Issue Apathy

Buried by the baby boomers who actually paid money into the system. It's a system that is supposed to return back the money that was invested to them. One can hardly complain about an investor getting back their investment when assured by the US government. The government wouldn't lie would they?

The baby boomers are finding out right about now that it isn't about money. Old parents turn out not to be a problem that can be solved just by throwing money at it. We all wanted it to turn out that way, but guess what, it isn't. And it isn't gonna be.

My mother requires the around the clock attention of a human being. How much money do you think has to be thrown to make that happen if some share of it isn't done by family? How much management do you think it takes to keep it happening?

Does all of that feed into net productivity? No, it doesn't. Now, forward twenty years to when there are three times as many octogenarians in the US as there are today, with no significant growth in the age groups that will be caring for them. What do you think is going to happen to net productivity?

We can make it look good by adding 'elder care' as a segment of the economy, just like we can change the appearance of vast economic growth we got from bringing the female half of the population into the workplace by retroactively adding 'home care and child rearing' into the economy of earlier times. But the bottom line is that a whole lot of the productive energy of the people is going to be going into a sump that is of no direct benefit to them, and that makes all things harder.
 
The baby boomers are finding out right about now that it isn't about money. Old parents turn out not to be a problem that can be solved just by throwing money at it. We all wanted it to turn out that way, but guess what, it isn't. And it isn't gonna be.

My mother requires the around the clock attention of a human being. How much money do you think has to be thrown to make that happen if some share of it isn't done by family? How much management do you think it takes to keep it happening?

Does all of that feed into net productivity? No, it doesn't. Now, forward twenty years to when there are three times as many octogenarians in the US as there are today, with no significant growth in the age groups that will be caring for them. What do you think is going to happen to net productivity?

We can make it look good by adding 'elder care' as a segment of the economy, just like we can change the appearance of vast economic growth we got from bringing the female half of the population into the workplace by retroactively adding 'home care and child rearing' into the economy of earlier times. But the bottom line is that a whole lot of the productive energy of the people is going to be going into a sump that is of no direct benefit to them, and that makes all things harder.

Yeppy, Japan has it far worse due to their longevity and low birth rate. There was a massive move to limit populations in many countries. I can remember whole books on it trying to persuade people to have smaller families.

As medical costs soared, for as you say we threw money at it, instead of getting people to exercise and eat right, we now have a very unhealthy generation with genuine issues not only of elder care but dementia.

In previous generations before WW2, then it was the norm for several generations to live within a home, pass down the home to the successive generation, and grandma and grandpa were babysitters in their retirement and ultimately cared for at home.

In WW2, since all the guys entered the war, there wasn't sufficient personnel to keep the factories going. Rosie the Riveter was fabricated by intentional marketing campaigns that women entering the workforce was patriotic. When it came time for the soldiers to come, then it was considered patriotic for a woman to give up her job for a returning vet.

It really created a ton of problems. If you consider that one income families still had a lot more net worth, and that ultimately our purchasing power is lower by comparison with two incomes, then we've lost ground. That's not a stike at Feminism that had to happen, but nothing exists in a vaccum. It meant childcare and now elder care as the result of paying someone to care for your aging loved ones who no longer lived in the same multigenerational home.

Consider the strong economic aspects of being free and clear with no mortgage and only maintenance costs for your home versus the average American practice of moving every seven years, which was common until a few years ago. With compound interest mortgages, by only paying the regular house payment for seven years, only a dribble of principal was removed on the mortgage. It was a giant ripoff, and sanctioned by the government through the income tax deduction.

Today I wonder about this generation. I was married with a mortgage by the time I was 25, a really nice place with an acre of land. What do they have other than a basement bedroom and that humilation post-college? What hope is there in working as a waiter for tips (sometimes which are subtracted against minimum wage to add insult to injury)? By that time, I had a great job with healthcare and benefits and it was cheap and paid for just about everything.

Life today is terribly regressive. I can see why people are apathetic.
 
So, the abandoning of the multi-generational home is the root of all these problems?

Or is the basement bedroom a post college humiliation?

Not sure I'm following. Or perhaps you are going in two different directions at the same time.
 
So, the abandoning of the multi-generational home is the root of all these problems?

Or is the basement bedroom a post college humiliation?

Not sure I'm following. Or perhaps you are going in two different directions at the same time.

It's the perception of the viewer versus the observed. The college educated student is back at home when all along they were sold a lie that if they got an expensive college education, even if they went out of state to a college beyond their means, then it would pay off by a high paying job. They feel humilated for having to live at home (even though this was the norm even by young married couples prior to WW2).

I think it's healthy for there to be multigenerational homes, particularly if one is without economic means as it's simply being pragmatic versus homeless. Today because of the sea change that happened with Veterans moving to the suburbs to own their own homes, then that broke an old paradigm...one that was not valueless.

This set up an expectation by successive generations to not only own a home when very young, but what's more to not live in a dorm room during your entire college life, but to have an apartment. We set up a very materialistic sense of entitlement when in American history no such financial entitlement existed. Home ownership of successive generations was shared not seperate.

So now we're regressing for there aren't a lot of middle class jobs, but mostly service ones that are part time. We don't have slots for every college graduate, even though the banks were all too happy to loan money to families and individuals since these student loans were guaranteed by the government.

It's created a deep financial problem with no solution save loan forgiveness to eliminate bad debts. Think...with any other kind of loan other than education loans, in a bankruptcy, other loans can be discharged. A major corporation can discharge their debts, but a poor college student cannot. Weird, no?

When NAFTA and GATT were proposed, the American people wanted no part of them, for they knew it meant a transfer of jobs overseas. The politicians (all along the entire spectrum) received PAC money from corporations. Why? The corporations knew that this big decrease in wages and purchase of raw materials in foreign countries like the Pacific Rim meant major PROFITS.

It's the controlled implosion of the Middle Class in America. But don't worry, the government will end up out of necessity to guaranteeing wages for health care workers for the elderly baby boomers. You'll still be taking care of your grandparents in effect, they'll just be surrogates since they're someone else's.

And the high wages of the nineties fade away to downsizing and the greed of the globalists. No one wins with Free Trade. It's just an excuse to relocate jobs.
 
Not even during election time?
Maybe there's a .1% chance your vote will count on a local level in a small city, on a national one, hardly at all.

Telling people that their vote counts is mostly a lie & a damaging one. How someone spends their money is far more important than choosing the clown in column A vs the bozo is column B. And even that is small. The fact is that each isolated citizen means very little in the grand scheme of things. To make a change you have to organize, and, as OWS proved, this is easier said than done.
 
I guess it would be how I speak about wanting to know everything, but then I find that some things I don't want to know about (yet). I don't know if I added that last word because I mean it. It's really distressing to find a massive disconnect between what you think you want and what you want in practice.
I feel with you regarding your last sentence. But see, IMO the message of your first sentence necessarily leads to the consequence of your last one.
I assume that you simplified things to brake them down, so sorry if I seem nit-picking or am simply unfair.
No one actually wants to know everything. That is an essentially meaningless category, emotional-wise. At least as I see it there are only two things a human being can genuinely want knowledge-wise: Understand how to achieve something tangible or understand how something tangible is. Abstraction is only a bridge to hit the target area, if you get my drift. Now for that purpose, purposing and feeling emotionally attached to abstraction can be useful, even necessary.
If you make the Abstraction a goal in itself unconditioned by the tangible - that is when you try to be something you are not. Wanting to know 'everything'? An abstraction as removed from tangible as you can about get.

I have to add - contrary to popular opinion I am no wisdom wizard. Nor have I always succeeded in life. I can be wrong, of course. I got no magic key. But that is how it breaks down to me. Hope it helps.
 
I feel this way about American politics. I used to have a huge appetite for it but now I can't stand to watch more than a few minutes about it on the news or read more than a few articles.

I'm not really sure that apathy adequately describes either my feelings or that of the OP. It's not that I have completely stopped caring, I just realized that constant blow-by-blow updates didn't actually add anything substantial to my knowledge on the subject and that, coupled with overload, made me turn back the dial a bit. But that isn't to say that I don't care about politics any more, I just don't need the overload.
 
I feel this way about American politics. I used to have a huge appetite for it but now I can't stand to watch more than a few minutes about it on the news or read more than a few articles.

Same here. Once election time rolls around I pretty much stop watching any TV channel that has commercials to avoid the endless political ads or any news channel that can't go five minutes without showing the latest poll numbers.
 
It's funny how when I dropped my cable subscription I really thought I would miss the cable news channels the most. Turns out I am actually quite happy to not have them anymore - and this is only exasperated by how hellbent the cable news channels are to substitute tweets for actual reporting and opinion pieces for news stories. I know to an extant that has always been the case but it seems to only have accelerated and I'm not sure that the general public can tell the difference between pundits with opinions and reporters with facts.
 
It's funny how when I dropped my cable subscription I really thought I would miss the cable news channels the most. Turns out I am actually quite happy to not have them anymore - and this is only exasperated by how hellbent the cable news channels are to substitute tweets for actual reporting and opinion pieces for news stories. I know to an extant that has always been the case but it seems to only have accelerated and I'm not sure that the general public can tell the difference between pundits with opinions and reporters with facts.

Amen. I can't stand it when all I see for an hour straight on cable news channels is some anchor pretty much just quoting tweets.
 
I too went from a non-stop diet of cable news, talk radio all day long, followed by flipping back and forth between CNN, MSNBC and FOX all night to ditching cable TV entirely... and I don't miss it. I get a couple minutes of cable news on satellite radio in the morning on my way to work, then I listen to comedy or music. I was surprised at first that I just didn't miss it. It's so repetitive.

Plus listening to the news instead of watching it makes it much easier to identify BS and fluff because they cant dazzle you with special effects. The story is either fresh and interesting or it isn't. You have heard it already or you haven't.
 
It's funny how when I dropped my cable subscription I really thought I would miss the cable news channels the most. Turns out I am actually quite happy to not have them anymore - and this is only exasperated by how hellbent the cable news channels are to substitute tweets for actual reporting and opinion pieces for news stories.

They don't exist to report the news to you - they exist to make money, first and foremost. They will do what it takes to maximize those profits, within reason.

That's why you're seeing more sensationalized headlines, more "pop culture" style of "reporting", such a high emphasis placed on celebrity gossip, integration with social media, etc. They want more people watching, and it's working.

I'm glad you got out though.
 
I have to say, I am really sick of hearing about ISIS and Ukraine. I mouse over headlines concerning them with eyes rolled upwards and lip curled in disgust.

My question is simple: am I shirking some important duty by neglecting to keep myself informed on the latest events on these issues?

The answer depends in part on who you ask.

(Possibly. What duties are important to you?)
 
I believe there is a duty to be informed about the way the world is. Quite a crucial one, that.
 
I believe there is a duty to be informed about the way the world is. Quite a crucial one, that.

Can something that is not really possible be crucial?

You can listen to every news channel 24/7 and not be informed about how the world is. If you are lucky you might arrive at a fairly clear picture of a consensus on how people say the world is, but even that is a stretch.
 
This set up an expectation by successive generations to not only own a home when very young, but what's more to not live in a dorm room during your entire college life, but to have an apartment. We set up a very materialistic sense of entitlement when in American history no such financial entitlement existed. Home ownership of successive generations was shared not seperate.
Don't know how old you are but dorms these days are not cheap (or even reasonably affordable) at many institutions. In many cases they are in fact treated like money-making machines for the universities that host them. Many times it can in fact be much cheaper to rent an apartment on your own, which is why many students do so.
I believe there is a duty to be informed about the way the world is. Quite a crucial one, that.
But I don't think you need to be completely tuned into the 24/7 news cycle to stay informed either.

You don't need to know which street blocks fell to the Iraqi Army in Tikrit today to have a good sense of current events in the Middle East. Much less do you need to know that Madonna sharted and then tripped on it on stage last week to realize her career is basically over, either.

And you'll be just as likely to hear about either one of those facts on cable news - which is the crux of the problem.
 
I believe there is a duty to be informed about the way the world is. Quite a crucial one, that.

Then the answer would be yes. :think:

But I don't think you need to be completely tuned into the 24/7 news cycle to stay informed either.

You don't need to know which street blocks fell to the Iraqi Army in Tikrit today to have a good sense of current events in the Middle East. Much less do you need to know that Madonna sharted and then tripped on it on stage last week to realize her career is basically over, either.

And you'll be just as likely to hear about either one of those facts on cable news - which is the crux of the problem.

And being tuned into the 24/7 circlejerk doesn't help...
 
Maybe there's a .1% chance your vote will count on a local level in a small city, on a national one, hardly at all.

Telling people that their vote counts is mostly a lie & a damaging one. How someone spends their money is far more important than choosing the clown in column A vs the bozo is column B. And even that is small. The fact is that each isolated citizen means very little in the grand scheme of things. To make a change you have to organize, and, as OWS proved, this is easier said than done.

Very true. Your spending really matters (people happily make whatever you'll buy). Your vote matters more at the Party level, where you help choose the direction your party will agitate.

There are many, many, many issues worth worrying about. The trick is spending time collecting information in order to spend your volunteer time (and money) wisely.
 
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