Kathy Griffin

[Lemon Merchant]

The point to that being that when a rightwinger does it, he's a hero that needs to be defended and when someone on the left does it, she's the worst criminal of all times. What she did was wrong. But the double standard in how she's treated is telling.

Of course. That seems to be the screwed up way the new world works. We're headed for the dark ages... or a serious dystopia, and we'll go there singing and holding hands - until they take our smartphones away.

 

[Ryika]

The point to that being that when a rightwinger does it, he's a hero that needs to be defended and when someone on the left does it, she's the worst criminal of all times. What she did was wrong. But the double standard in how she's treated is telling.

The ironic thing is that both sides have that double standard, but because the parts of the left who would show that double standard and defend her are so far down the outrage-over-jokes rabbit hole they don't show it anymore in those cases.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The ironic thing is that both sides have that double standard, but because the parts of the left who would show that double standard and defend her are so far down the outrage-over-jokes rabbit hole they don't show it anymore in those cases.

Except that you are comparing the left fringe "only a joke" crowd with the right's mainline "Ted's a hero for calling it like he see's it with [insert pejorative parody of Obama's name]." That side of the double standard isn't limited to some down the rabbit hole fringe.

 

[Commodore]

The point to that being that when a rightwinger does it, he's a hero that needs to be defended and when someone on the left does it, she's the worst criminal of all times. What she did was wrong. But the double standard in how she's treated is telling.

Again I ask: Are we living in the same world? You all act like a conservative has never been fired or dragged through the mud like Griffin has for anything they've said. For the past decade or so it's been nothing but conservatives getting fired and humiliated for what they say. There is no double standard here.

 

[Berzerker]

Okay, people are outraged, I guess... What was Trump's reaction? Did he shrug it off or did he complain about her political un-correctness?

 

[El_Machinae]

Again I ask: Are we living in the same world? You all act like a conservative has never been fired or dragged through the mud like Griffin has for anything they've said. For the past decade or so it's been nothing but conservatives getting fired and humiliated for what they say. There is no double standard here.

Well, except that Trump won the election and people don't want him impeached for being a terrible, terrible person. It's gonna be weird, since Trump is now the poster-child for "What the Republican Party Finds Acceptable".

 

[Commodore]

Well, except that Trump won the election and people don't want him impeached for being a terrible, terrible person. It's gonna be weird, since Trump is now the poster-child for "What the Republican Party Finds Acceptable".

I meant there's no double standard in how this particular situation was handled. Kathy Griffin did something risky and got fired for it. It happens all the time to all kinds of people regardless of their political leanings. CNN didn't fire Kathy Griffin because they don't agree with her politics, they fired her because her shenanigans became a threat to their business (or at least, that's how CNN perceived it). Just like how that one guy from Duck Dynasty got fired from the show by A&E after he made some anti-gay statements in an interview. Just like with Griffin, the decision to fire him after that wasn't a political decision by A&E, it was a business one as both viewers and advertisers were threatening to boycott A&E if they didn't do something. Corporations are notoriously spineless and will do whatever you want when you can present a credible threat to their bottom line.

Now, there weren't any threats to boycott CNN over Griffin, but that's because CNN acted quickly and preemptively. They decided to fire her before people even started thinking about a boycott in order to prevent this from becoming a bigger thing than it already was. Pretty smart business decision on CNN's part. Maybe not so great for the cause of free speech, but as our laws are currently structured, it's not CNN's job as a private for-profit business to champion free speech.

 

[Berzerker]

I'm inclined to boycott corporations that fire people for speaking their minds

boycotting CNN wont require any effort

 

[metatron]

I'm inclined to boycott corporations that fire people for speaking their minds

boycotting CNN wont require any effort

Erm... doesn't you not consuming the product in the first place detract from the efficacy of the boycott?

 

[Berzerker]

yes, they wont miss me either

 

[Cutlass]

Again I ask: Are we living in the same world? You all act like a conservative has never been fired or dragged through the mud like Griffin has for anything they've said. For the past decade or so it's been nothing but conservatives getting fired and humiliated for what they say. There is no double standard here.

There's a massive difference in scale that you are choosing to ignore here. Griffin did one thing. Her career is over. Pretty much instantly. It's not just her employers and their sponsors, it's all the viewers as well. Gone.

Nugent hasn't lost his job. Limbaugh hasn't lost his job. Coulter hasn't lost her job. Over the course of years they have all been worse. The few who did lose their jobs, it's not because their employer or fan base turned on them, it's because their advertisers forced the issue. And in all those cases, it was many years of doing and saying things as bad or worse than what Griffin got canned for doing once.

 

[Commodore]

And in all those cases, it was many years of doing and saying things as bad or worse than what Griffin got canned for doing once.

Well what does that tell you? It tells you CNN was probably looking to get rid of her anyway and this little fiasco provided them with the perfect excuse to do it. There is no grand conspiracy against leftists Cutlass. Leftists have been the mainstream in media and entertainment for quite some time now (at least 20 years, likely longer), so it's kinda hard to play the persecution card when you are the mainstream.

Nugent hasn't lost his job.

What job does Nugent have? More specifically, who is his employer that has the power to fire him?

Limbaugh hasn't lost his job. Coulter hasn't lost her job.

Because they were smart and chose to work for organizations where their "brand" would be profitable. Remember, you can be as offensive, bigoted, and crude as you want in the US as long as what you're doing is making money for someone.

Griffin did one thing. Her career is over. Pretty much instantly. It's not just her employers and their sponsors, it's all the viewers as well. Gone

Am I supposed to feel bad for her? This very same thing happens to regular people every day when they make just one mistake at work. Difference is, those regular people don't have the a fat bank account to fall back on like Griffin does. So you'll have to forgive me if I don't shed any tears for a washed-up comedian who wasn't all that great to begin with because she destroyed her own career on a stupid PR stunt in a desperate attempt to stay relevant.

If she's smart enough and talented enough, she'll find a way to keep her career going. Hell, all she has to do is start a YouTube channel. She'll have to watch what she does on there as well though, what with all the new "advertiser friendly" content rules.

 

[Cutlass]

Well what does that tell you? It tells you CNN was probably looking to get rid of her anyway and this little fiasco provided them with the perfect excuse to do it. There is no grand conspiracy against leftists Cutlass. Leftists have been the mainstream in media and entertainment for quite some time now (at least 20 years, likely longer), so it's kinda hard to play the persecution card when you are the mainstream.



What job does Nugent have? More specifically, who is his employer that has the power to fire him?



Because they were smart and chose to work for organizations where their "brand" would be profitable. Remember, you can be as offensive, bigoted, and crude as you want in the US as long as what you're doing is making money for someone.



Am I supposed to feel bad for her? This very same thing happens to regular people every day when they make just one mistake at work. Difference is, those regular people don't have the a fat bank account to fall back on like Griffin does. So you'll have to forgive me if I don't shed any tears for a washed-up comedian who wasn't all that great to begin with because she destroyed her own career on a stupid PR stunt in a desperate attempt to stay relevant.

If she's smart enough and talented enough, she'll find a way to keep her career going. Hell, all she has to do is start a YouTube channel. She'll have to watch what she does on there as well though, what with all the new "advertiser friendly" content rules.

So you admit there's a double standard. One offense for someone on the left, decades of constant abuse from those on the right.

 

[Commodore]

So you admit there's a double standard. One offense for someone on the left, decades of constant abuse from those on the right.

No. How you got that from my post is mind-boggling.

EDIT: You just want to desperately believe that leftists are still the oppressed fighting against the conservative "man". Newsflash buddy: the left is "the man" now. You are mainstream, the establishment. That means you don't get to play the victim card anymore.

 

[El_Machinae]

I think people are mistaking Commodore's point along the 'explanation is an excuse'. Go back, it's an explanation only.

CNN courts a crowd that disparages the idea of decapitation as a form of protest. Limbaugh courts people who want him to say horrible things.

 

[Kyriakos]

@Commodore mentioned the main point here, that Nugent doesn't have a job to be at risk. Similar to how Kanye doesn't. They aren't requiring a media outlet to do their thing (whatever it is).

I think this is more distraction and crap, and an own-goal, really. When you should be focusing on Trump you now have side-shows to dilute the effect.

Other than that... Griffin's demise seems analogous to Milo's. Both side-shows.

Re CNN: if they despise decapitation so much perhaps they should hold Hill and many others accountable for being pro-Saudi, where, you know, real public medieval-style executions take place. CNN is garbage, as usual.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I think people are mistaking Commodore's point along the 'explanation is an excuse'. Go back, it's an explanation only.

CNN courts a crowd that disparages the idea of decapitation as a form of protest. Limbaugh courts people who want him to say horrible things.

Which brings us back to the core problem.

Griffin does something offensive, the left is appalled, the right is outraged.
Nugent does something offensive, the left is appalled, the right is entranced.

The core problem is neither Griffin nor Nugent. The core problem is the right.

 

[BvBPL]

I think you’ll find that the mainstream right has been disgusted with Nugent, and that the fringe left has its support for Griffin.

The underlying problem is violence.

 

[Lexicus]

I think you’ll find that the mainstream right has been disgusted with Nugent,

In what universe does one National Review writer constitute "the mainstream right"?

 

[metalhead]

The GOP cognoscenti are no longer "the mainstream right." The Trumpists are. The elites have been completely marginalized, in favor of the types of people that cheer Ted Nugent on.