ITNES I - An Epoch of Change


You know das, luckymoose's confidence or culture should take a hit after he sold a piece of CHINESE territory to the Khmers! I mean, I got hit for less. I mean, can a madman going around putting stuff in big vats of hot water really lower a confidence level? :p
 
Nice update das!

To: Nations involved in the Egyptian Crises
From: Parhae
We have no territorial ambitions for Egypt, and are willing to open up diplomacy with you now.
 
You know das, luckymoose's confidence or culture should take a hit after he sold a piece of CHINESE territory to the Khmers! I mean, I got hit for less. I mean, can a madman going around putting stuff in big vats of hot water really lower a confidence level? :p

Well the entire situation is not on the table.
 
Das, sorry if I didn't make it clear (though I'd swear it was in my PM'd orders, and mentioned in the thread), but my capital is much further south, near where OTL Buenos Aires, Argentina is. In fact, that city you have on the Rio de la Plata is pretty much exactly where I meant for Ypacarai to be. If you don't want to move it, I can adjust my plans accordingly, but I would prefer it down there.
 
Yay!!!!!!!! Yay!!!!!!!! Yay!!!!!!!! :D

To the Punic Empire
From the Kingdom of the Dawn Land


Fools, you have worshiped humans, abused Mother Earth, and treated Mother Sea as your slave. For this the Holy Trinity has sent her minions upon you, from ourselves, to Nortugal, to Dacoillyria. Repent now, abandon your worship of humanity and turn to the Sacred Mothers. Do so now and you will recieve the blessed Baptism of Blood from Mother Moon, and will be forigiven. Repent, repent, repent, and recieve the blessings of Our Holy Mothers!

To Our Neighbours
From the Kingdom of the Dawn Land


Our great prophet, the blessed Membertou, taught that all may recieve salvation through the sacrifice of Our Mothers. Your culture is under threat from the encroachment of the White men, and though they often mean well your best interest lies in us and not them. Membertou was the herald of a bright new day, when Man and Nature would live together in harmony with one another. The White culture, though not their technology and certainly not their friendship, threatens this. It is only through your kings joining the Council of Powers, and your people accepting the Good News, that this future will be secured. Blessings be unto Mother Moon who spills Her blood for our salvation, blessings be unto Mother Earth who gave us life from Her own womb, and blessings be unto Mother Sea whow sustains us with Her own servants. Amen.
 
OOC: Very nice update. Things are heating up, it would seem...
Scapegoat-for-the-turn: Symphony D. - military reshuffling every bloody turn.
A great deal of it stays in one place (or about the same place). This time some of its consistency varied but the numbers didn't change any. :p

Oh yeah; the relative inflexibility of the Prestige stat seems kind of bizarre. More to come later.
 
OOC: You know panda, you, Tieh China, any opinion? :D I mean, in taking over it ;)
 
Theology and Trinitology

Though Trinitarianism in 425 CE was a relatively young religion, there was already lively debate among its scholars. In particular, Trinitology (study of the nature of the Trinity) and Theology in its strict definition (study of the nature of G-d) became popular among the theologians of Sebayik's markets.

Theology

In Theology at the time there were two main ideologies in circulation, namely Monology and Prosthesiotheology. Neither is truly dominant, and though general assumptions are possible about that demographics that adhered to each, the divisions between Monologists and Prosthesiotheologists are rather vague and most certainly not bitter.

Monology

For the Monologists (believers in singularity) there was the Blessed Trinity and only the Blessed Trinity. They asserted that there could be no other divinity, often quoting Membertou, "Here me, my disciples! The Trinity is supreme, the Trinity is alone! Blessed be their majesty now and forever!" (Sayings II, 4). This Theology was most popular among scholars, although the majority of White converts (admitadly few in number), also adhered to Monolgoy.

Prosthesiotheology

According to Prosthesiotheology (belief in additional g-ds) there was the Blessed Trinity above all, but there were also lesser deities. For them, the world was too diverse, to awe inspiring, for it all to come down to a simple trinity was simply impossible. Often, prosthesiotheologists mention another qutoe of Membertou, "Look to the world around you, and you will see the diversity of divinity, the multitude of blessings bestowed upon us." (Sayings II, 7). While an attractive quote, scholars oftend dismissed it due to few if any other quotes being usable for the same purpose as well as the ambiguous nature of the quote. For this reason and others, Prosthesiotheology was for the most part found among frontier peasents, though a significant number of scholars adhered to it as well as a large part of the nobility.

Trinitology

Unlike Theology, Trinitology's different ideologies are not very defined. Scholars and lay people often placed themselves in neither category difinitively, often developing their own particular combonation of the ideologies. It was also difficult to predict a person's ideology based on demographics, but in general peasents and lay people, in particular frontier peasents, were more likely to be Dividians.

Dividianism

Dividianism, the more popular of the two at the time but by no means dominant, taught that each member of the Trinity, Mother Moon, Mother Earth, and Mother Sea, were each completely unique and individual deities. Just as the pre-revelation beliefs had different deities, so were the Sacred Mothers. This was the most common belief among the masses, but even at the time more developed theologies were begining to trickle down. There were, however, a number of scholars who continued to side with Dividianism.

Unitarianism

Unitarianism was developed by the scholars in the markets of Sebayik, where the greatest thinkers in all the Dawn Lands gathered and taught. The Unitarians came to believe that the Trinity was not simply three distinct deities, but rather a single deity in three parts. While originally confined solely to scholars, the ideology began to become popular as it trickled down, in particular among seamen. White converts also seemed to prefer the theology to Dividianism.
 
To Onoghuria, Tieh China
From Turan


Ok, fine, you've made your point. What do you want?
 
TO: The Republic of Hong Kong
FROM: The Tieh Empire of China


It would be a lie to state that relations between our two nations have been warm. We know of the worries that our armies might one day attempt to re-establish a unified Han Empire. However, we believe such worries and fears, though understandable, are somewhat misguided. The Tieh Empire has no ill will towards the Republic of Hong Kong, nor do we have territorial ambitions beyond our own borders in this region of the world. Therefore, to show the Hong Kees and the wider world of our true ambitions, we propose an extension of trade ties, aswell as a pact of Non-Aggression between our two nations. Such expansive trade ties would equate to a reduction of tarriffs within our respective markets, and a general opening up of regional trade. It is our firm belief that both of our nations can prosper heavily from such an agreement, and we eagerly ask that you accept.
 
TO: The Republic of Hong Kong
FROM: The Tieh Empire of China


It would be a lie to state that relations between our two nations have been warm. We know of the worries that our armies might one day attempt to re-establish a unified Han Empire. However, we believe such worries and fears, though understandable, are somewhat misguided. The Tieh Empire has no ill will towards the Republic of Hong Kong, nor do we have territorial ambitions beyond our own borders in this region of the world. Therefore, to show the Hong Kees and the wider world of our true ambitions, we propose an extension of trade ties, aswell as a pact of Non-Aggression between our two nations. Such expansive trade ties would equate to a reduction of tarriffs within our respective markets, and a general opening up of regional trade. It is our firm belief that both of our nations can prosper heavily from such an agreement, and we eagerly ask that you accept.

To: Tieh China
From: Republic of Hong Kong


We have been trying for such agreements for many years and are glad to see you to finally come to some terms. We look forward to peace in Asia. As without it we are no better than the rest of the world.
 
Heh I got my arse kicked
Can't believe wenedians attacked me I said they could have all of old frankland if they wanted it.
 
Well. Not much salvaging this, now, is there?

Not necessarily, I'd say the situation is quite poor but salvageable.

And, is there any reason my project didn't finish?

Sorry about that...

The only error I noticed with my stats is that I specifically ordered the levies to be disbanded and sent home so that they could go back to their farms/shops/making money for the Empire and thus they shouldn't appear in my stats.

Hmm, yes... I do recall disbanding some levies, but possibly it were some other levies.

Btw das, why was my prestige lowered? Wouldn't the war on Turan be balanced out by my actions with Ugrians and Alans?

Not quite balanced out. One of the reasons is that merchants get around a lot, so their favour is important for one's reputation; and since you disrupted one of the main trade routes they got quite angry and begun badmouthing you.

Also, shouldn't Parhae's trade be affected as well?

They have a replacement route via Aryavarta. :p Plus they compensated by taking over the desert trade routes of Hejjaz (this might not last if they go to war with Phoenicia and/or Aryavarta, though...).

You know das, luckymoose's confidence or culture should take a hit after he sold a piece of CHINESE territory to the Khmers!

Hainan isn't usually considered an integral part of China or Hong Kong in this world, merely a nearby colony.

I mean, can a madman going around putting stuff in big vats of hot water really lower a confidence level?

There are precedents.

In fact, that city you have on the Rio de la Plata is pretty much exactly where I meant for Ypacarai to be.

Sorry, placed it at OTL Ypacarai instead. Blame alex?

About the prestige, sometimes it does seem pretty static, at other times it leaps a lot.

Happens to the best of us, emu.
 
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