It's About to Get Hot at the Border

[Berzerker]

thats a double yay

 

[Azem.Ocram]

I honestly hope that all refugees seeking asylum in the USA are let in and granted asylum. However, child traffickers hide among each of these groups.

On the other hand, Mexico should exercise its right to protect its citizens from armed invaders. If any gun-toting Americans cross into Mexico in pursuit of “illegals,” each and every armed invader should be shot to death.

Fox is going to spin this story to suit their reactionary/traditionalist/fascist bias no matter what so why should Mexico even try to appeal to Trumpists?

 

[Berzerker]

you guys are serious, nobody should be shot

 

[Narz]

Another scenario that I don't see anyone reporting on these militias considering is this: What happens if a fight does break out between the migrants and the militias and the militias, in their zeal, pursue the migrants and cross into Mexican territory? How would the Mexican government react? Better yet, how would the US react if Mexico killed any militia members that did cross into their territory?

That would be awesome!

 

[Bamspeedy]

The gun toting militia members waiting on lawn chairs tend to hang around Arizona, not San Diego (or am I mistaken?) if they follow last year's route.

 

[Berzerker]

border patrol will probably tell the militias the caravan is headed for some remote stretch of mountains

 

[Narz]

you guys are serious, nobody should be shot

If someone who gets off on the idea of violence against people fleeing oppression is shot I won't be sad.

 

[metalhead]

You know, if we had the sensible bipartisan immigration reform bill passed into law, none of this would be necessary.

It's almost as if some people in a certain political party killed it because their hatemongering propaganda arm could use the current immigration cluster to their electoral advantage by scaring racists with talk of diseased hordes of brown refugees.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You know, if we had the sensible bipartisan immigration reform bill passed into law, none of this would be necessary.

It's almost as if some people in a certain political party killed it because their hatemongering propaganda arm could use the current immigration cluster to their electoral advantage by scaring racists with talk of diseases hordes of brown refugees.

Almost?

Oh.

I get it.

 

[Berzerker]

If someone who gets off on the idea of violence against people fleeing oppression is shot I won't be sad.

then why not shoot everyone who wants immigration laws?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

then why not shoot everyone who wants immigration laws?

That would kinda depend on the immigration laws they favor.

 

[Oerdin]

The hard truth is virtually none of them are legit refugees. In the last caravan just four won their court hearing. Virtually all are just economic migrants who legally are supposed to use the regular immigration system. We still have a massive problem of 8 out of 10 asylum seekers never showing up for their hearing. They make a claim in order to cross the border then simply disappear and live illegally because they know their claims are bogus.

This is why every asylum claimant needs to be held until after the hearing. Those who are approved get allowed in and everyone else automatically gets deported. That is how you stop this abuse.

This, of course, goes against the consent agreement which Obama signed deliberately to sabotage immigration enforcement so Congress needs to change the laws ASAP to stop the absolutely lawless joke out system has become.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The hard truth is virtually none of them are legit refugees. In the last caravan just four won their court hearing. Virtually all are just economic migrants who legally are supposed to use the regular immigration system. We still have a massive problem of 8 out of 10 asylum seekers never showing up for their hearing. They make a claim in order to cross the border then simply disappear and live illegally because they know their claims are bogus.

This is why every asylum claimant needs to be held until after the hearing. Those who are approved get allowed in and everyone else automatically gets deported. That is how you stop this abuse.

Held where?

Nevermind, we all know that anything you say that looks like you are interested in a solution is pure pretense. Just like Trump.

 

[Oerdin]

Any detention center that can be found or created. We made holding camps for millions of POWs in WW2 and should be able to do the same again. As a bonus any criminality or lawlessness in the detention centers should be automatic grounds for rejection and deportation.

 

[Gori the Grey]

We made holding camps for millions of POWs in WW2 and should be able to do the same again.

Hell, we made 'em for kids just a few months ago!

 

[metalhead]

The hard truth is virtually none of them are legit refugees. In the last caravan just four won their court hearing. Virtually all are just economic migrants who legally are supposed to use the regular immigration system. We still have a massive problem of 8 out of 10 asylum seekers never showing up for their hearing. They make a claim in order to cross the border then simply disappear and live illegally because they know their claims are bogus.

This is why every asylum claimant needs to be held until after the hearing. Those who are approved get allowed in and everyone else automatically gets deported. That is how you stop this abuse.

This, of course, goes against the consent agreement which Obama signed deliberately to sabotage immigration enforcement so Congress needs to change the laws ASAP to stop the absolutely lawless joke out system has become.

60% of asylum seekers show up to their hearings. When they have legal help available, they almost always show up.

Nevertheless, what is it you're worried is going to happen, exactly?

 

[Berzerker]

That would kinda depend on the immigration laws they favor.

The current laws... Why should militia be shot for enforcing laws border patrol enforce?

 

[Broken_Erika]

Nevertheless, what is it you're worried is going to happen, exactly?

That some of them might be accepted?

 

[sophie]

Never show up for their hearing...you mean like the refugee for whom ICE scheduled a meeting on the same day and in a different location as her hearing, or the refugee was never even notified that she had a hearing scheduled?

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/08/6006...n-missed-her-u-s-court-date-what-happens-next

On the day of her hearing, the asylum seeker showed up on time — but to the wrong court house. The hearing was scheduled the same day as a meeting with her ICE officer, in a different building. By the time she found the right court, the judge assigned to her case had already deemed her a no-show and issued a deportation order for her and her son.

She asked the judge to hear her case later that day. The judge said no. The asylum seeker and was given 30 days to file a motion to reopen her case, but she had no lawyer, and certainly no money to hire one.

She was fearful about her chances of reopening the case, and for good reason: Asylum seekers are five times more likely to win a case for asylum if they have legal counsel, according to Judy London, the directing attorney for the Public Counsel's Immigrants' Rights Project.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dail...uwAk6TpyhxKx4k0B58tw5HAHRpRXAVfpu6BJZ3VBO_P1o

Arevalo-Herrera came to the United States hoping to apply for asylum. The fact that she and her family currently live in the church is due, in large part, to a controversial Department of Homeland Security practice by which immigrants are given a “Notice to Appear” in court that bears no date or time. In thousands of instances, they are never told when to show up, and are tried in absentia, with few if any options to reopen their cases.

Arevalo-Herrera was processed by the Department of Homeland Security in McAllen, and was given a piece of paper ordering her to appear before an immigration judge. This Notice to Appear provided an exact address—2009 West Jefferson Avenue, Suite 300, Harlingen, Texas—but, where one would expect to see an assigned date and time, the words “to be set” were typed.

Arevalo-Herrera had relatives in Richmond, and she provided officials in McAllen with their address. D.H.S. officials informed her that information about when she had to be in court would be mailed to her there. She and Marcela took a bus to Richmond, where they lived for a time with her relatives. Arevalo-Herrera began working, enrolled Marcela in school, and waited for the notice of her court date. She insists that it never arrived. “I never got any notice,” she told me. On March 10, 2015, she was tried in absentia in an immigration court in Harlingen, and was ordered to leave the country.

Refugees are also five times as likely to successfully plead their case for asylum if they have legal representation. Although, given that refugees aren't guaranteed legal representation, and that they aren't allowed to work while their case is pending, and most are fleeing economic devastation, and thereby can't afford representation, it's generally unlikely for them to find a lawyer.

It's almost like whether or not a refugee argues successfully for their legal status has very little to do with the actual merits of their case....hmmmmmm

 

[FriendlyFire]

The hard truth is virtually none of them are legit refugees. In the last caravan just four won their court hearing. Virtually all are just economic migrants who legally are supposed to use the regular immigration system. We still have a massive problem of 8 out of 10 asylum seekers never showing up for their hearing. They make a claim in order to cross the border then simply disappear and live illegally because they know their claims are bogus.

This is why every asylum claimant needs to be held until after the hearing. Those who are approved get allowed in and everyone else automatically gets deported. That is how you stop this abuse.
This, of course, goes against the consent agreement which Obama signed deliberately to sabotage immigration enforcement so Congress needs to change the laws ASAP to stop the absolutely lawless joke out system has become.

Huh Wiki says of the 1200 caravan of 2017 around 150 applied for refugee status
Anyways that what the Trump administration is currently doing, separating children and holding all asylum seekers and not losing tack of them.

Dont worry Mexico is going to pay for a beautiful wall, ICE will also punish all those Rual Republicans hiring illegals, and crops will harvest themselves /s