said EEA membership ends when the UK leaves the EU

The single market allows the tariff-free movement of goods, services, money and people within the EU.

The EEA, set up in the 1990s, extends those benefits to some non-EU members like Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein.

Non-EU members are outside the Common Agricultural Policy and customs union, but get barrier free trade with the single market in return for paying into some EU budgets and accepting the free movement of workers."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38126899

 

[Kyriakos]

If Britain stays in the EEA more polish, bulgarian and romanian people will be able to migrate there

Which may be good for myself, if i end up emigrating back anyway. Although i might be able to apply for citizenship regardless, given i lived for 3 years there.

 

[Silurian]

The EEA does allow some limited restrictions on movement of people. Im not sure what this result would do to the infighting within the Conservative Party, most likely send some parts into orbit. But it would remove many of the financial downside from Brexit.