Let's have a vote: Should the West intervene in Syria?

[ReindeerThistle]

@Demonic: Communists work harder, that's my point.

Didn't read whatever you linked, 'cause I don't care. Stop about China. There are more members of CPC than there are adults in the US who are functionally literate. Name one capitalist country run by a communist party.

Lenin admonished us to never be afraid to stand as a minority, and I can safely say I have met more members of the CPC than you have, or likely anyone on CFC. Just 'cause lefty and righty peeps don't think its Red, don't make it not Red.

Nuff said.

And, btw, I did not get much sleep last night.
Buuuut the morning espresso -- ooh la-la.

Tough bein' me.

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[DemonicAppleGuY]

@Demonic: Communists work harder, that's my point.

Well they have to. They're methods are so inefficient they'd starve if they didn't

Didn't read whatever you linked, 'cause I don't care. Stop about China. There are more members of CPC than there are adults in the US who are functionally literate. Name one capitalist country run by a communist party.

You know, just because a country calls itself something doesn't mean it is man. Is North Korea a democracy? I don't think so.

Lenin admonished us to never be afraid to stand as a minority, and I can safely say I have met more members of the CPC than you have, or likely anyone on CFC. Just 'cause lefty and righty peeps don't think its Red, don't make it not Red.

Generally if the educated think something, it is true.

Nuff said.

And, btw, I did not get much sleep last night.
Buuuut the morning espresso -- ooh la-la.

Tough bein' me.

Yeah it must really suck being you considering you seem to be trying to prove something all the time.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Not to you I ain't.

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[bhsup]

Lenin admonished us to never be afraid to stand as a minority, and I can safely say I have met more members of the CPC than you have, or likely anyone on CFC. Just 'cause lefty and righty peeps don't think its Red, don't make it not Red.

I've been screaming that for years, but nobody listens to me

 

[Borachio]

China may be Red. But it's become a rather capitalist flavour of red of late.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

200,000 Chinese doctors in 49 nations on humanitarian missions; 30,000 Cuban doctors and educators on 2 dozen nations -- if course it's not easy - that's why only communists do it.

That's impressive! Do you have a link for more info?

 

[Borachio]

In comparison, Médecins_Sans_Frontières, alone, provides 26,000 mostly doctors and other medical professionals in over 60 countries.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

In comparison, Médecins_Sans_Frontières, alone, provides 26,000 mostly doctors and other medical professionals in over 60 countries.

Goes to show you what is possible.

@ loppan: the Cuban figure is a round number from my frienda ay the Cuban UN mission.
The China figure is from a CCTV broadcast.
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[DemonicAppleGuY]

@ loppan: the Cuban figure is a round number from my frienda ay the Cuban UN mission.
The China figure is from a CCTV broadcast.

So what reason do we have to consider them accurate them? You've been provably wrong about statistics a number of times.

 

[red_elk]

Just a quick search:

In 2007, "Cuba has 42,000 workers in international collaborations in 103 different countries, of whom more than 30,000 are health personnel, including no fewer than 19,000 physicians."[2] Cuba provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined,[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Edit: Didn't find numbers for China yet, just some crazy millions of total number of health personnel in China.
Wouldn't be anything unbelievable if they sent a few hundreds of thousands abroad.

 

[DemonicAppleGuY]

Just a quick search:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Edit: Didn't find numbers for China yet, just some crazy millions of total number of health personnel in China.
Wouldn't be anything unbelievable if they sent a few hundreds of thousands abroad.

I assume by "provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined" it is only including government paid for personnel.

Would be interested to know.

 

[Borachio]

This is incredible.

You mean that while MSF provides 26,000 medical personnel, the rest of the G8 nations only manage to muster 4,000?

Well... colour me stupified.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Lenin admonished us to never be afraid to stand as a minority, and I can safely say I have met more members of the CPC than you have, or likely anyone on CFC. Just 'cause lefty and righty peeps don't think its Red, don't make it not Red.

I've been screaming that for years, but nobody listens to me

Right. We have more in common than you'd think. We both like aircraft carriers, the eighties, we're roughly the same age, and we have no lost love for the liberals...

Joooooooooooin us!


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[Lord Baal]

So what reason do we have to consider them accurate them? You've been provably wrong about statistics a number of times.

His statistics aren't inaccurate, they're reinterpreted so as to provide the greatest defence against decadent Western capitalist propaganda.

 

[Dachs]

You'll not get a disagreement from me on that.

Indeed, I'd say if the billions spent on the military went on aid and development instead, the world would be very quickly transformed.

It's not going to happen, though. The military-industrial lobby is far too powerful.

Try solving the Syrian problem solely with humanitarian aid money and no military element. You'll get this nightmare. Or maybe this one.

 

[Perfection]

We should depose Assad, and make John Kerry lifelong king. Then nuke Iran just for the Hell of it.

 

[Borachio]

Try solving the Syrian problem solely with humanitarian aid money and no military element. You'll get this nightmare. Or maybe this one.

To say "you will get this" is a little strong. I don't know how anyone could know this.

 

[Lord Baal]

To say "you will get this" is a little strong. I don't know how anyone could know this.

Using only humanitarian aid with no military action has failed to result in a positive outcome in the two cases Dachs mentioned. I would be extremely surprised if there is even a single case of such an approach working. I could name several other similar situations to Dachs myself, but don't want to take the time to find their Wiki pages. Why you are nitpicking at his statement I do not know, but his message is clear; similar actions produce similar results.

 

[Borachio]

Shall I produce a list of military actions that have failed to result in a positive outcome?

 

[Lord Baal]

Shall I produce a list of military actions that have failed to result in a positive outcome?

There is a difference between actions which may or may not result in positive outcomes - military action - and results that have never resulted in a positive outcome. One might as well argue that religions are true despite no attempt to prove his existence ever working by citing specific instances of scientific experiments not working.