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Is this Queen Tamar?

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by ArallanKing, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. Uberfrog

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    He would, yes. I hope it's an Incan leader, but if it were Huayna Capac, I'd be expecting a more sun-shaped crown, like this:-

     
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  2. Eagle Pursuit

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    I was thinking a depiction more similar to this:
     
  3. Zelda1983

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    Yes,
    this headdress looks more similar.





    And on this picture he has a more smaller face with cheekbones similarities.
     
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  4. Uberfrog

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    Ah, nice finds! Hope somewhat restored...
     
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    Why does every leader guess ends up with a blurry female photo <_<
     
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  6. Greywulf

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    the crown in the burred picture doesn't seem to match
    Valid point, now looking at her. That crown especially doesn't match...



    Well it's definitely a new leader. I'm liking the Dido suggestion, but if it is Dido, I really hope that they add her as the leader of Phoenicia. They always add Carthage, but Carthage was a colony of Phoenicia, and really Phoenicia is more historically significant.
     
  7. Zaarin

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    Uh...what? Carthage conquered and colonized the Mediterranean, explored Africa as far south as Gabon, explored the Canaries, and traded as far away as Scandinavia. Tyre and Sidon didn't even dominate Canaan. Calling Carthage "just a colony of Tyre" is like calling the US "just a colony of England" or Russia "just a colony of Norway."
     
  8. Greywulf

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    Well maybe it is a bit like calling America a colony of England, but what that be an incorrect thing to state? Carthage was very impressive on their own right (which we must give some credit to Phoenicia for), however the Phoenicians (who colonized much of the Mediterranean, explored around parts of Africa, and may have traded as far as Britain) we can partially thank for our alphabet.
    If Dido is the leader however, it's most likely going to be Carthage anyway, as she is the Phoenician who is credited with founding Carthage.
     
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    Having Phoenicia civ with Carthage leader and capital could be an interesting twist. We already have some creative interpretation of what civ is in Civ6 compared to previous installments - Alexander leading separate civ, Germany with HRE leader and Greece with Athens/Sparta options, so such Phonecia representation would fit.
     
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  10. Greywulf

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    Queen Dido was a Phoenician herself, but it is the fact that she founded Carthage that makes her more likely to be leader of Carthage specifically.
     
  11. Zaarin

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    Yes, calling the US just a colony of England would be inaccurate. While a great deal of chance was involved, I dare say the US is more significant on the world stage right now than our mother country (with no offense intended to England). The same was true of Carthage.

    Well, strictly speaking, the Carthaginians always saw themselves as Phoenicians (Pōnnīm), even as late as St. Augustine. I'd like to see the Phoenicians included in the game, but they just don't have the charismatic leaders to make them a good fit for Civ6. In the context of Civ6, I'd much rather see Tyre, Sidon, and Byblos added as city-states and a non-Dido, non-Hannibal Carthage added as a civ. (I really do like Hannibal; I just don't want Carthage to be an excessively militaristic civ.)
     
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    You've got to admit though that a Hannibal led Carthage would make for a great double UU civ. Elephants are to Hannibal what the Rough Riders are to Teddy.
     
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    Further evidence against Hannibal, should Carthage appear: we already know that no R&F civ has a leader UU.
     
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    Right. Assuming we don't get them in R&F, I meant. I don't think we are, personally.
     
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    Indeed, America has long become more significant than England, although the two countries do have a strong relationship now and often seem to work as one.

    If the Carthaginians considered themselves Phoenicians, then Phoenicia would be a fair title for them, although it might make it odd if they added Tyre, Sidon, and Byblos as CS as well...perhaps they would have them as Phoenician cities, even though the focus is on Carthage? Anyway, we will have to wait and see.
    And I agree, I'd rather Phoenicia/Carthage was not overly military focused this time, but more focused on trade and seafaring. Why not Dido though?
     
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    True, they considered themselves Phoenician; the Byzantines, Ottomans, and Russians all considered themselves Roman as well. Well for ethnic identity that might be fine, for sorting out historical cultures I think it's unhelpful. They may have still spoken a dialect of Phoenician and worshiped Phoenician gods, but culturally the Carthaginians were very different from their Canaanite forebears. I wouldn't call them Hellenized per se, but they were certainly influenced by Hellenic culture, as well as Berber and other cultures.

    Why not Dido? I went over this elsewhere, but I'll reiterate it here. She is of very dubious historicity. She's attested only in Greek and Roman sources. And she's hardly a big personality compared to the Magonids, Barcids, and other later rulers of Carthage.
     
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    Because what I see is a beard:lol:
     

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