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Is the only solution to obesity a change in social behaviour?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Orange Seeds, Mar 8, 2010.

  1. bathsheba666

    bathsheba666 Fast 'n Bulbous

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    The first thing we should do is prevent beef producers and restaurants being allowed to pass off minced brains as meat...
     
  2. JohnRM

    JohnRM Don't make me destroy you

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    A significant problem within the western world is that in order to obtain food, you have but to purchase it at a local grocery store. Many of us have jobs that keep us in chairs all day, but pay well. Food, in America, is plentiful and cheap. Therefor, many of us can afford a lot of food at the minimum of activity.
     
  3. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    We need more education on what's healthy and what's not, and for parents to be able to cook quick, healthy meals for their children, with appropriate portion sizes.
     
  4. Leifmk

    Leifmk Deity

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    What the heck is wrong with organ meats? Nutritious stuff, shouldn't go to waste.
     
  5. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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    Indeed, and corn and other grain subsidies are also an indirect subsidy to meat producers. What he's saying doesn't really disagree with what you're saying.
     
  6. nc-1701

    nc-1701 bombombedum

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    The problem with the argument against exercise is that they are measuring only the people's weight. Exercise will actually increase a persons weight by building muscle fiber, which is much heavier than fat. But muscle weight is far healthier than fat weight and much more attractive. The fact is that regardless of a person weight they cannot be healthy if they don't exercise even people who manage to eat well and stay skinny without exercise are not very healthy. Think about the skinny nerd kids you see from time to time with the pale skin and fragile little wrists, they aren't fat, but they still aren't much healthier than someone who is somewhat overweight.
    Fact is exercise isn't great weight loss, but it is good for preventing and even losing fat, and it is an extremely important part of keeping a person healthy.
     
  7. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Let me use Poland as a counterexample here.

    In Poland, when you come over to someone's house for some sort of a social gathering, there will be food on the table. There will be food, vodka, and likely beer. You will eat a lot, and the hosts will insist that you eat even more. They will make you sandwiches you don't want; They will fill you up with all sorts of good stuff.

    Now, the thing is that there isn't an obesity problem in Poland (last time I checked). Why is this? Probably because people don't go out to restaurants nearly as much as staying at home and cooking something up instead.

    The problem isn't social eating - the problem is the crap that restaurants serve, large portion sizes, and a refusal by people to stay at home and cook for themselves. It's not really that difficult to entertain people at your own home - and to cook something for them. It's easy and can be a lot more healthy than eating out at a restaurant.

    edit: When I was in Poland in 2004, WE WERE INVITED TO SO MANY DINNERS THAT IT MADE MY HEAD HURT.. every 2nd day, there was a dinner at somebody's place.. and sometimes we'd GO TO TWO.. and what happens at one of these dinners? Imagine a full table with sandwiches, soups, bottles of vodka, beer, coldcuts, etc. It is sheer insanity.. this has been going on in Poland for centuries.
     
  8. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Yeah, the laziness factor is definitely at play here. I am usually fairly tired when I get home from work - who the hell wants to go grocery shopping and then spend an hour cooking up a meal, when you can easily get something made for you at a restaurant, in a pleasant atmosphere?.. or even drop by the local fast food joint, and get something cheap and somewhat tasty?

    The thing is that cooking your own stuff can feel incredibly rewarding.. It's pretty much the main reason why I do it!.. Ever since I started cooking for myself, my happiness levels have gone up. I love to cook, and as such I don't mind going grocery shopping - to find all the right ingredients, hunt for some items on sale, see what else they have that I could use, etc. It's so much easier to just go home and order in, but cooking for yourself 1. can be incredibly rewarding psychologically, 2. will save you money, 3. will make you eat healthier, 4. will impress the ladies

    Eating socially is not a problem - going out to eat all the time, is.
     
  9. Orange Seeds

    Orange Seeds playing with cymbals

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    Why do people eat out all the time?
     
  10. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    1. Too lazy to cook/learn how to cook, 2. the covenience, 3. american restaurants are cheap, american fast food is even cheaper
     
  11. JohnRM

    JohnRM Don't make me destroy you

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    Fast food prices are almost as high as regular diner prices as to warrant calling them "cheap", a myth. For example, what I typically order, a burger meal with fries and a soda, costs me seven bucks. I get a double cheeseburger or 1/4 pounder with everything. I go to my favorite restaurant and get a cup of beef barley soup, a club sandwich, and a soda (or beer) for nine bucks. That is more than enough. The fast food just barely does it, for me, and is usually a sloppy mess. Plus, what are you really getting? A pile of potatoes, some bush, and bun, and cheap burger.
     
  12. SS-18 ICBM

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    What percentage of American restaurants does your experience cover?
     
  13. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    The South is fatty, the problem is the effectively subsidized junk food, the Burger, the Chips the soda, all subsidized! cooking at home is satisfying, IMO Fast Food/Restaurant Chains are the problem, Mom & Pop ones typically aren't as greasy (In my city)... exercise is good but the only thing you need to do to lose weight is use more energy than you consume, it doesn't matter how
     
  14. Elta

    Elta 我不会把这种

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    My polls have shown there is more of this in OT than fat kids.


    Just throwing that out there.
     
  15. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    I was calling it cheap cause it's cheaper than here in Canada. But yeah, your restaurants are super cheap.

    Went to a fancy looking place in Washington D.C. once and got steak, mashed potatoes, salad, gravy, pint o newcastle, a fancy looking dude brought the food, there was a freakin FIREPLACE right in front of the restaurant (yeah, some sort of a fancy outdoorlike fireplace). My bill came to like.. $15 or some ridiculous crap like that.. and better yet, THERE'S LIKE, NO TAXES&!$ I have no idea how you guys pay for your roads and schools and crap with the whole "almost no taxes" deal, but keep it up. Will visit again.
     
  16. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    We don't simple as that
     
  17. Zelig

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    Dude, the McDonald's in my town has a fireplace.

     
  18. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    This one was outdoors! Maybe it was more like a fire... coming out of the ground. It was some sort of attempt at artsyfartsyness, either way.
     
  19. Defiant47

    Defiant47 Peace Sentinel

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    Apparently not. One can use 10 times the energy one consumes and will still get fat.
     
  20. wicshade

    wicshade crazy, militant farmer

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    The problem is progression of man has lead us away from our proper Sustenance. And sometimes we use food to escape.

     

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