Jan. 6th commission

[IglooDame]

So to summarize, he was okay with the crowd being armed with firearms, and desperately wanted to escort (or lead?) the crowd to the Capitol? Do I have that right?

 

[Birdjaguar]

Yup

 

[Birdjaguar]

witness tampering!

Meadows and Giuliani both asked for pardons.

 

[Kaitzilla]

It is interesting reading just who got a pardon at the start of 2021.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...st-minute-pardons-commuted-sentences-n1254806

Certainly not the Jan. 6 people.

Most impressive was the guy busted for importing $2 billion worth of marijuana.
I mean, is that even a real crime?

**Edit**
Oh gosh, the juice is flowing today!

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/tru...nt-go-to-capitol-on-jan-6-aide-testifies.html

I’m the ‘effing’ president, take me up to the Capitol now!” Trump insisted, according to the aide, Cassidy Hutchinson, describing what she was told had happened in the limo that day by another White House aide, Tony Ornato.

Trump also grabbed the steering wheel of the limo in a fury after learning he would not be taken there, Hutchinson said.

Hutchinson, who served as a top aide to Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, revealed the dramatic incident for the first time at an abruptly scheduled hearing of the select House committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

Trump wanted to go to the Capitol that day after speaking at a rally outside of the White House to supporters, whom he urged to march with him to Congress and “fight” against the ongoing confirmation of President Joe Biden’s electoral victory.

But White House lawyers were strongly opposed to Trump doing so, fearing that it could lead to charges of inciting a riot or interfering with the Electoral College certification process.

Pat Cipollone, who at the time was White House counsel, warned staff “we’re going to get charged with every crime imaginable” if Trump went to Capitol, Hutchinson testified.

The threat of prison (for the minions) totally deters a President.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump's friends or friends of friends or folks that made donations to Trump or his money raising efforts.

 

[Sommerswerd]

So to summarize, he was okay with the crowd being armed with firearms, and desperately wanted to escort (or lead?) the crowd to the Capitol? Do I have that right?

His supporters will applaud this and love him more for it. The prior narrative was that Trump the fat-cat coward drummed up his supporters and promised to join them in the march then slunk back to the White House to gleefully watch his supporters storm the Capitol from the safety of his couch... The new narrative is that Trump was grabbing the steering wheel, physically assaulting and trying to choke out Secret Service officers who were trying to hold him back from leading his loyal supporters in the assault on the Capitol. They literally dragged him away from leading the insurrection kicking and screaming. I don't see how this hurts him with his supporters. It almost certainly endears him to them even more.

 

[Birdjaguar]

They literally dragged him away from leading the insurrection kicking and screaming.

I guess that puts the "they were libs in disguise" to rest.

@Berzerker Did you watch the hearing today or a recap?

 

[Berzerker]

I saw some of it before hitting the golf course

did they explain why the capital was so poorly defended?

 

[Birdjaguar]

I saw some of it before hitting the golf course

did they explain why the capital was so poorly defended?

planned, for an easy assault.

Key points:

• Trump knew the crowd was armed (rifles, AR15s, knives, body armor, and more)
• Trump wanted the metal detectors removed so his followers who were carrying guns could join the stage crowd without their guns being seized by the secret service
• Trump assaulted his ss agent and tried to grab the steering wheel of his car in order to go to the Capitol and lead the attack
• When Trump has a tantrum, he throws food, breaks dishes and over turns tables of food.
• Trump wanted Pence hung ("He deserves it")
• Giuliani and Meadows asked for pardons
• Witness tampering by Trump and or his allies

 

[Berzerker]

I guess the hearing didn't delve into the security failure at the capital, maybe they're saving that for the last episode

 

[Samson]

I guess the hearing didn't delve into the security failure at the capital, maybe they're saving that for the last episode

They talked about it some, in that people who were responsible knew in the days before that violence was likely but did not take appropriate actions.

 

[Sommerswerd]

They talked about it some, in that people who were responsible knew in the days before that violence was likely but did not take appropriate actions.

You and @Birdjaguar are missing the point, which of course is that the whole thing from top to bottom is Nancy Pelosi's fault.

In any case, I have to admit that I am surprised about Trump attacking his own Secret Service to try and lead the insurrection. There are a myriad of obvious reasons his conduct was worthy of condemnation. The simultaneously undeniable fact is, he was trying to fulfill his promise to lead the mob of insurrectionists to the Capitol.

Trump is way more serious about becoming diktator of US Umerika than I previously gave him credit for. Dude was seriously in there throwing elbows along with his insurrectionist supporters. This wasn't just a riot, this was a full out coup attempt, with the ousted President literally fist-fighting his own security bare-handed to stay in power.

 

[Aiken_Drumn]

I don't see how this hurts him with his supporters. It almost certainly endears him to them even more.

Terrifyingly so, hopefully though it won't be possible for them to vote for him anyway next election. Let them stay at home out of protest that they can't vote for their tyrant.

 

[Estebonrober]

You and @Birdjaguar are missing the point, which of course is that the whole thing from top to bottom is Nancy Pelosi's fault.

Naaannnccccyyy.... Naaaannnncccyyyy.

 

[Remorseless1]

I guess the hearing didn't delve into the security failure at the capital, maybe they're saving that for the last episode

Nah. They showed numerous videos of Proud Boys, white militia, and other crazed adherents beating hundreds of cops to within an inch of their lives.

I do hope they get around to explaining why it was the Vice President had to give the authorization to release the National Guard and other federal assets instead of the Commander-in-Chief himself doing his duty. Or why the CIC refused to put the Guard d and other federal agencies on alert as requested by the DC cops? So yeah,let's get into the security failure at the Capitol in depth. And just for context, let's recall the security failure at the Capitol was brought to light by thousands of Trump-inspired rioters who were chanting "Hang Mike Pence," a sentiment shared by your beloved Trump.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I guess the hearing didn't delve into the security failure at the capital, maybe they're saving that for the last episode

I guess you haven't watched it either.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I guess you haven't watched it either.

Not until Jimmy Dore tells him what his opinion should be.

 

[IglooDame]

Not until Jimmy Dore tells him what his opinion should be.

FoxNews (remember "We report, you decide?" I don't think they do) has declared the hearings to be a waste of time, thus saving all their viewers from having to think about it too hard.

 

[Lexicus]

Naaannnccccyyy.... Naaaannnncccyyyy.

b e n g h a z i

Not until Jimmy Dore tells him what his opinion should be.

you sir have beaten me to the Jimmy Dore-related burn and I commend your victory

 

[Birdjaguar]

FoxNews (remember "We report, you decide?" I don't think they do) has declared the hearings to be a waste of time, thus saving all their viewers from having to think about it too hard.

Interesting. In contrast, the WSJ has been moving away from Trump. Their coverage of the hearings and even some editorials have begun to reflect, "Maybe he is not the guy we should be supporting." Murdoch owns both.
From Today's paper:

More Testimony on Trump’s Jan. 6 Tirade

Just when it seems as if Donald Trump’s behavior after his 2020 loss couldn’t possibly look worse, a new piece of wild testimony arrives. The House Jan. 6 inquiry on Tuesday called Cassidy Hutchinson, described as the principal aide to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows.

The biggest news is that Mr. Trump was advised, according toMs. Hutchinson, that some of the people who were awaiting his Jan. 6, 2021, speech had come armed. He was angry that the crowd wasn’t filling up the ellipse, apparently because some onlookers preferred not to go through the official security check, which included magnetometers, or “mags” for short.

Ms. Hutchinson: “I overheard the President say something to the effect of, ‘I don’t f— care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the f— mags away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here.’” This was shortly before Mr. Trump said in his speech that “if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

Mr. Trump told the crowd he would join their march on the Capitol. Ms. Hutchinson testified that once Mr. Trump was in the presidential limousine, his security detail told him they were returning to the West Wing. She says a deputy chief of staff recounted to her that Mr. Trump was furious and even grabbed at the steering wheel. Mr. Trump denied the episode on Tuesday and says he barely knew Ms. Hutchinson.

Back at the White House, as the riot unfolded, Ms. Hutchinson says she heard a conversation between White House counsel Pat Cipollone and Mr. Meadows: “I remember Pat saying something to the effect of, ‘Mark, we need to do something more. They’re literally calling for the Vice President to be f— hung.’ And Mark had responded something to the effect of, ‘You heard him, Pat, he thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.’” The day before the riot, Mr. Trump told Mr. Meadows to call Roger Stone, the political adviser Mr. Trump had pardoned, and Ms. Hutchinson said she was “under the impression” that he did. She doesn’t know what the two discussed, but Mr. Stone was reportedly photographed on Jan. 5 and 6 with members of the Oath Keepers group that stormed the Capitol building. Mr. Meadows has refused to testify to the committee. Ms. Hutchinson says Mr. Meadows sought a presidential pardon after Jan. 6, and she adds Mr. Trump considered publicly floating pardons for the rioters.

It’s difficult to know how much this story is leaving out, since the committee isn’t releasing full transcripts of its interviews. There’s also no questioning from Republicans who boycotted the committee. But some of the testimony is firsthand, such as when Ms. Hutchinson said she saw a White House valet cleaning up food and broken dishes that Mr. Trump had thrown in a rage about the election. Ms. Hutchinson is a former intern for GOP Whip Steve Scalise and Sen. Ted Cruz. She is speaking under oath.

Democrats want to use the Jan. 6 investigation to paint the entire Republican Party as a gang of insurrectionist nuts. The committee is steeped in partisanship. But that doesn’t mean Republicans should look away from the considerable evidence it is producing about Mr. Trump’s behavior that would surely be relevant to voters if he runs in 2024.