Lord of the Rings The Return of the King
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Superevie
Latina Goddess™
Originally posted by Matrix
You should hear out my girlfriend.(I don't mind though.
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Ha ha!
The ladies love Aragorn!
Superevie
Latina Goddess™
Your mom is a very smart woman.
Zamphyr
Master of the Pan Flute
Looking forward to it. Read all Tolkien's books many times.
Movies. Fellowship was a 7.5, bumped up to a 9 in the extended version. Two Towers - 5 at best, hopefully 6 with bonus scenes. WTF did they make Gimli the comic relief ? "Never toss a dwarf ???"
Hopefully, Return of the King can recover and round out the trilology in great form...however more is always better, can't wait for RotK DVD with bonus scenes
Movies. Fellowship was a 7.5, bumped up to a 9 in the extended version. Two Towers - 5 at best, hopefully 6 with bonus scenes. WTF did they make Gimli the comic relief ? "Never toss a dwarf ???"
Hopefully, Return of the King can recover and round out the trilology in great form...however more is always better, can't wait for RotK DVD with bonus scenes
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Fellowship 9. Two Towers were faulty towers, and come in at 3.5-4.
As a reader of fantasy books I find LOTR a touch disappointing - bit too long and with a poor ending - so the book gets a 7 from me. The first film was ok (too many pointless changes) so only 6 - the second film - I've got the DVD just haven't watched it yet...
WickedSmurf
pr0
The books are better than the movies, as always.
The thing is that Tolkien has taken close to all of the stories from old Norse mythology, a very long poem named Eddan.
The movie The Two Towers was a bit of a let down... Not the same atmosphere as in The Fellowship...
The thing is that Tolkien has taken close to all of the stories from old Norse mythology, a very long poem named Eddan.
The movie The Two Towers was a bit of a let down... Not the same atmosphere as in The Fellowship...
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Books: 9.5
Movie (FOTR): 9
Movie (TTT): 8 (would be higher if he didn't fall into the river and have that five minute thing where Arwen comes)
Movie (FOTR): 9
Movie (TTT): 8 (would be higher if he didn't fall into the river and have that five minute thing where Arwen comes)
sebanaj
Prince
didn't like any of the LOTR movies, i think they're for children.
Darkness
Shadow creature
Movies get a 10
Books get a 5, but only barely...
Books get a 5, but only barely...
jpowers
Emperor
Before Tolkein 'elves and stuff' were hardly overdone. After LOTR, you had all those copy artists (Terry Brooks anybody?) who flooded bookstores with 1000-page novels too boring to read the cover decription, let alone the contents.
joycem10
Deity
@ Noldodan
how about the blatant anti-orcism demonstrated by Tolkein throughout the novels?
I agree, what politics?
i dont see any politics in these books unless you feel Tolkein is advocating monarchism? some parallels have been made with WWII, but I feel they break down under close examination.
how about the blatant anti-orcism demonstrated by Tolkein throughout the novels?
I agree, what politics?
i dont see any politics in these books unless you feel Tolkein is advocating monarchism? some parallels have been made with WWII, but I feel they break down under close examination.
Flak
vBülletin Förum
I have all of the books and several of the related stories, including The Hobbit, The Simarillion and The Tolkein Reader. I like all of the books although the LOTR sometimes did tend to drag on a bit. The movies are excellent. They have taken some license, but it's creative and well-merged in.
Flak
vBülletin Förum
Well, he obviously makes some social commentary about the policy of letting 'evil' go unwatched or unbordered for too long a period of time. This is probably the result of his experiences from WWII.
If you want to add racial interpretations into the mix, he does tend to make the enemies (orcs, goblins, Gollum, Uruk-Hai, even Sauron) black and dark. The armies from the South going in to support of Sauron are all specifically described as dark skinned humans in his books.
Politically, I wouldn't be surprised if he did support, not-so-deep-down, Monarchy. He was known to be relatively conservative in some views and certainly was a man of a different age than now. I can see how this could be drawn from his fictional writings. Note how he describes the Royal lineages as tall and strong and long-lived. As if there truly is some sort of inherent quality to these people, these bloodlines, that make them somehow superior.
Some of this is flushed out of the movies. Some isn't.
If you want to add racial interpretations into the mix, he does tend to make the enemies (orcs, goblins, Gollum, Uruk-Hai, even Sauron) black and dark. The armies from the South going in to support of Sauron are all specifically described as dark skinned humans in his books.
Politically, I wouldn't be surprised if he did support, not-so-deep-down, Monarchy. He was known to be relatively conservative in some views and certainly was a man of a different age than now. I can see how this could be drawn from his fictional writings. Note how he describes the Royal lineages as tall and strong and long-lived. As if there truly is some sort of inherent quality to these people, these bloodlines, that make them somehow superior.
Some of this is flushed out of the movies. Some isn't.
aaminion00
Stoned
I started out and it was one of the best books I've ever read.
Then I got to Tom Bombadil
I immediatly threw it away and swore not to ever read it again.
Thankfully, the movies skipped over that idiot.
@Happy: What were the political messages
Then I got to Tom Bombadil
I immediatly threw it away and swore not to ever read it again.
Thankfully, the movies skipped over that idiot.
@Happy: What were the political messages
Higher Game
National Socialist
The books are always better than the movies. But the LotR movies are closer to the books than just about any other movies based on books. What's wrong with the second movie? It was fine entertainment and close enough to the book.
bobgote
Trousers
Originally posted by aaminion00
I started out and it was one of the best books I've ever read.
Then I got to Tom Bombadil
I immediatly threw it away and swore not to ever read it again.
Thankfully, the movies skipped over that idiot.
@Happy: What were the political messages
I missed tom bombadil i wanted to see him put the ring on his finger and have it do absolutely nothing.
and where was the singing of all those wonderful songs (ok this bits sarcastic
)and how did they make it to Bree in less than a day?
and they overdid Arwen far too much. this is only FOTR, i'm not even TOUCHING the two towers.
movie wise, FOTR gets a 7, two towers gets a 5 and i'm being nice. (no matter how hot aragorn is
)and i'm kind of looking forward to/dreading return of the king. they've already cut the scouring, which i thought was a great ending
They'll probably have arwen come along and kill sauron and save the day or some rubbish. i hear that they aren't going to use the dunedain either also faramir's character has been made a lot less good than he was in the books.needless to say i'm a big fan of the books and some parts of the movie should just not have happened.
