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Liz Cheney Would Call John Adams a Terrorists’ Pal: Ann Woolner
March 09, 2010, 9:20 PM EST

Commentary by Ann Woolner

March 10 (Bloomberg) -- Liz Cheney, meet John Adams. Perhaps you have heard of him.

A Founding Father of our nation, he became America’s first vice president and its second president.

But before all that, back when he was practicing law in Boston, Adams did precisely what you say should disqualify lawyers from representing his country.

He defended the enemy. Charged with murder for the Boston massacre of 1770, let’s call his clients the Redcoat Nine.

Adams advocated for them so well that he persuaded a jury to acquit seven of the nine, including the captain charged with ordering the deadly shooting of rioting revolutionaries.

And he was proud of it. Adams would later call the episode “one of the most gallant, generous, manly and disinterested actions of my whole life, and one of the best pieces of service I ever rendered my country.”

If he had done the modern-day version of that and then taken a job at the Justice Department, Liz Cheney would complain. She would say that shows the president and attorney general aren’t serious about defeating the enemy.

That’s what she says about Attorney General Eric Holder because he hired lawyers who represented Guantanamo Bay detainees in cases against the U.S. government.

Ominous Music

An ad produced by a group she cofounded called Keep America Safe labeled the lawyers the “Al Qaeda 7.” Ominous music plays while a video shows Holder promising during the presidential campaign that an Obama administration would hire people who “share our values.”

She implies these lawyers, plus two more Holder initially named, aided and abetted the enemy and might now be dangerously influencing the nation’s approach to terrorism.

“Personnel is policy here,” she told Bill O’Reilly on Fox News last week.

If former vice president Dick Cheney’s daughter actually believes what she is saying, she needs more than a history lesson. She needs a civics lesson, too.

These lawyers, like Adams, are aiding and abetting the American legal system. It works best when opposing sides have lawyers dedicated to capably advocating for their clients, however unpopular.

The lawyer who defends a child rapist doesn’t support raping children. The attorney who represents a multiple murderer doesn’t approve of killing. What they approve of, no doubt, is making the system work.

Determining Guilt

Besides, the whole point of the system, whether civilian or military, is to determine whether the accused committed the offense. Cheney skips over that step in claiming that these lawyers’ clients were terrorists.

A lawyer herself, Cheney should know this.

But that knowledge doesn’t show up in her rhetoric as a conservative pundit, so Republicans are lining up to try to educate her.

Attorneys who have represented Guantanamo detainees are “good, honorable lawyers” and uphold “the finest traditions of our country” by taking on unpopular clients, said Kenneth Starr on MSNBC. The law school dean at Pepperdine University previously was President Bill Clinton’s nemesis.

“It is part of the responsibility of lawyers” to represent such people, Theodore Olson told Politico. As solicitor general during George W. Bush’s administration, Olson defended the president’s policies.

Republican Statement

And 19 lawyers, including Starr and other prominent Republicans, signed a statement this week bearing precisely that message and more.

“Such attacks also undermine the justice system” by “delegitimizing” the notion that the accused should have lawyers, the statement says.

Its signers include Larry D. Thompson, second in command at John Ashcroft’s Justice Department and now general counsel to PepsiCo Inc.

Whether before a military commission or civilian court, you need a good defense lawyer to offer the strongest arguments based on thoroughly researched facts, says the letter.

In these cases, defenders of the detainees fared better before the Supreme Court than the defenders of Bush-Cheney policies. The court ruled repeatedly that the administration had violated constitutional, international and statutory law in its handling of suspected terrorists.

Fit for Service

So, what makes the detainees’ lawyers anything less than promoters of the rule of law? How does that make them unfit for service at the Justice Department? Could it be that their very success is what most bothers the former vice president’s daughter?

She would apparently prefer the Bush-Cheney lawyers who essentially excused torture and advised that during a time of war the president didn’t have to follow the law.

Two of those lawyers, John Yoo and Jay Bybee, at best used poor judgment, according to an internal report released last month. At worst they engaged in recklessness or professional misconduct, according to ethics investigators who were overruled in the report.

Or perhaps Ms. Cheney longs for the days when you had to prove yourself an ideologically pure conservative to get even career posts at the Justice Department.

Nonetheless, Holder has himself to blame for not heading off the Cheney attack. If he had disclosed the names of the lawyers back in November when Republican Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa first asked for them, if he had spelled out precisely how any conflicts of interest are handled, he might have denied Cheney an opening.

An administration that claims transparency can’t go around hiding information, even when it suspects its critics will abuse whatever they are told.

But then, neither should a lawyer claim that the nation is somehow weakened when it is held to the rule of law.

The first vice president knew that. The daughter of the last vice president should, too.

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--Editors: Jim Rubin, James Greiff.

-0- Mar/10/2010 02:00 GMT

To contact the writer of this column: Ann Woolner in Atlanta at awoolner@bloomberg.net.

To contact the editor responsible for this column: James Greiff at jgreiff@bloomberg.net.

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So Liz is attacking another basis of US Constitutional law and basic liberty. She's trying to intimidate the lawyers so to prevent the defendants from getting fair trials. Apparently these people have so little respect for the law and the Constitution that they can't risk the American system operating at all.
 
Needs the Young Turks.

Link to video.

It is rather despicable that they're trying to start a witch hunt against those that work on defence. Obviously she has no respect for the western legal system.
 
So Liz is attacking another basis of US Constitutional law and basic liberty. She's trying to intimidate the lawyers so to prevent the defendants from getting fair trials.

This can't be repeated enough: these people are opposed to the idea of fair trials. These people are monsters.

You'd think that their McCarthy-ite smears would be slowed by the fact that many of the Guantanamo detainees are defended by military lawyers (is the Department of Defense the "Department of Jihad?"), but that would assume that they care about something other than political power (e.g., truth) and regaining it at any cost. They don't.

Cleo
 
Another mind-twisted member of the 'elite' spews discordant chaos, no doubt under orders from daddy dearest.

These law insects are the worst type of divider. Although looking closer, we must wonder why she
would attack the masonic 'gods' who founded the very system her masonic dad is heavily part of?

Obviously a well-planned political scheme of self-serving mischief is underway here...

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yes he did

and where in the Constitution do enemy soldiers get trials? The Constitution says Congress makes the rules regarding wartime captures, so trials are a luxury. Now I think she's despicable for going after the lawyers, they dont write the laws and if Congress says these prisoners get trials then they get trials.
 
Reminds me of Otto Schily our former minister of the interior. During the seventies he represented the RAF in court and was decried by the right-wing press as a "terrorist lawyer".
He said years later in an interview "If a colleague of mine is an public defender in a murder trial should we call him a murderer lawyer ?
 
I doubt that, but whatever they may be, Congress makes the rules about their status.

And has not said that they are enemy soldiers. In fact, a lot of effort has been put into denying them the status of soldiers. So you can't have it both ways.
 
I doubt that, but whatever they may be, Congress makes the rules about their status.

The Constitution says that the writ of habeas corpus may not be suspended except by Congress when during rebellion or invasion the public safety requires it. The Congress did not suspend the writ, therefore these detainees can file habeas petitions.

Cleo
 
I saw this quote from "A Man for All Seasons" on the NYTimes comment page about the article. Nicely sums up how I feel about the issue:

Roper, son-in-law to Thomas More, wants More to preemptively arrest a dangerous spy who has broken no law:
"Margaret: While you talk he's going!
More: Go he should, if he were the Devil himself, until he broke the law.
Roper: So now you give the Devil benefit of law.
More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get to the Devil?
Roper: Yes! I would cut down every law in England to do that.
More: Oh? And when the last law was cut down, and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, man's laws, not God's, and if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety's sake."
 
To be honest, I always thought that was one of the most admirable things he did. Everyone deserves justice.
 
They werent enemy soldiers; you were under legitimate British rule at the time; it was martial law.
 
I doubt that, but whatever they may be, Congress makes the rules about their status.

That is a tautology and as such holds no meaning.

Saying that the law-makers make the laws is no kind of response to the assertion that x is against the law, beyond reiterating that the laws are a mutable human construct.
 
And has not said that they are enemy soldiers. In fact, a lot of effort has been put into denying them the status of soldiers. So you can't have it both ways.

It dont matter what we call 'em, the Constitution says Congress shall have the power to determine the treatment of war time captures. And I'm not having it both ways, I'm not George Bush nor did I support him or his Orwelian word games. To me they've always been POWs - prisoners of war. And POWs typically do not get trials... The trials are for the POWs we plan on keeping a while, or killing.

The Constitution says that the writ of habeas corpus may not be suspended except by Congress when during rebellion or invasion the public safety requires it. The Congress did not suspend the writ, therefore these detainees can file habeas petitions.

Cleo

Art 1 Sec 8

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

I dont see anything about writs... Congress declared war, and with war comes captures - Congress decides what to do with POWs. Now what war(s) did the US fight in which all the POWs got trials? None? There ya go...

That is a tautology and as such holds no meaning.

Saying that the law-makers make the laws is no kind of response to the assertion that x is against the law, beyond reiterating that the laws are a mutable human construct.

The Constitution says that, I'm just pointing to where it says it. Now whats (X) against the law again?

Where did y'all get the idea we give POWs trials? We do that only at our leisure...
 
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