Is the term "r*****k" offensive?

(and pls, don't return to your old habit of editing your post 10 times in a row, and 10 min after the other person answered you, cause it makes discussion even more pointless... :p Seems like you are now set to make this thread about Greece, good for you, gone fishing)
 
And please. Stop acting like this is a chat room, instead of a forum where we are encouraged to edit our posts instead of just posting over and over again in a rapid fire fashion. :crazyeye:

From September 2014:

Greece, a front line for state-sponsored racism in Europe

On Aug. 2, a group of unidentified men savagely attacked a Pakistani immigrant in Athens, leaving him hospitalized with a broken jaw and multiple bruises. Five days later, Ashkan Najafi, a native of Iran, was severely beaten and stabbed 12 times in Piraeus, a port city south of Athens. He required at least 60 stitches.

These are but two reports of the criminal xenophobia bubbling across Greece. While the anti-Semitic, ultra-right-wing members of and sympathizers with the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party are largely responsible for the violence, Greece’s political leaders, law enforcement and judicial system have clearly failed to stem the tide.

Greece is not the only European Union member facing a surge of ultra-right-wing, anti-immigrant groups. However, its deep economic slump, dire poverty, massive unemployment fostered by austerity policies and lack of comprehensive immigration laws have turned Greece into an advanced laboratory for institutionalized racism in Europe.

State complacence

Over the last few years, nongovernmental organizations have attempted to raise awareness of the racist attacks perpetrated by members of and sympathizers with Golden Dawn across Greece. Confronting resistance from authorities over the extent of the problem, investigations led by Human Rights Watch, Doctors of the World and the Greek Council for Refugees found sustained attacks against immigrants and refugees. Similarly, the Racist Violence Recording Network, a project by the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees in Greece, documented 151 hate crimes against refugees and migrants in 2012 and 143 similar incidents in 2013.

The slight decline in indiscriminate violence has been attributed to the prosecution of Golden Dawn leaders, including the jailing in September 2013 of its general secretary, Nikolaos Michaloliakos. But these show trials present a misleading image of a Greece that is successfully combating xenophobia. In the last European elections, Golden Dawn gained nearly 9.4 percent of the vote. Other evidence reveals that ultra-right ideologies have penetrated state institutions.

The police appear to be at the forefront of state-sponsored racism in Greece. Migrants and refugees I interviewed in Athens this summer complained of arbitrary stops, intrusive searches and racial slurs by police officers. In 2012 the Greek police initiated Operation Xenios Zeus, designed to track immigrants residing unlawfully in Athens. It led to the arrest of some 85,000 foreigners, of whom only 6 percent were undocumented. The European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights questioned the constitutionality of Xenios Zeus, stressing that the police were engaged in “illegal activity” on behalf of Golden Dawn. Despite this warning, Greek police launched a similar operation in July, Operation Theseus, mainly aimed at curbing illegal immigration.

The judiciary has also failed to tackle xenophobia. Worryingly, some judges appear to be aiding ultra-right causes. In the past few weeks, a naval court in Piraeus closed an investigation into the responsibility of the coast guard for Afghan refugees who were drowned during an illegal pushback attempt in January. Similarly, a court in Patras acquitted farmers who had shot Bangladeshi workers after they demanded six months of unpaid wages. Many human rights organizations, including the Greek Council for Refugees has criticized the multiple procedural flaws that led to these two alarming judicial failures.

Racial discrimination appears to have been tolerated by the newly elected Greek parliament and Prime Minister Antonis Samaras’ government, according to a new report by the nonprofit group Human Rights First. After months of fierce opposition, an anti-racism law was finally passed on Sept. 9 in order to adapt Greek legislation to international standards. The bill tightens criminal sanctions for hatred, discrimination and violence but has glaring holes in enforcement.

“The bill does not include measures to encourage reporting of violent hate crimes or to ensure appropriate action by the police and judiciary to counter hate violence,” Human Rights Watch said in a statement.

The light bulb has to recognize the problem even exists and want to change.
 
While confronting racists seems like as good an idea as any, and I am certainly as willing to participate as anyone, I doubt that it really makes much difference. Racism will die out, possibly in a surprisingly small number of generations, but none of us are going to see it.
 
If someone has problems with racism in his country it means he's not allowed to say anything about racism in another one?
 
Yes. That is exactly what I'm stating. :crazyeye:
 
I'm not trying to be argumentative really but it kind of sounds like it.
Right. As usual. :rolleyes:

So you think this statement isn't in the least bit hypocritical given that Golden Dawn comprises over 10% of the Greek population. That even the police and the judicial system basically look the other way in many cases and allow them to beat up immigrants with near impunity?

And i think that the US should try to solve this racial hatred issue, cause banning and shaming won't solve anything. It never has. And such tensions must be minimised...
Kyriakos has already claimed in a previous thread that Greece simply doesn't have a real problem with racism, completely unlike the rest of Europe. Just like many conservative talking heads on Fox News claim that the US doesn't have any serious problem anymore.

Can you imagine if the KKK comprised 10% of the US population? Or that half of the Tea Party were as overtly racist as at least 10% of the population of Greece?

Spoiler :
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Right. As usual. :rolleyes:

So you think this statement isn't in the least bit hypocritical given that Golden Dawn comprises over 10% of the Greek population. That even the police and the judicial system basically looks the other way in many cases and allow them to beat up immigrants with near impunity?

Kyriakos has already claimed in a previous thread that Greece simply doesn't have a real problem with racism, completely unlike the rest of Europe. Just like many conservative talking heads of Fox News claim that the US doesn't have any serious problem anymore.

Ok hopefully you're done editing by now.

I think it is only hypocritical if he supports that particular party and doesn't acknowledge any racist views they may have.

It reminds me of a forum I was reading where an American was working in Europe without a permit. People were criticizing him for his country's immigration policy without even knowing if he supports it.

If Kyriakos has said before that Greece doesn't have a problem with racism then it might be better to bring that up instead of numerous posts with lengthy articles.

Edit - OK you weren't done editing.
 
I think it is only hypocritical if he supports that particular party and doesn't acknowledge any racist views they may have.
Supporting them obviously has nothing to do with it. It is IGNORING, as well as not acknowledging, them which is the problem.

If Kyriakos has said before that Greece doesn't have a problem with racism then it might be better to bring that up instead of numerous posts with lengthy articles.

Edit - OK you weren't done editing.
So much for not being intentionally "argumentative" :crazyeye:
 
That isn't the meaning of the term at all.

Cracker (pejorative)

There is no mention at all of "slave driver" or "bully" in the entire article except for this source of obvious misinformation.

:lol:Your source is Wiki and you expect completeness. Even wiki refers to a whip cracking.

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Right. As usual. :rolleyes:

So you think this statement isn't in the least bit hypocritical given that Golden Dawn comprises over 10% of the Greek population. That even the police and the judicial system basically look the other way in many cases and allow them to beat up immigrants with near impunity?

Kyriakos has already claimed in a previous thread that Greece simply doesn't have a real problem with racism, completely unlike the rest of Europe. Just like many conservative talking heads on Fox News claim that the US doesn't have any serious problem anymore.

Can you imagine if the KKK comprised 10% of the US population? Or that half of the Tea Party were as overtly racist as at least 10% of the population of Greece?

Spoiler :
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/meh

Some points in the ocean of falsehoods in your post:

-GD had around 6,7% of the last vote (2015 elections), that isn't really 'over10%'; it is not even near it. Their trend is downward as well if one goes by all polls.

-I obviously never claimed i am ok with racism. Not sure how you can even spout such nonsense as if it can stand. Anyway, i never voted for GD either, i did vote for Syriza in the previous election and i am still happy i did cause any other party would be worse. And Syriza is by all means not racist or 'right' or other such stuff.

-Trying to make it as if Greece has an issue with race tension or racism or whatever of this order, comparable to countries like the US... is rather sloppy if not downright mimicking a horse running blindfolded into a river where it will drown. We aren't even having a major racism issue when compared to the european average. Many euro countries actually have openly zenophobic parties in government, let alone large percentages for countries one can (in one way or another) term as 'far-right'. So again your haste to attack me as if i (or Greece) are in some way tied to racism... is not a good idea at all.

-And read my posts, cause i am in no way against limiting or otherwise cancelling racism in the US. I did note, though, that i surely am of the view that this won't be achieved by a media-driven culture of kneejerk shaming. If anything this will lead people who aren't actually racist to feel alienated from how the debate is run.

Now maybe try to return the thread to what it is about, cause i doubt it is about Greece :jesus:
 
:lol:Your source is Wiki and you expect completeness. Even wiki refers to a whip cracking.
I see you didn't actually bother to read it, nor the message I posted above where I specifically referred to it.
 
-We aren't even having a major racism issue when compared to the european average.
Neither is the US. It's just a favorite news story of the left. Many minority communities are more concerned about the crime which drives the alleged police brutality, or the terrible track record of public schools serving minority communities. Literally generations of black and latino students have been forced into failing schools. Talk about institutionalized racism. But, catching one cop using force in a partial cell phone video, which doesn't even include the actions leading up to the use of force, is apparently far more noteworthy.
 
I'll just say again that individual words alone are not offensive.

I take far more offense over people asking me where I came from as opposed to using a singular racial slur against me.
 
Some points in the ocean of falsehoods in your post:
Some points about your own "ocean of falsehoods":

-GD had around 6,7% of the last vote (2015 elections), that isn't really 'over10%'; it is not even near it. Their trend is downward as well if one goes by all polls.
I didn't say anything about the last election. But if you bothered to even read the highlight portion above, you will notice it stated that DG had 9.4% of the last European elections. I'm not sure where I got the 10% but it isn't that far off at all.

-I obviously never claimed i am ok with racism.
And I obviously never stated you were. Read it again. :crazyeye:

-Trying to make it as if Greece has an issue with race tension or racism or whatever of this order, comparable to countries like the US... is rather sloppy if not downright mimicking a horse running blindfolded into a river where it will drown.
I also made it quite clear above I never stated or insinuated anything like that.

Do you even bother to read my posts before responding to them?

We aren't even having a major racism issue when compared to the european average.
This is exactly what I was referring to. It is quite obvious that Greece has a huge problem with racism when a party like the Golden Dawn is the third largest party with a such large number of representatives in Parliament when they should have zero. Where 1 out of 2 of the Athens police are suspected of being members. Where the police and the courts turn a blind eye towards these thugs beating immigrants senseless with near impunity.

Point out a single other European country that has such a large neo-Nazi party that engages in conduct such as this in their capital. :crazyeye:
 
UK and UKIP / BNP?
 
And please. Stop acting like this is a chat room, instead of a forum where we are encouraged to edit our posts instead of just posting over and over again in a rapid fire fashion.
It's obnoxious to keep editing posts before the other person has a chance to even finish composing their reply. It's not like you're on a daily limit of posts you're allowed here.

I'm really going to be relieved when the email problem is fixed so we can finally know what everyone's original posts said.

If someone has problems with racism in his country it means he's not allowed to say anything about racism in another one?
I don't see a problem with pointing out the problems of another country as long as the pointer isn't a hypocrite about the problems in his own country (or her own country; I've been honest about Canada's issues).
 
It's obnoxious to keep editing posts before the other person has a chance to even finish composing their reply. It's not like you're on a daily limit of posts you're allowed here.
Only I obviously have no idea that someone is posting within seconds of me hitting the send key. Now do I?

And until someone else posts, there is clearly a rule about posting again.

So what were you just saying about "obnoxious"?

:crazyeye:
 
Is that obnoxious? I got a warning recently for making too many posts and was told to use edit and multiquote.
 
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