Just another SG
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Back home, finally managed to look at your game!
IMO, you need to expand over infra/research right now and fast before you lose some of the remaining spots!
You can fit 3 more cities (steal the wheat from Joao+Oasis; fp-rice or fp-silk; shared pig) to prepare for a likely Cannon war (probably the easiest from here if you have Iron - snowball effect from a large SoD). The earlier you get them, the best - get granaries ASAP (trade for Alpha and finish Pottery this turn).
Whip and delay the Academy a slight little, research should be fairly easy on this map.
IMO, you need to expand over infra/research right now and fast before you lose some of the remaining spots!
You can fit 3 more cities (steal the wheat from Joao+Oasis; fp-rice or fp-silk; shared pig) to prepare for a likely Cannon war (probably the easiest from here if you have Iron - snowball effect from a large SoD). The earlier you get them, the best - get granaries ASAP (trade for Alpha and finish Pottery this turn).
Whip and delay the Academy a slight little, research should be fairly easy on this map.
I agree. We actually have an academy already. 
We should just whip that settler right now and get another quickly.
We should just whip that settler right now and get another quickly.Trading for Alpha with Izzy sounds good to me. If we trade with somebody else, chances are that she'll trade Currency for Aest with them to get it soon anyway. She's relatively small, so although she's ahead now, I don't think she'll be a danger tech-wise.
If we can follow up by trading Alpha to Monty for IW that'd be excellent.
I'd rather not trade for Sailing, Poly or Pottery for WFYABTA reasons. We could switch to Pottery right now, follow up with Poly and then go straight for Music. We could wait for a while with the Aest trade to give us more of a head start; as long as nobody else gets it there's little need to hurry.
I agree with settling E of sheep ASAP by whipping the settler. It will also close the passage through our borders after it gets its border pop. I don't think it's important to get the second GS quickly now.
Do we want to put the Corinth overflow into another settler? It has high food, great for settler production even if it's only size 2.
If we can follow up by trading Alpha to Monty for IW that'd be excellent.
I'd rather not trade for Sailing, Poly or Pottery for WFYABTA reasons. We could switch to Pottery right now, follow up with Poly and then go straight for Music. We could wait for a while with the Aest trade to give us more of a head start; as long as nobody else gets it there's little need to hurry.
I agree with settling E of sheep ASAP by whipping the settler. It will also close the passage through our borders after it gets its border pop. I don't think it's important to get the second GS quickly now.
Do we want to put the Corinth overflow into another settler? It has high food, great for settler production even if it's only size 2.
shyuhe
Deity
We will want to re-grow Athens after whipping to start running two scientists again. We want to nab philosophy early to discourage other AI from pursuing it.
We should grow Corinth after whipping the library so that we can run some scientists there too. I don't see any particular rush to get our 6th city out...
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Hi folks, seems Joao went the annoying route 
(see my last post - yeah that's a long time ago )
We have enough cash to go pottery -> med -> drama to enable granaries and philo bulb as well as the GLobe (without horses, u better rely on the draft). I wouldn't break our aesthetic monopoly for alphabet alone (more when math is available, HR is available... and we have PH) personnally.
@kossin: being next to Joao explains better the lack of empire imo
(see my last post - yeah that's a long time ago )We have enough cash to go pottery -> med -> drama to enable granaries and philo bulb as well as the GLobe (without horses, u better rely on the draft). I wouldn't break our aesthetic monopoly for alphabet alone (more when math is available, HR is available... and we have PH) personnally.
@kossin: being next to Joao explains better the lack of empire imo
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
bumping him on msn...
Ah sorry guys. I kinda thought shyuhe would play some more turns IIRC that set was kindy short and I mentionned you may play on a little but didnt get a response to that.
Thing is I can't check the save for the next few days (thus no comments from me) so I'd be happy if you continued a little, shyuhe, sometime next week I'll be back up and running
Thing is I can't check the save for the next few days (thus no comments from me) so I'd be happy if you continued a little, shyuhe, sometime next week I'll be back up and running
shyuhe
Deity
I played on three more turns to get pottery + sailing and traded for alphabet. Monty won't trade IW for alpha 
Also whipped the settler to grab city #5. Research is set for currency.
Also whipped the settler to grab city #5. Research is set for currency.
When Athens hits size 4, I'd switch the wheat. The new city can just work the oasis.
Build the final settler soon. That city will take a long time to set up. Not sure where to build it. Corinth is the easiest, but I think we may want a GS out of there in the BC's...
Might hold off on IW for a bit, in hopes that we can make the trade with Monte when Charlie picks it up.
Willem is really spamming Judaism. I want our cities to get Buddhism.
Can we do gold-fur? We need diplo points. Might even do copper for a while. We can cancel later.
Tech: Currency seems right. Lit-Music isn't too exciting without marble.
Build the final settler soon. That city will take a long time to set up. Not sure where to build it. Corinth is the easiest, but I think we may want a GS out of there in the BC's...
Might hold off on IW for a bit, in hopes that we can make the trade with Monte when Charlie picks it up.
Willem is really spamming Judaism. I want our cities to get Buddhism.
Can we do gold-fur? We need diplo points. Might even do copper for a while. We can cancel later.
Tech: Currency seems right. Lit-Music isn't too exciting without marble.
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Sounds like we want to do a power squeeze on Leitia.
I think we should chop out another worker in Sparta now - after the Mon. Also, chop out the Library now in the new city over the granary. Not sure where to build the next settler - probably Sparta after a worker.
I think the desert spot 2N of the silk is a good spot and wherever we want to settle west of Athens.
I think we should chop out another worker in Sparta now - after the Mon. Also, chop out the Library now in the new city over the granary. Not sure where to build the next settler - probably Sparta after a worker.
I think the desert spot 2N of the silk is a good spot and wherever we want to settle west of Athens.
shyuhe
Deity
We only need one more city so on the desert to the south of Athens should do. I guess Athens or Corinth will be the best for building the settler. If we build the city early, we will want an extra worker to go with it.
A library on an oasis tile is pretty much useless. You have to be size 3-4 for a library to be useful (scientists) so put the chops into a granary if you're gonna chop.
A library on an oasis tile is pretty much useless. You have to be size 3-4 for a library to be useful (scientists) so put the chops into a granary if you're gonna chop.
Corinth could build a settler right away since there's plenty of overflow. It doesn't have enough tile improvements to make size 4 worthwhile anyway. 2N of silk is nice, but I don't see a point in settling our NW any time soon. Athens' next border pop in 12t will leave only two open tiles - a desert and a plains - is the AI really going to settle there if it stays open?
If we leave the sheep to Argos (I suppose that's what bbp meant), growth there would coincide nicely with the time the worker needs to mine one of the PHs. The Athens granary isn't critical at the moment, we can just work an unimproved FP there for now.
If we go library first at Argos we could just whip it at size 2, no need to waste precious worker time on chopping imo.
Gold<->fur with Joao sounds good, and maybe fish<->sheep with Charlie. I'd rather not give copper to Joao, it's safer to leave him without metals. Does it make a diplo difference how many resources you're trading?
If we leave the sheep to Argos (I suppose that's what bbp meant), growth there would coincide nicely with the time the worker needs to mine one of the PHs. The Athens granary isn't critical at the moment, we can just work an unimproved FP there for now.
If we go library first at Argos we could just whip it at size 2, no need to waste precious worker time on chopping imo.
Gold<->fur with Joao sounds good, and maybe fish<->sheep with Charlie. I'd rather not give copper to Joao, it's safer to leave him without metals. Does it make a diplo difference how many resources you're trading?
Yeah, granary first. We want the wheat, so extra culture is as good as more food in this case. Still, that city won't get anywhere without a granary, once we take away the sheep.
Edit: xpost
No, I meant we need the sheep in Athens. And, we do need a granary there.
Edit: xpost
No, I meant we need the sheep in Athens. And, we do need a granary there.
Better off only trading one resource per trade. You get points for resource-trade turns, and I think it's 50t for +1. So:
50t of gold <-> fur
or
25t of gold <-> fur & copper <-> something
or
50t of gold+copper <-> fur+something
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Well, my thinking on Oasis city is we need the culture if we want the wheat. The sooner we get the culture the better our chances are and Libs are easily chopped out with Creative. I certainly understand the value of the granary but I'm just looking at what we are trying to do with the city. Either we press Joao with culture or he does the reverse.
I think Sparta is best for the settler. We want Athens to grow back and Corinth to quickly get into GP farm shape. Sparta has improvements and forests to chop. The city way south can chop out another worker.
I think Sparta is best for the settler. We want Athens to grow back and Corinth to quickly get into GP farm shape. Sparta has improvements and forests to chop. The city way south can chop out another worker.
shyuhe
Deity
It's pretty unlikely that we'll nab the wheat from Joao. It's in his inner ring and he's at 20% culture so he's already dumping 10 cpt into that tile, minimum. We would have to reach 60% culture in Oasis to really start making a run at that wheat. The granary will let it grow and become a semi-decent hammer city.
What is the tech path? Currency--literature for the NE? We need to get it up quickly so that we can start cranking out scientists.
What is the tech path? Currency--literature for the NE? We need to get it up quickly so that we can start cranking out scientists.
