Is this board dying?

I think one issue might be that we have all these subforums that don't see a lot of use. History doesn't see much action for instance. As a result I only check in there once a week or worse. Personally I would be tempted to merge all subforums that are essentially off-topic and don't see a ton of action into one big off-topic forum.. The way things are now we spread out our discussions so thin, so I think a lot of people pretty much forget that the other subforums exist. Or assume that nothing is going to be going on there anyway, so they focus on hanging out in off-topic where most of the action happens. But then off-topic is so packed with American political discussions that I think it ends up making some posters disinterested in sticking around to some sort of a dedicated degree that would spur more discussion

I'd personally split out politics into its own subforum as well, since it's guaranteed to get a lot of action. I can't think of another topic that would warrant its own sub-forum. News/politics? But that's me and I have not considered all sorts of other things the mods and admins know about that we don't.
If people would post stuff in the appropriate subforum in the first place - and if this was actually enforced - these subforums would be a lot busier.

The first forum I ever joined was one dedicated to tabletop RPGs (ie. Dungeons & Dragons). There was a General Talk forum, but things like TV shows, movies, books, comics, writing, etc. had to be posted in the Media forum - strictly enforced. As a result, the people who wanted to talk about TV shows, movies, books, comics, writing, etc. knew exactly which part of the board to post in, and it was a busy, thriving part of the forum.

If all the Colosseum subforums were merged back into OT, we'd have a front page full of politics, religion, and serial threads and everything else would be pushed so many pages down, we'd never find it. And since the search feature here is not that good (to put it charitably), this would be a great way to kill OT.
 
If people would post stuff in the appropriate subforum in the first place - and if this was actually enforced - these subforums would be a lot busier.

The first forum I ever joined was one dedicated to tabletop RPGs (ie. Dungeons & Dragons). There was a General Talk forum, but things like TV shows, movies, books, comics, writing, etc. had to be posted in the Media forum - strictly enforced. As a result, the people who wanted to talk about TV shows, movies, books, comics, writing, etc. knew exactly which part of the board to post in, and it was a busy, thriving part of the forum.

If all the Colosseum subforums were merged back into OT, we'd have a front page full of politics, religion, and serial threads and everything else would be pushed so many pages down, we'd never find it. And since the search feature here is not that good (to put it charitably), this would be a great way to kill OT.
I know you want it this way, but as @Cheetah said to me the other day, he loves history discussions but forgets to bother to check World History but would totally post more history posts if the threads were in OT. History threads are proof in the pudding, the moderation of sub forums is strict in this regard. We get more traffic with consolidation.
 
I've been part of the Civilization community online since about 2001. The release of Civilization 3 was really the catalyst for Civfanatics and Apolyton pushing out some of the earlier communities because they were able to attract modders and manage challenges and leagues. I believe this one reached its peak in off-topic sometime around 06-08.

It feel like it's kind of been on the decline (OT at least) since the release of Civilization 5. A lot of members grew up and new platforms like reddit emerged too. The idea of off topic becoming stale isn't new though so I am not surprised it's being noticed. It seems to chug along in its own way. It's been interesting over the last say 15 years to watch the change in dynamics here, it's why I return every now and then to check out the posts. Probably a lot more lurkers I imagine too.
 
If we're doing our usual complaining I'd say the moderation standards and segregation of content have drained this forum. I find myself posting more on reddit, because it's borderless, mostly self-regulating and less censorious on the majority of subs. Which is a shame, because this place had a lot of smart and interesting people with interesting thoughts.
 
If all the Colosseum subforums were merged back into OT, we'd have a front page full of politics, religion, and serial threads and everything else would be pushed so many pages down, we'd never find it.

The new alert feature, in the top right, is how I find all my threads. It usually alerts me when someone responds to one of my posts or if there's new posts in any of the threads I've been in recently. I mainly use that to navigate the site. I find it very helpful because before they switched over to the new theme I would look through every single thread in the index and open the ones I thought I might be interested in new tabs. That took up a lot more time and like you said it was easy to miss stuff on the second page and beyond. I still do that but a lot more casually - we seem to be getting a lot less new threads than in the past so it's a lot more manageable. The alerts keep me on top of the discussions I'm involved in and most of the time that's all I care about

I've been harping on about U.S. politics because in my mind if there is such a large sub-section of the site about a specific .. genre.. then to me that implies that there should be a subforum for the genre/subject/whatever. Enough people seem to talk about Entertainment related issues, so we have an Entertainment subforum to talk about all that. Makes sense to me. So why not having one for politics? In contrast we have a subforum for "Computer Talk" and there's hardly anything going on in there. Logistically speaking and from a usability point of view that doesn't make sense to me. IMO it just leads to people avoiding that subforum because they know that it's dead and it leads to greenhorns looking at the OT forum and concluding that it's perhaps not for them because they don't care about politics.

I bet a lot of thought and strategy has gone into the forum's and subforums' design, so it must make sense from some point of view that I'm not privy to. Which is fine. And I don't think the forum is dying, but I remember it being a lot livelier with a lot of different topics being discussed. Which as has already been pointed out is something I could help improve, but I'm just one user and it's a lot easier to just point out the problems and sit back and take a sip of my drink and move on
 
I've notice a worrying trend in which fewer and fewer new threads are made...I don't know if it's because of the new board format or what, but I think the boards are slowly dying...
for OT, while fewer threads are made, they last way longer than they used to

It might not fully even out, but the decrease in activity isn't as large as the rate of thread creation would suggest
 
I'm only checking the OT section, but I think the forum is still going.

As @Hygro said. I'd like to merge all the OT forums into one though. I think that would make for more diverse and interesting threads, with more activity overall.

My current problem is that I'm a bit pressed for time, so I haven't had much time to post. There were some good, longer posts in some interesting threads that I want to go through properly too, so I've halted reading those threads until I have the time to properly go through them... Hopefully my activity should bounce back again a bit when I get more time.
 
I don't think it is boring. While a lot of the old guard has moved on, we have also gotten some influx of new posters. It might not be as active as it was but OT is a long way from death.
 
I'd agree with the merge, I'd like to see a variety of topics in a single place like it used to be before.
 
How can Reddit be a problem? Last I looked it was overrun by Trumptrolls. It was like being here, but attacked from the other side.

J
 
How can Reddit be a problem? Last I looked it was overrun by Trumptrolls. It was like being here, but attacked from the other side.

J

Reddit is largely an experience that you dictate, much the same as Tumblr. If you curate your feed properly, you can go weeks or months without ever seeing a denizen from The_Donald in their natural habitat.
 
If we're doing our usual complaining I'd say the moderation standards and segregation of content have drained this forum. I find myself posting more on reddit, because it's borderless, mostly self-regulating and less censorious on the majority of subs. Which is a shame, because this place had a lot of smart and interesting people with interesting thoughts.

I browse reddit quite often, however I find it horrible for discussion due to the way comments and upvotes/downvotes work.

How can Reddit be a problem? Last I looked it was overrun by Trumptrolls. It was like being here, but attacked from the other side.

J

It's been quite some time since reddit changed it's algorithms to not allow The_Donald to hit the front page. The biggest issue is that reddit is a shilling heaven. Admins/mods sold themselves to highest bidder, in this case people who obviously gain something from pushing sjw/liberal agenda. Not only that basically anyone can pay to have anything promoted (given a high number of upvotes). The /r/politics subreddit has to be one of the biggest shilling hellholes I have ever seen. People dwell on Russian shills going around various web sites and leaving comments and yet I've never seen anyone mention the behemoth of shilling, one of the most visited websites on the internet aka reddit.



Out of all forums that I visit I find civfanatics to be among, if not, the liveliest ones. Still quite a lot of talk going on in almost all the subforums. Forums are a dying bread, the only ones that are still going are usually niche ones. I still prefer the way forums handle topics an comments, especially the lack of any sort of scoring system on posts.
 
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The new alert feature, in the top right, is how I find all my threads. It usually alerts me when someone responds to one of my posts or if there's new posts in any of the threads I've been in recently. I mainly use that to navigate the site. I find it very helpful because before they switched over to the new theme I would look through every single thread in the index and open the ones I thought I might be interested in new tabs. That took up a lot more time and like you said it was easy to miss stuff on the second page and beyond. I still do that but a lot more casually - we seem to be getting a lot less new threads than in the past so it's a lot more manageable. The alerts keep me on top of the discussions I'm involved in and most of the time that's all I care about
I depend on the alerts as well, and they're nice in that they tell me if someone "liked" a post (a little praise is a good thing now and then).

With vBulletin, I had my preferences set to 40 posts/page, 40 threads/page (the maximum, I believe). That meant a lot less time wasted on loading new pages, and greater likelihood of finding interesting stuff on the first page. XenForo doesn't allow that flexibility.

I've been harping on about U.S. politics because in my mind if there is such a large sub-section of the site about a specific .. genre.. then to me that implies that there should be a subforum for the genre/subject/whatever. Enough people seem to talk about Entertainment related issues, so we have an Entertainment subforum to talk about all that. Makes sense to me. So why not having one for politics? In contrast we have a subforum for "Computer Talk" and there's hardly anything going on in there. Logistically speaking and from a usability point of view that doesn't make sense to me. IMO it just leads to people avoiding that subforum because they know that it's dead and it leads to greenhorns looking at the OT forum and concluding that it's perhaps not for them because they don't care about politics.
Something TrekBBS did several years ago was to make a U.S. Politics subforum just for the duration of the presidential election campaign, and after it was over, the threads were just folded back into the main forum. It made it a lot nicer for the non-Americans and people who weren't into talking about that stuff, and those who did want to discuss it could do so without being grouched at by the people who didn't like to see 10 threads on the first page that dealt with the election.

What I'd prefer, actually, is a subforum of OT for the serial threads. That way the old ones wouldn't have to be archived and forgotten, and many of the excellent posts not even counted in literal terms. I'd held off for a long time posting in those threads because it just seems like a waste of effort when they end up archived - because how many people remember they're there? Sometimes it would be nice to go back and read some of the conversations - maybe turn them into a thread if there's scope for new discussion.

I'd also like an index of the "Ask" threads. Of course it would take a great deal of manual effort to put one together, since we can't actually do a search for them (the word "ask" is too short and too common, so the search is disallowed).

One reason why I rarely start new threads is the preponderance of religion, politics, American pop culture, and serial threads, which give the impression that nobody's interested in Canadian stuff. So most of what I want to say gets said on CBC.ca, where the moderation is... incompetent and unaccountable, to put it nicely. There's a lot to talk about, but considering the reluctance some people seem to have to treat Canada as anything but a dumb joke, I've been reluctant to make the effort. Why bother, when it will just be spammed?

I bet a lot of thought and strategy has gone into the forum's and subforums' design, so it must make sense from some point of view that I'm not privy to. Which is fine. And I don't think the forum is dying, but I remember it being a lot livelier with a lot of different topics being discussed. Which as has already been pointed out is something I could help improve, but I'm just one user and it's a lot easier to just point out the problems and sit back and take a sip of my drink and move on
Some forums and subforums are standard on most sites (or should be). Those would include a "welcome to the forum" area where the rules are laid out (and kept up to date), a "how to do ____" subforum (upload an avatar, change a sig, use the search feature, use BBCode, etc.), a subforum for questions, comments, and feedback, and a subforum where new people can say hello and introduce themselves. This stuff is basic, but it's amazing how some forum owners either don't bother, or consider it a waste of time - and then wonder why some people get frustrated because they're having trouble. It's like inviting someone to your home and then snarling at them because they don't know the house rules and you didn't bother to mention them - just assumed that people would know them automatically.

The main area where the thought and creativity come in is deciding how to organize the categories, forums, and subforums that pertain to the main reason for the forum's existence. CFC is well-organized in terms of the Civ area, for example.

Of course every site needs an off-topic area. It drove me nuts on TWoP (Television Without Pity) in that they would allow people to discuss Sonny Corinthos (the General Hospital character) having bipolar disorder, but they would delete the posts and infract the poster if they said so much as a sentence about Maurice Benard the actor having bipolar disorder or anything about the disease itself.

The visuals matter. I'm using the black forum skin right now because it's more restful on the eyes than the others. I miss the old blue forum skin I had. Even smileys matter. Petek installed the hug smileys I asked for - :hug: and :grouphug: - and it's appreciated that we can ask for new ones and get them if a good enough reason is presented as to why they would be beneficial and not abused. Would you believe that TrekBBS doesn't even have a tribble smiley? The admins there are not receptive to new smiley requests, even if they're absolutely relevant to the board.

On the Invision forums I run, we have many smileys. Many. There can never be too many. The avatar sizes are quite generous as well, since people like to be creative. Some avatars are miniature works of art, and people should be able to show them off as long as they're not the kind to invoke the Wrath of Google for being "inappropriate" or are too busy.

TrekBBS has avatar contests in most of the forums there. I've entered (won a few times), and they're fun. My suggestion to have this activity here went over like the proverbial lead balloon, though, and I honestly don't understand why. It's all in fun, the winner chooses the theme for the next contest, and people can find new avatars to use if they want.

I'm only checking the OT section, but I think the forum is still going.

As @Hygro said. I'd like to merge all the OT forums into one though. I think that would make for more diverse and interesting threads, with more activity overall.
It took a long time to lobby for the A&E forum, and convince the admins to allow it. There is a definite need for it to remain separate, for the sake of the creative activities there that would get swallowed up and lost in OT. The DYOS guys were pushed around from forum to forum to forum in years past, and lost some of their material to arbitrary pruning. Last I heard, they're still content to have a home in A&E where they can discuss their stories and art without risk of anything being deleted or moved somewhere else. As for Iron Pen... if there was any chance at all of it making a go in OT, I'd have tried it already. I sincerely doubt it would remain on the main page for longer than a day, if even that long. It's an activity that relies not only on the writers, but on other people being willing to read and critique the stories (in a constructive way). That can't happen if they end up 5 pages down.

This seems to be a fight that comes up at least once or twice a year, and it's disrespectful to the people who are okay with the subforums. I'm not only talking about A&E, but also others. If I have a question about computers, I know where to ask. If I want to read about history, I know where I can find threads about history. If I want to discuss the Olympics (and it's one of the years when the Games are happening), I'll drop into the Sports forum.

I'm in favor of trying new things, but throwing everything all together is not something I'd support. There's a reason these subforums were created - there were people who saw the need for them, and they work. Daily traffic isn't everything. Doctor Who, for example, is seasonal. In the years (or half-years) when the show isn't on, of course that thread will be quiet. You don't see people discussing the Olympics every day, but they do when the Games are actually happening. And consider how many views a thread gets. There's a lot of activity going on even if posting isn't - because people are reading, and information and opinions are being conveyed. I don't comment on everything I read, because if someone else has already expressed the same opinion as I have, why should I bother repeating it? So if I find the post useful, interesting, or entertaining, I'll "like" it and move on.
 
Hey I like the idea of all the "Ask.." threads being grouped somehow. And the serial threads. Somtimes it takes me a while to find the member photos thread or the cool photos thread for instance. Sometimes they're not on the first couple pages and I have a cool photo to post and there's been times where I just gave up.. Mind you that hasn't happened recently, but you get the idea.

I don't know if they'd want to create subforums for those threads, but if you could click on an [Ask] button somewhere and it'd filter out all the non-Ask threads, that would be amazing. But maybe not possible
 
How can Reddit be a problem? Last I looked it was overrun by Trumptrolls. It was like being here, but attacked from the other side.

Because the ease of use on reddit, the level of interest customization feature it does for you (your homepage is yours), and the sheer multitude of topics on reddit have lead the majority of the active internet "people" leaving all the individual topic or theme forums to go to the superstore of internet debates. Where else can you debate serious Game of Thrones fans and Baseball fans and EU political commentators on the same page.

One reason why I rarely start new threads is the preponderance of religion, politics, American pop culture, and serial threads, which give the impression that nobody's interested in Canadian stuff.

When you think about it, it feels strange that most Americans (at least the ones I know personally) have much more interest in British politics and culture than Canadian. For example, in grad school some of my classmates and I actually had a watch party for the results of the Scottish Indy Referendum (tbh it was mostly an excuse for intelligent people to drink and yell at each other :lol:). While the most interest I noticed on the Canadian election, which has arguably more of an impact on the U.S., most people just kinda commented that "oh, the pretty guy won yesterday...".

I don't think greater American interest in British stuff over Canadian stuff can be blamed on the "Americans love the Royal Family" trope. If I had to guess, it might be because Canada is a little too similar. When I first went to Toronto, the only things they made me feel like actually being in a different country was the random person speaking French and trying really hard not to mix up the speed limits so I wouldn't get pulled over. American and Canadian TV often have the same, if not really similar shows. Even most Canadian accents don't really seem that strange to an American ear. Britain, on the other hand, seems to be the perfect mix of both similar enough that Americans can easily access it while being foreign enough to be "exotic".
 
Because the ease of use on reddit, the level of interest customization feature it does for you (your homepage is yours), and the sheer multitude of topics on reddit have lead the majority of the active internet "people" leaving all the individual topic or theme forums to go to the superstore of internet debates. Where else can you debate serious Game of Thrones fans and Baseball fans and EU political commentators on the same page.
The Neutral Zone subforum at TrekBBS. Not only that, but there's an American poster there who loves Canadian comedy shows, particularly Corner Gas and The Red Green Show (he's also the one who's into baseball).

When you think about it, it feels strange that most Americans (at least the ones I know personally) have much more interest in British politics and culture than Canadian. For example, in grad school some of my classmates and I actually had a watch party for the results of the Scottish Indy Referendum (tbh it was mostly an excuse for intelligent people to drink and yell at each other :lol:). While the most interest I noticed on the Canadian election, which has arguably more of an impact on the U.S., most people just kinda commented that "oh, the pretty guy won yesterday...".
And on the Canadian news sites the right-wing people are still obsessed with Justin Trudeau's hair, two years later. The latest kerfuffle is that he was in Vancouver, went jogging along the seawall, got noticed by a group of high school kids celebrating their graduation (they were taking pictures), and they asked him to pose with them. Trudeau, being the friendly, gracious guy he is, agreed. And then the right-wing went nuts.

There were two important elections in 2015 - the Alberta provincial election and the federal election. We had threads here for both of them (Oda Nobunaga started the Alberta one - a gift from someone with whom I have friendly bickering arguments once or twice a year and we make it up in a few posts, wish each other Happy St-Jean Baptiste Day/Happy Canada Day and call it even). :)

Yeah, there are a lot of similarities in our countries, which makes some people think there are really no differences. But there are, enough to trip people up when it's least expected. I was in Pateros, Washington one morning (we'd camped along the side of the street opposite the post office) and I went in to get some stamps; this was back in the '80s when you had to send SASEs to get ordering information for some things and I couldn't pass up the chance to get real stamps that would be much cheaper than the International Reply Coupons our post offices in Canada sold. So I went into the post office and was floored by all the "Wanted" posters. I'd only seen stuff like that in westerns on TV. I think I still have a few of those stamps.

I don't think greater American interest in British stuff over Canadian stuff can be blamed on the "Americans love the Royal Family" trope. If I had to guess, it might be because Canada is a little too similar. When I first went to Toronto, the only things they made me feel like actually being in a different country was the random person speaking French and trying really hard not to mix up the speed limits so I wouldn't get pulled over. American and Canadian TV often have the same, if not really similar shows. Even most Canadian accents don't really seem that strange to an American ear. Britain, on the other hand, seems to be the perfect mix of both similar enough that Americans can easily access it while being foreign enough to be "exotic".
Just wait until you visit the Maritimes or Newfoundland and Labrador. The accents are noticeably different and there's one Newfoundland accent that's very hard to understand for some people. We had a neighbor who had that accent, and about a third of the time I couldn't understand what he was saying.
 
How can Reddit be a problem? Last I looked it was overrun by Trumptrolls. It was like being here, but attacked from the other side.

J
cfc is obviously better, but it's got nowhere near the same ability to draw in new people as reddit does
 
IMO all the American political specific threads are driving people away. You might as well rename "Off-topic" to "American Politics & friends"

Not very appealing to an international audience and those who don't care to discuss politics
Trump related talk is sucking in all the attention and energy like a black hole...
 
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