It should be "TURKS", not OTTOMANS

[sirford]

Okay okayy hit my second language to my face.
Its about the Ignorance of Fraxis. They Ignore Great cultures and historical things to make more money and sell better in market.
But the surprising thing is; they wont sell worse if you add cultures as they were. You would only need to do more research and pay some more time and attention.

True. They did intentionally leave out cultures/civs so they can add an expansion and make even more money, it's just business. Lots and lots of companies do that. they intentionally release a product that isn't as good as it could be, then release an attachment or a new product so they can sell even more. Even if they added all the cultures in the beginning, they'd probably sell the same number of copies, but now they have an expansion with even more civs and extras, it's going to sell a lot more.

For example Europa Universalis did pay that attention and it didnt sell any worse (it couldnt do any worse )

It's up to the game designers what would work best for them. I know hearts of iron has almost every country in the world that even remotely had a part in WW2. You can play as brazil and chile i think.

I dont care if the American or Eurpean ppl know Turks as Ottomans. We are Turks, not Ottomans. We have written history. We changed and shaped it, but we, Turks, did it; not the Ottomans.

A few of the civs in this game relfect them as at their greatest time, usually that coincides with them having the most land. Thats why you see Rome, and not italy in the game. Italy is just the remainder of rome, although i'm not sure what the italians think of themselves, they are just a shadow of what rome was. At it's peak, the ottomans controlled the medditerrannen coastline from tunis all the way back around to greece, most of (now day) egypt, large parts of Saudi Arabia, far east as (modern day) iran, up towards (modern day) hungary. They wanted to capture each country or empire at it's strongest point, as evident by controling a very large amount of land. And since the name of the country was The Ottoman Empire, it would be wrong to call it the Turkish Empire, because it was named the Ottoman empire, even though the people would be called turks, the Name of the Empire was The Ottoman Empire. If the game describes the people as ottomans, and it's people should rightfully be described as turks (and adjective form turkish), you should contact Fraxis and let them know that The name of the empire is correct, but the name of the People of the empire is not correct.

If this is the reason they put it as Ottomans. Try to sell some history books and teach your ppl first, because no Turk recognize italians because of Rome. Or we dont recognize the French ppl because of Napoleon. Or call germans the Bismarkians. Most of the world know Turkish ppl as un-educated Barbarians but we never called any nation with the name of an empire they built. It is really irritating to be recognized as something else.
Dont you think so Ceasarians and Tokugawians?

Ironically enough, America was named after amerigo vespucci, so calling ourselves americans is along the same line of arguement of the Ottomans. Amerigo vespucci has almost nothing to do with us as a people, other then help explore it after it was initially discovered.

 

[wioneo]

English is my second language as well, I must admit that I have lost my fluency in Igbo, but I speak English quite well. That is NOT an excuse and I am tired of people using it. I have only played as Ragnar, Shaka, and Hannibal(I keep falling behind as a Carthagian for some reason..) so far. Maybe Mehemed should be next...

 

[sirford]

Silly not American person, did you really expect that you would be able to insult our country and get away with it? I believe that you completely destroyed any chance of any real discussion which could have gone on in the topic. I personally agree with the post at the beginning of this topic now, but if so many people weren't already verbally abusing you, I might just join in

try having a conversation in a 2nd or 3rd language and try to convey your meaning EXACTLY, it's not easy. you need to lighten up and try to communicate with someone who is trying very hard to find the correct words to say, without offending or insulting you.

 

[sirford]

English is my second language as well, I must admit that I have lost my fluency in Igbo, but I speak English quite well. That is NOT an excuse and I am tired of people using it.

so the person who is not fluent in english must confide to your set of rules for literacy? he's is not able to make mistakes?

 

[wioneo]

I wasn't trying to insult him, but I have worked very hard to speak the American's language and I find it quite irritating to see other people using the fact that they speak a language as an excuse for not fluently speaking another one.

Congragulations on you warlord title post, I think that you can have a custom avatar and title now, if you want to...

 

[Minci]

I wasn't trying to insult him, but I have worked very hard to speak the American's language and I find it quite irritating to see other people using the fact that they speak a language as an excuse for not fluently speaking another one.

Hey we solved that problem and burried our swords.

 

[sirford]

Hey we solved that problem and burried our swords.

lets break out the wine

 

[sirford]

I wasn't trying to insult him, but I have worked very hard to speak the American's language and I find it quite irritating to see other people using the fact that they speak a language as an excuse for not fluently speaking another one.

Congragulations on you warlord title post, I think that you can have a custom avatar and title now, if you want to...

hmmm, what to do... what to pick....

 

[wioneo]

You can't have the dragon things and switch the words like I did. Now I am going to go try out the Ottomans/Turks. I've never tried changing the descriptions before...

 

[sirford]

You can't have the dragon things and switch the words like I did. Now I am going to go try out the Ottomans/Turks. I've never tried changing the descriptions before...

yeah it's fun. i've changed rome to Blumpkinana, and the people are the Blumpkins, and adjective Blumpkinanian.

 

[Minci]

If you have an editor, Mehmet 2 was not organized. He was aggressive, expansionist, financial (he financed a huge conquest), spiritual but not organised. And our spec. unit was sipahi; a type of fast cavalary.
If there is an editor. Pls send me too
Being forced to use an editor to have my nation "right and as it was" in the game just saddens me. Now do you understand what this post is about?

 

[sirford]

If you have an editor, Mehmet 2 was not organized. He was aggressive, expansionist, financial (he financed a huge conquest), spiritual but not organised. And our spec. unit was sipahi; a type of fast cavalary.
If there is an editor. Pls send me too
Being forced to use an editor to have my nation "right and as it was" in the game just saddens me. Now do you understand what this post is about?

then perhaps the french UU and your should be switched? it would somehow correct that aspect well.

Washington was originally organized and financial, i guess because he was a tobacco farmer, but is now expansionist (not sure on that) and charismatic (couldn't hit it on the head any better). i guess some times they just put tributes on some people just to give them some.

 

[Minci]

yeah, switching them would fit perfect, but is there an edito to do those things and for example change the leader traits to the real ones?

 

[sirford]

yeah, switching them would fit perfect, but is there an edito to do those things and for example change the leader traits to the real ones?

i'm not sure how to change the in game values, you'd have to check out the modder's forum.

 

[AfterShafter]

If you have an editor, Mehmet 2 was not organized.
....
And our spec. unit was sipahi; a type of fast cavalary.

Are you trying to say that he led a poorly organized empire? And your special unit was the Sipahi... You've spent most of this thread arguing that the Turks have been influential for thousands of years - are you telling me that they only had one distinctive military "unit" that whole time?

 

[Minci]

Are you trying to say that he led a poorly organized empire? And your special unit was the Sipahi... You've spent most of this thread arguing that the Turks have been influential for thousands of years - are you telling me that they only had one distinctive military "unit" that whole time?

I dont say that, but his other specialities were more powerful. Was Bismark not organized?
Turks were better known with their fast cavalary and cavalary archers. We had many types of units and most were very different from the european units. For example we didnt have an archer unit. All of the army used bows even the heavy cavalary and Turks favored skirmishes instead of formations.

***- AND
***- If you would put Janissary as Turkish special Unit know that they were not famous with their rifleing skills. They were famous for their slapping. I am serious, they could kill a man in a full-plate mail armor with a slap. There is a helmet in Topkapi Museum with a deep hand print on it. It's really deep.

Sipahi (fast cavalary),
Saraceen Inf.,
Lagimcilar (guys who dig a tunnel under castle walls),
Mehteran (Worlds first military band. It was a huge band like 500 to 1000 ppl),
Levend (I dont know the real meaning of Marine but if its sea infantry who attack from sea; Levend is the first marine in the world. Ottomans Attacked Malta with something like 50.000 levends.
Hulleci (Mortar unit used in sieges.)
Deliler (cant remember their real name but they were insane ppl who march infront of the army)
Asakiri Muhammed (The first rifleman organization of Ottomans)
Kadirga (A special type of ship similar to Galleon but their aim was to board other ships for Levends)

 

[Agarwaen]

I would like to defend the Otoman civilization,
I understand that they came form the torkish tribes and that the turks were in a privileged position in the Empire, but I see that the many nationalities that lived in the Empire considered them first as Otomans (before the nationalism of late 19 century).
Beside, they became very diferent from the turks of the asian steppe.

well, just a though

 

[LuBu]

I dont feel like reading through 4 pages of threads yet, but America is a made up civ.

What does Roosevelt have to with Brazil? Is Brazil not "American?" Yea..

Yes, this is a technicality. America is not a civ though. I guess you cant call it the "United States" either. Mexico, Canada, Cuba, Brazil, Chili, Surinam, etc. etc... are all "American."

end rant.

 

[bloodofages]

The British Empire did have most of the know world, and the Brits still in a way control the world.
You never toke Vienna, forget Constantinapole you all can have it. Russia, British, Austrian Empire and others did stand in the Ottomans way.
I never heard of the Ottomans being able to stop an event a thousand miles away just with a threat. Name other nations that changed eras? Britian, Russia, America, Rome, Greeks, i could go on. I am not sure if Constantinapole was the biggest and best city in the world. But yes the game should give the right name and call the Ottomans Turks, if you still play Civ 3 i am makeing a mod and the Ottomans will be call Turks, not Ottomans. If you want PM me and let me know some more leaders of the Ottoman Empire, and Any UU that would be good for them, besides the ones that came with the game, i am always looking for more. When it comes down to it the Turks have played a important role in history and they have been a member of NATO, which makes them the only non European, besides America member. So mabye we can write and make sure they change it by the time the nest expansion comes out.

 

[Armorydave]

Nah, it should be Ottomans, not Turks. Probably should be Byzantium instead of either.