[RD] JK Rowling and Explicit Transphobia

[Kyriakos]

People can be very friendly and long time members and still hold some opinions that are ****** awful and dehumanizing. I think anyone who actively refuses to use proper pronouns is already being a major ***clown, on purpose, which makes it that much worse.

I think your "we should coddle people" approach doesn't really fly, at least not for me.

if someone I like, or someone I love, has some backwards ******* opinions, I set them straight. if I didn't, I would be a bad friend. always being honest is a duty, not an option.

I think you like me, but you are clearly aware that I think the Sevres treaty should come back to force
For all you know, in my free time I have long discussions with byzantine icons.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

For all you know, in my free time I have long discussions with byzantine icons.

Weirdness is the most attractive character trait. And the most interesting. I think we've disagreed a fair amount on politics, and have argued a fair amount, but we always come back for our unfettered love in the end, no? So yeah, I more than like you. Not many people around that I can talk to literature to, even less that resonate on the same frequency as I do.

Similiarly, if I were to espouse an absolutely stupid and harmful opinion on this forum (preposterous!) I would expect you, and everyone else, to kick me in the back of my head, metaphorically, and set me straight.

 

[duckstab]

Funny you should mention coddling. Coddle the deviant and chastise the normal I guess.

Wow, just wow.

There is nothing "deviant" about an individual wanting a modicum of respect and affirmation for their identity.

And nothing "normal" about bigotry.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Funny you should mention coddling. Coddle the deviant and chastise the normal I guess.

Gary is known as a very friendly person and long time member of the C&C community. Not everyone is your enemy just cause you want to project your own fears...

He called me a deviant, this man is not friendly, he's dehumanized me and associated my desire to live my authentic life to a fetish, his rhetoric and words are inseperable from the bigotry i've personally faced offline.

My existence is not comparable to a fetish and to insinuate it is to engage in bigoted rhetoric, so now with that clear in both our minds @Kyriakos what is the logical conclusion?

I think I'll check in a year how you people are doing, maybe. Maybe I'll ask: "are you ok? Are you well?"

Well, are you?

 

[Kyriakos]

I think Gary didn't call you a deviant. But anyway, we should all be more open-minded :/

Besides, you aren't a deviant. As far as I know, becoming trans is the last resort and so has to be respected. Like other non-trans people, I too only hope it was the correct way to go (ie it was really the root of the problem, by which I am not expressing a criticism of course, just stating that only the person becoming trans can know that), cause surely it is very difficult to live as a trans.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I am a transperson and in response to me pointing out that he seems to want people to not criticize his stance or actions he state's "Coddle the deviant and chastise the normal I guess", so what is the implication that follows from that then? He clearly views himself as the normal, now what group could he be talking about when he mentions "deviant"?

 

[Kyriakos]

Sometimes people can be less used to discussing such things, so can use terms which offend, or use them in a way which seems to encompass everyone indirectly (you) involved? Anyway, people can suffer from lots of different issues, trans-related ones are one, but so is depression, so we should all be mindful of that too is all
In the end, anyone can speak for themselves, I am not here to speak for others, just to have a cover to spread Kremlin propaganda for a few more euros.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Sometimes people can be less used to discussing such things, so can use terms which offend, or use them in a way which seems to encompass everyone indirectly (you) involved? Anyway, people can suffer from lots of different issues, trans-related ones are one, but so is depression, so we should all be mindful of that too is all
In the end, anyone can speak for themselves, I am not here to speak for others, just to have a cover to spread Kremlin propaganda for a few more euros.

What group is he insinuating are somehow "deviant", @Kyriakos and are you aware of what the word means and has been historically used for, when applied to the LGBTQ community?

 

[Kyriakos]

(I can't really say anything else - I can't be inside anyone's mind to know what they mean...)

 

[Gary Childress]

He called me a deviant, this man is not friendly, he's dehumanized me and associated my desire to live my authentic life to a fetish, his rhetoric and words are inseperable from the bigotry i've personally faced offline.

Well, what do you expect from a "narcissist"? I guess we're all something in the textbooks.

 

[Gorbles]

And you may think it is "hate speech" that is not harmless. I disagree. She's exercising free speech on her opinions and not calling for violence against anyone. But that is besides the point. The point is: what is the point of this thread? What do you want?

The thread kinda skipped over this, but you don't have to call for literal violence to cause harm. Considering your ability in English I can't believe you're unaware of this.

And, for the record, using Twitter's ability to prevent replies to her tweet (of the blog post) thus preventing constructive and fair counterarguments isn't free speech at all. She's capitalising on her huge platform on one of the worlds leading social media platforms. It's funny you see you sticking up for such a thing though.

Reaffirming the anti-trans belief that trans women aren't proper women causes trans people harm. Do you disagree?

 

[Gary Childress]

What group is he insinuating are somehow "deviant", @Kyriakos and are you aware of what the word means and has been historically used for, when applied to the LGBTQ community?

I have to admit I thought the word simply meant: "departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior." Does it mean something other than that? And if so, what word should I use in its place?

 

[Synobun]

Well, what do you expect from a "narcissist"? I guess we're all something in the textbooks.

In response to a friend trusting you with something that has a good chance of putting their life at risk, you centered your perspective on a) your lack of belief in reality, b) how it affects you, and c) whether or not you personally approve of the decision. You consciously and openly misgender them after knowing the decision they've made, call them deviant (even with your innocent interpretation, that's not a thing you call a large group of people, and given your age, you should know the context of calling LGBTQ groups "deviants"), and then regress to believing that you are being intimidated because others would like you to do the bare minimum involved in respecting someone you supposedly consider a friend.

Of course, Kyriakos will say you're a respected member of the community, as though that changes anything. Harmful beliefs and actions are harmful. In fact, if we take his argument at face value, it simply makes it worse, as people tend to emulate figures (hey, this is relevant to the thread!).

Very little is expected of you. You're even free to be transphobic. There's just the general base expectation that you keep it to yourself, and while in public and interacting with other human beings, you don't impede someone's ability to exist and you don't dehumanize them. Continue thinking trans people are deviant and something to be corrected. Just leave them alone while you're thinking it. It's not your right to decide that they are subhuman. Is that intimidation? Maybe. Consider how these supposed deviants feel when people like you debate the legitimacy of their existence, when the very fabric of their identity is called into question and put into the spotlight for investigation, to see if they've passed some arbitrary test in someone's head who already thinks the worst of them. They must feel really intimidated, especially when the government constantly passes legislation against them to bankrupt them, to impede them, to discriminate against them, and when other governments elsewhere in the world wholesale execute them. But, then again, people ask that you use the proper pronouns, so who's really worse off here?

 

[Gary Childress]

In response to a friend trusting you with something that has a good chance of putting their life at risk, you centered your perspective on a) your lack of belief in reality, b) how it affects you, and c) whether or not you personally approve of the decision. You consciously and openly misgender them after knowing the decision they've made, call them deviant (even with your innocent interpretation, that's not a thing you call a large group of people, and given your age, you should know the context of calling LGBTQ groups "deviants"), and then regress to believing that you are being intimidated because others would like you to do the bare minimum involved in respecting someone you supposedly consider a friend.

Of course, Kyriakos will say you're a respected member of the community, as though that changes anything. Harmful beliefs and actions are harmful. In fact, if we take his argument at face value, it simply makes it worse, as people tend to emulate figures (hey, this is relevant to the thread!).

Very little is expected of you. You're even free to be transphobic. There's just the general base expectation that you keep it to yourself, and while in public and interacting with other human beings, you don't impede someone's ability to exist and you don't dehumanize them. Continue thinking trans people are deviant and something to be corrected. Just leave them alone while you're thinking it. It's not your right to decide that they are subhuman. Is that intimidation? Maybe. Consider how these supposed deviants feel when people like you debate the legitimacy of their existence, when the very fabric of their identity is called into question and put into the spotlight for investigation, to see if they've passed some arbitrary test in someone's head who already thinks the worst of them. They must feel really intimidated, especially when the government constantly passes legislation against them to bankrupt them, to impede them, to discriminate against them, and when other governments elsewhere in the world wholesale execute them. But, then again, people ask that you use the proper pronouns, so who's really worse off here?

OK. Fair enough. I'll keep it to myself. We won't talk about it. As far as the word "subhuman", again, that's your word, not mine. I'm sorry you've degraded the conversation to that point. But nothing I can do I suppose. It's all you.

 

[Senethro]

Gender Reassignment Act shelved in UK. Hope LGBT tories are questioning their loyalty.

 

[Robo-Star]

Gender Reassignment Act shelved in UK. Hope LGBT tories are questioning their loyalty.

Hope Labour ups their game.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Gender Reassignment Act shelved in UK. Hope LGBT tories are questioning their loyalty.

do you have a news source? I would like to read up on that.

 

[Senethro]

do you have a news source? I would like to read up on that.

You are unable to google it because I am a dummy. I did in fact mean the Gender Recognition Act.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-to-be-dropping-gender-self-identifying-plans

 

[Robo-Star]

do you have a news source? I would like to read up on that.

https://twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1271933642084933637

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Thanks a lot @Robo-Star and @Senethro