Jumpmasters 1B: Power is Knowledge (Vanilla, GOTM mod - Emperor - No research)

[DJMGator13]

Good turns Karasu

We have had alot of elite victories and no GLeaders yet. We should be due one or two in the next war.

If we are going to use Republic we don't need to worry about buying Monarchy. Hopefully the red border will lower the price on Feudalism some.

If we get a Gleader would Sun Tzu (on our home land) be a better build than the Palace in Beijing? Or are we in a strong enough military state not to worry about the free barracks?

The troops on the galleys E of Atlay do we want to land them near Kunsan or do we want to bring them up from our cities in the south. Looks like Cheju and Namp'o will autoraze so we may want to start with their northern cities. The BAE have 7 cities total all appear to be on this island, assuming 1 in the middle of the fog.

Here's a quick pick of our new lands.

 

[Mistfit]

Good job on the K. I haven't looked closely yet but wont we need a harbor on the korean side to hook dye's up?

 

[Karasu]

I'm back ... to work...

Regarding the landing in Baekje, I think it would be ok either way: we already have more than a few units coming from the south, so my main thought was just to open another front for their defense.

My priority for the GL is still the Palace -I think we are healthy enough to support our barracks, while the extra boost given by another core is going to be large.
Actually, it may be nice to have Sun Tzu in another continent; that would help speed up our conquest, but I guess it will come: as you say we *are* due a GL!

Finally: no, we need no harbours in Korea. That is, we already have two: I had rushed one in Tosontsengel, and started connecting it to the other cities, when I realized that we conquered Pyongyang with its harbour intact.
(another edit: the worker stack is completing its job next turn)

EDIT: Oh, and...
- Grunthex: UP
- DJMGator13: Warming up
- Mistfit
- AlanH
- Nikof (back tomorrow)
- Karasu: done, and packing my bags...

 

[AlanH]

[EDIT] Cross posted with Karasu's answer to the harbour question.

Good job Karasu. Have we decided whether we want Monarchy or Republic? After m-b told us we're on teh new regime my vote goes with Republic and short wars.

Grunthex next then? With Gator waiting in the wings and Mistfit itching to get at 'em?

 

[Karasu]

I would go Republic too.

BTW, the Han have started the Great Library a few turns ago...

 

[Mistfit]

Here are some thoughts about our future Palace location. Cities C,D,& F can be plopped down to complete our 5 ring.

A or B, E, & G would fit nicely in the 8 ring.

I think Xinjian needs to be abandoned and resettled. So If we have extra settlers sitting around I'd go ahead and put them here.

 

[Karasu]

B, C, D, E, F, G all look good. Let's also remember to move Shantung 1 tile South on the 8-distance ring.

Regarding Settlers, I built a couple from Karakorum and Kazan again, but we can probably use more efficiently the more corrupt cities for that. And we should definitely keep at least a settler factory running, with all the free space for expanding we've got.

 

[Mistfit]

If we want to make it perfect Nalayh needs to be moved as well. I'm not exactly sure where it should go but won't it mess up our 8 ring because it is in at 6?

 

[Karasu]

Crap! You're right. Nalayh is at 6; we could move it to distance 5, but it would need an aqueduct then. We could move it at 8 but it would be a bit crowded there.
Or we could leave it where it is and forget about it...

Talking about which: Grunthex, where are you?

 

[Dianthus]

<delurk>

Nalayh @6 doesn't affect the corruption of those @8. The rank corruption for the 8 ring only depends on the number of towns closer to the palace than 8, it doesn't matter how much closer they are. The only town that is affected by Nalayh @6 rather than the prefered 5 is Nalayh!


</delurk>

 

[Mistfit]

<delurk>

Nalayh @6 doesn't affect the corruption of those @8. The rank corruption for the 8 ring only depends on the number of towns closer to the palace than 8, it doesn't matter how much closer they are. The only town that is affected by Nalayh @6 rather than the prefered 5 is Nalayh!


</delurk>

Is that true with the Palace? I thought that was true with the Frobidden Palace but it was different with the Palace.

 

[Dianthus]

Is that true with the Palace? I thought that was true with the Frobidden Palace but it was different with the Palace.

Yes. That's the whole point of arranging your cities in rings. All cities in the same ring have the same rank corruption because the rank corruption is only dependent on the number of cities closer. You might want to check out the original RCP strategy article by Daviddesj, just bear in mind that the rounding of the distance to be an integer wasn't found until quite a bit later in the thread!

 

[Mistfit]

Then if I understand correctly the Forbidden Palace concentrates less on the rings but more how many cities are closer to the palace then the city is from the forbidden palace. Right? Best case senario is loose perfect rings around the palace and a tighter build with or without rings around the Forbidden palace. Do I have this right?

 

[Dianthus]

Do I have this right?

Yes . The only exception is if you place the palace miles away from anywhere so that every city is closer to the forbidden palace than the palace. That's not allowed for GOTM though, I'm not sure what rules you're playing by here .

 

[mad-bax]

GOTM rules apply... and the remote palace exploit is not allowed. The test I apply is that when the palace is moved that a reasonable attempt to build/capture cities to form a core of OCN/2 around the new capital is made. The defenition of "reasonable attempt" is not up for discussion.

 

[AlanH]

The rule is very simply stated:

The corruption rank of a city is equal to the number of cities closer to the Palace than it is to its nearest Palace/FP.

The palace needs rings. The FP then has disks. The radii of the rings round the palace determine the radii of the corruption disks round the FP. If you have a ring around the palace at radius 5.x then all cities in that ring, and all cities 5.x from the FP or closer have corruption rank 1. If you have a second ring around the palace at radius 8.x then all cities in that ring, and all cities between 8.x and 6.x from the FP have corruption rank N, where N is the number of cities closer to the Palace than 8.

Dianthus is almost correct. Nalayh's position at Palace radius 6 affects Nalayh becuse its corruption rank becomes the number of cities in the Palace 5 ring. It may improve corruption in the FP region because any city at radius 6 from the FP doesn't have Nalayh adding to its corruption.

 

[DJMGator13]

So, we want to move Nalayh to a RCP5, move Xinjian to RCP5 and move Shantung to RCP8.

If we switch to Republic, Nalayh, currently at size 3, could produce/rush its own replacement settler. Xinjian & Shantung would need new settlers as both are currently size 1.

 

[Grunthex]

Ack!

Sorry guys, I got Monday'd. I'll pick up and play tonight, and either have a post up tonight or tomorrow night my time.

I knew I was up, but didn't get home yesterday until after 10 pm and didn't even get the computer turned on.

 

[Karasu]

Sorry guys, I got Monday'd

English surely is the language for synthesis!

No problems, Grunthex. Everyone gets Monday'd now and then -I see it coming for me this Friday, even though it should be illegal...

 

[Grunthex]

Got it. Playing now...