Aleksey_aka_al
Smiley
He's a billionaire and a president, so he is greater than most of his haters, at least that!
You didn't.
Keeping Donald great forever
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What has he done with his billions that actually makes marginalized populations less marginalized?
Has he ever done so much as help a stray animal?
Perfection
The Great Head.
Do KKK members count as a marginalized population?
Aleksey_aka_al
Smiley
Being great is not necessary about being charitable altruist caring of every living creature. There are no such individuals. And helping a stray animal is often an unreasonable, sanctimonious and egoistical act.
Being great is about exceeding others in abilities, personal qualities, influences, powers and/or possessions, whatever they are.
Trump doesn't discuss you. But you discuss Trump as a daily routine. Trump doesn't depend on you. But you depend on him, because he's the president of America. This means he's greater. Whether you like it or not, he's great compared to an average individual. Whether Trump is a good person or bad, he remains great. And good-bad dichotomy is a very speculative thing.
And what makes him even greater, compared to his major opponents like Clinton or Obama, is that there's much more of personality in him, while Clinton or Obama, as political figures, are more about allegiances, they are not as self-sufficient.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Greatness usually has a connotation of goodness. I do not consider Hitler to be a great man. I consider him a terrible man.
BS. You're going to have to explain how helping a stray animal is anything but a good act, unless the stray you help is a vicious predator. For example, I would never help a stray python unless it was to ensure it was either captured or killed. I wouldn't take it home as a pet.
OTOH, I've helped numerous stray cats. I'd have a tiny sliver of respect for Trump if he could say the same. It wouldn't even have to be a cat. A dog, horse, bird, donation to a wildlife centre, anything that benefits animals.
What possessions does Trump have that I could possibly want, unless he's got the exact rare science fiction books I've been hunting for the past 30-40 years?
I feel contempt for Trump on a daily basis. As for me depending on him, in what universe would that be? He's not the president of Canada, so why should I "depend" on him? Of course I hope his bizarre behavior can be contained, since him dragging us to war alongside his country would not be a good thing.
When Obama came to Canada and addressed Parliament, he was acclaimed with "Four more years!" by the MPs.
Somehow, I doubt Trump will ever be invited for a state visit, I doubt he will ever be invited to address our Parliament, and even if he were, there is no way in hell that he would receive the tiniest fraction of the respect Obama received.
Aleksey_aka_al
Smiley
That's called bias.
What about Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great? They all did terrible things.
Gandhi was a racist, does that make him much less great, or we just pretend he wasn't?
Aleksey_aka_al
Smiley
When you realize that cats are exactly vicious predators, we can continue that talk and then touch some advanced nuances.
I wouldn't trade levels of intellect with him even if it came with billions of dollars.
And really, I don't hate Trump. I simply don't have any respect for him.
MilesGregarius
Half-baked Renegade
Famous/powerful does not equate to "great."
You're list changed the world through their skill/ability. Would you consider Louis XVI, Napoleon III, or Nicholas II "great" merely because they were leaders of great nations?
Why? Unless someone here reads Dumarest of Terra and has a copy of the last book in the series that they're willing to sell for a reasonable price, or the last 3 Laser Books I'm missing, I'm not sure what posting a list will accomplish. At least on this site.
I haven't gotten the impression that there are a lot of SF book collectors on CFC.
Vicious predators in what way? Mice are vermin. Birds have the advantage of being able to fly.
No mice or birds kept me from freezing to death on a frigid winter night when the furnace stopped working. The cats, on the other hand, cuddled up with me and we all shared body heat.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Being biased against people who do terrible things seems pretty reasonable to me.
Trump can't even control his own cabinet. By historical standards he's not that powerful. And his power mostly comes from unscrupulousness, egotism, luck, and parental wealth. There is not much to admire in him.
Gandhi had compensatory virtues.
Aleksey_aka_al
Smiley
They are great in certain contexts and comparisons. There are certainly people around you, like in the company where you work, whom you could call great in certain contexts. And calling them that wouldn't trouble you, I am sure.
We can call Robert Edward Lee a great person, can't we? Of course we will hardly find the context in which he would be greater than Napoleon, but we will also hardly find a context in which an average modern day American, or to be more specific, an average leftist would be greater than Robert Edward Lee.
In other words, you are overstating yourself. That's the problem with the liberal crowd and people who are obsessed with being all-goody-goody in general.
He's not the president of some unrecognised state in Somalia. Even I depend on him, living in the opposite hemisphere and a bit more significant country than Canada.
So, you yourself connected everything to "me" and "me warm".
Your motives are not sanctimonious nor egoistical, no, no. You are an altruist, self-sacrificing protector of cutie cats and a warrior of light against infernal hideous snakes!
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Could you rephrase this so it makes sense? Thanks.
Do you depend on the position or the individual who fills that position? The president of the U.S. has an influence on what happens in our respective countries. But I wouldn't consider Donald Trump qualified to clean my cat's litter box.
Considering that I could have died of hypothermia that night, yeah, damn right I connected everything to "me" and "me warm."
I won't go out of my way to kill a snake. Actually, I never have killed a snake. They're welcome to remain alive, as long as it's a long, long way from me.
Yes, I've gone without sleep, food, and changed apartments for the sake of my cats. If it comes down to it, my cat eats before I do. I've got the option of the food bank in an emergency. She doesn't.
#EvilLivesMatter
Perfection
The Great Head.
I don't depend on Trump, I depend on people around Trump playing damage control
Nope. That was the OTHER Commodore.
Aleksey_aka_al
Smiley
Reasonable like in beneficial?
Of course not. But still he's a more significant figure than you or me or Valka, or (I'd risk it) even Hillary. He's one of the most significant people on Earth right now.
Not much, but still enough. He is an example of someone who achieves a great ambition (presidency in his case) through life long way towards it. He is the only president in the American history who got there without ever being part of the government establishment. He is a great troll, you can't take that away
. He has pretty women as wives and daughters.If you are not the right character, you could never move beyond that and easily lose everything. Trump managed to be the right character.
