Let's assume the UN fails, and Iran gets nukes

[emzie]

Maybe I'm too influenced by the cold war, but I cannot see Iran using such weapons, even through proxies. Seriously, if Hezbollah nuked Haifa, southern Leabanon would be destroyed within the hour and Iran in a day. There would be no investigation.

Iran knows Israel is just as fanatical about herown survival as it is about her distruction, actually much more so. Wow pronouns are confusing.

However, they do get a big negotiation chip. That political piece scares me more than the threat (not the idea) of Tel Aviv being nuked.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

Worse case:

Mahmoud Ahmadinezhad thanks Allah for "giving" him nukes, and vows to destroy Israel. After some "negotiations" trying to get the Israelis out of Palestine fail, he nukes Israel. US nukes Iran in return. US might get a few cities nuked too. 77,000,000 or more people wiped out, and large parts of the world nuked.

I don't know if Ahmadinejad really is that insane, but I wouldn't take my chance.

 

[El_Machinae]

The problem with OP is that it's assuming that Iran wants nukes; and so people look like they're already advocating a 'worst case scenario' response.

 

[Masquerouge]

The problem with OP is that it's assuming that Iran wants nukes; and so people look like they're already advocating a 'worst case scenario' response.

Another problem to me is the double standards between North Korea and Iran.

 

[El_Machinae]

It's tough to fully use NK as a model, due to the suicidal tendencies in Islam.

 

[skadistic]

The problem with OP is that it's assuming that Iran wants nukes; and so people look like they're already advocating a 'worst case scenario' response.

Iran does want nukes. They could have peacefull nuke energy all day long. Its the fact they said no to it being given to then and the fact they barred UN IAEA inspectors from seeing thier "peaceful" nuke labs and the fact that not only are they refining uranium hexaflouride beyond levels needed for peacefull use but they are also refining plutonium.

 

[skadistic]

NK was in unilateral negotiations with the US and promised not to build nukes. They lied.

Iran is in multilateral negotiations promising not to build nukes. Do you trust them?

Hows that for a compairision? Did sanctions work with NK? Think they will work with Iran?

 

[El_Machinae]

The comparison with regards to the potential to lie, lies with the fatwa against nuclear weapons. I have no information about major fatwas being rescinded.

I mean, if the Pope stood up and said "We're not conducting cloning research in the Vatican", I'd believe him, y'know?

 

[Winner]

Worse case:

Mahmoud Ahmadinezhad thanks Allah for "giving" him nukes, and vows to destroy Israel. After some "negotiations" trying to get the Israelis out of Palestine fail, he nukes Israel. US nukes Iran in return. US might get a few cities nuked too. 77,000,000 or more people wiped out, and large parts of the world nuked.

I don't know if Ahmadinejad really is that insane, but I wouldn't take my chance.

1) He won't do it. He may be radical, but he isn't idiot.

2) The first one who would nuke Iran had they dropped a bomb on Israel would be the Israelis, of course.

3) Iran has no missile that could possibly reach US mainland.

4) The actual casaulties wouldn't be so high. There is a wrong conviction circulating among people that a standard-issue nuclear bomb wipes out entire population of the attacked city. That's of course not true.

Full-scale nuclear war between Iran and Israel would kill "only" few million people in Iran and hundreds of thousands in Israel.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

I mean, if the Pope stood up and said "We're not conducting cloning research in the Vatican", I'd believe him, y'know?

I wouldnt.

 

[skadistic]

The comparison with regards to the potential to lie, lies with the fatwa against nuclear weapons. I have no information about major fatwas being rescinded.

I mean, if the Pope stood up and said "We're not conducting cloning research in the Vatican", I'd believe him, y'know?

Would you still believe the pope if hes importing cloning material and setting up cloning labs?

Its not what is said its what is done. Actions speak louder then words and all that. If you want to trust a nation that uses terrorists to fight its battles and refining weapons grade nucaler material for "peacefull" reasons it will be folly to do so.

I'd rather not trust them and be wrong then trust them and be wrong.

 

[emzie]

3) Iran has no missile that could possibly reach US mainland.

4) The actual casaulties wouldn't be so high. There is a wrong conviction circulating among people that a standard-issue nuclear bomb wipes out entire population of the attacked city. That's of course not true.

Full-scale nuclear war between Iran and Israel would kill "only" few million people in Iran and hundreds of thousands in Israel.

3) Nor would Russia or China get involved to that level.

4) True, and untrue. One bomb would destory a few square kilometers of Tel Aviv; who says there would be only one bomb? No country is going to launch an attack unless it believes it will come out less damaged... that means having enough nukes to wipe much of Israel into the sea.

War isn't measured in just deaths either, but money as well.

 

[nivi]

4) The actual casaulties wouldn't be so high. There is a wrong conviction circulating among people that a standard-issue nuclear bomb wipes out entire population of the attacked city. That's of course not true.

Full-scale nuclear war between Iran and Israel would kill "only" few million people in Iran and hundreds of thousands in Israel.

Full scale nuclear war, would wipe out Israel, completely. The land will be uninhabitable.
And, a full scale nuclear between Iran and Israel, *may* result in the destruction of europes and arab capitals, depending on how serious samson option realy is.

3 nukes- Hifa, Tel-Aviv, and Eilat, would set Israel back a 100 () years.

 

[Joe Harker]

Anti-war is the Dem. party line.

it isn't though, they supported the war in iraq and were struck dumb when they found no WMD so they used the line, we supported the war because it freed the iraqi people, some freedom, and this is coming from a Brit

Also nuclear weapons don't just have a big explosion effect, the radiation causes problems in people for god knows how long. (look at japan the only two nuclear strikes in anger have happen there and they are still feeling the effects, they have a higher rate of cancer deaths than any other developed country). and it gets to almost everywhere, even the best bunkers can't stop it coming though and possible harming

 

[Cannae]

What I'd like to know is: we elect an anti-war Democrat in 2008, and one day a few years down the line,

If such a thing happens and the withdraw (which I am NOTin favor of) the best thing you Neo-Cons sholud do is suck it up and move on

What I'd like to know is: Iran announces they have nukes? What happens then? Where do we go from here?

Nothing big why make such a big deal about it many other nations have nukes.I think you would in order to lanch a bomb on someone would have to be a menatly ill, fanatical, a loon and a apcoliptic seeker.

 

[Gilder]

If it does come to war between Iran and Israel, I wonder how people will react to Jeruselum being nuked.

 

[nivi]

Nothing big why make such a big deal about it many other nations have nukes.I think you would in order to lanch a bomb on someone would have to be a menatly ill, fanatical, a loon and a apcoliptic seeker.

Check, check, check, and double check.

 

[emzie]

If it does come to war between Iran and Israel, I wonder how people will react to Jeruselum being nuked.

Never ever ever would happen. Jeruselum is a holy city to Muslims too -- indeed, it's not a majority Jewish city.

 

[Joe Harker]

I don't think iran would nuke jersalem as it is one of islams most holiest cities, it would be interesting granted but it won't happen

 

[Gilder]

Never ever ever would happen. Jeruselum is a holy city to Muslims too -- indeed, it's not a majority Jewish city.

I know, and actually that's what I was mostly referring to. It's bound to never happen, and if on the impossible chance it does, no one's going to like Iran anymore.