Man Caught on Video Not Helping Fatally Shot Man

[Jugulator]

I think that Curt is just speaking his mind. Hey..as he said it is his decision and he has "honed his decision making skills", I am sure he would make the right decision for himself, that does not necessarily make him a bad person, and he did make some points that he would quickly consider.

 

[Jugulator]

I am sure if he were there then these would come in to play so Curt I suppose you can’t really say what you would do in the case because you were not there, and everyone else should lay off because you don’t know what you would do either if you were in that position either.

 

[Jugulator]

I say stick to what you believe in. I admire you honesty Curt. I maybe would do something, if I was not soiling my pants being scared at the gun fire....LOL

 

[Jugulator]

I had helped a man that was getting beat up on a bus, the bus stopped and they guy’s fled off the bus….I was a bit drunk. If I were sober would I have had the guts to do it then, I would like to think so but would I. Before commenting on things such as this people should really look within.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
Why what are you doing as regarding the war in Iraq apart from attempted sarcasm and sitting bone idle to make you not the uncaring brat your language illustrates your position to be. Indeed if were even against the 1991 War (don't think that I would have conducted the matter in the same way) then how would you have dealt with Iraq without getting your hair messed up?

I think I must have hurt a certain kitten's ego.
Keep up the trolls, they are all noted.

I do not propose to do a John Rambo in Iraq,
I am merely pointing out that many here should not cast scorn until they have a clean conscience.

Not everyone can be a big hero, like Kitten is so desperate to point out.

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
As for what I do to make the world a better place?

I give money and time to charity. I work for "Victim Support" and do what I can to help victims of crime. I go round to my neighbours houses should their alarms go off and I have never sat back and watched a fight without intervening to break it up since I've reached adulthood.

Oh, good for you.
I give money to cancer research too, chum.

I just don't it to swell my ego.

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
Your assertion that the world would be a better place if people minded there own business...you can get that any time of the week, go to London. If you ask me for MY contribution to society (and I answered in part) lets hear YOURS.

That, my good kitten is why I love London.

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
I think an expression that is apt in defence of my position and against your cowardly stance of "mind your own business" is:

All It Takes for Evil to Triumph is for Good Men to Do Nothing

Now he thinks he is He-Man.
Only, He-Man uses his own quotes.
Think me cowardly all you want, son. You will never know the real me.
You talk big words, Kitten, though they are issued from the safety of a computer screen!

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
You also asked why I picked you out for a bashing? Because of that ugly avatar you have

The only thing that is bashed is your perception.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Jugulator
I think that Curt is just speaking his mind. Hey..as he said it is his decision and he has "honed his decision making skills", I am sure he would make the right decision for himself, that does not necessarily make him a bad person, and he did make some points that he would quickly consider.

Cheers!

At least someone has a sense of reality in this place!

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Originally posted by Jugulator
I am sure if he were there then these would come in to play so Curt I suppose you can’t really say what you would do in the case because you were not there, and everyone else should lay off because you don’t know what you would do either if you were in that position either.

He says what he'd do, fine.

No reason for me not to say that to my mind that is despicable and something that isn't a good thing.


Arguement complete, each of us has laid out our positions. He'd leave anyone not related closely in blood to rot, whilst I would do what I could to help.

 

[CurtSibling]

OK, Opinions stated, no harm done.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

A professional clash of flame-warriors


It could have got nasty if "He-Man" Kitten started to get paramilitary:

 

[Perfection]

Originally posted by china444



Wow, are you a friend with this guy who did nothing or what?
My god, have a little compassion for the shot man.
What if it was just a random shooting, and the guy had a wife and kids?
I would help; because i apparently care for my fellow humans.

What if it was a psycho with mass murder on his mind, you couldn't tell the differane

 

[Echo Head]

Originally posted by Perfection
What if it was a psycho with mass murder on his mind, you couldn't tell the differane

Is that a likely occurence?



I admire the honesty of anyone who said the would do very little to assist the man.

And of those who said they would help, I admire the fact that your idealism is not in anyway hampered by the dehumanising effects of living life every day and being able to keep a euphamistic (is that a word?) twist on all you see.

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by Perfection
What if it was a psycho with mass murder on his mind, you couldn't tell the differane

Doesn't matter. This just made me remember a story my dad told me: My dad was once coming back on the subway really late, like 1 AM. There were only two other people on the car, a drunk and another man. The drunk was cursing out the other man for no apparent reason, giving threats and such. The drunk kept on talking so long that the other guy, apparently with a short temper, got up and started choking the guy. The drunk's face was turning red - if the other man didn't stop, the guy would have killed him.

My dad got up from reading, but his book in his bag, and pushed the other man to the floor. The other guy started to get up, but my dad just threw him back to the ground and held him down. At the next stop the drunk ran out to get cops while my dad held down the man.

Obviously the drunk was a loser. He could have been a drug addict for all my dad knew, or he could have been carrying a blade or a gun. Same goes for the other man. Does it matter? NO. Help people. So what if its risking your neck? Putting your life over someone elses is an awful thing to do...

 

[bhiita]

Bhiitarubi's code of laws

A man found guilty of not rending assistace to his nieghbor in a life threating instance is to be thrown in the river.

I think it's interesting to note that the two posters of this thread with the worst sounding names are the only people who are most actively deffending human nature. I say human nature because we all have a choice. HUMAN or ANIMAL
Human, being disposed of animal qualities, has a higher solidarity with his fellow man disregarding his mortality for the greater good. Thinking past his own life, into the future home of his children.
An Animal cares only for his own wellfare and security. Period.
Any love he may feel or show is instinct/chemical.
The reson the world is the way it is, is because evolutionarily speaking, the animal has outnumbered the human for as long as man has recorded his history. Partly because they breed like rabbits indiscriminatly

The best thing to have done in this circumstance, would have at least been there with him as he died. Laws shmaws. Honesty smonesty. It was a man face to face with death. The one thing that scares us the most, and he had to face it alone. Just realize that his last feeling was probably the heartbreak of loneliness. As he thought of those he could not say good bye tormented him.
And yes you're right, there are millions of people in these circumstances all over the world.

Two things about that I want to mention,
1: When confronting my grandmother about her church helping charities and helping though missionaries The subject of homeless people came up. Her deffense from one question was not knowing where any homeless people where. looong arguement I ended it by asking her where the mall was. Then I asked her where the nearest homeless person was.

The next is an exerpted quote I've had a long time. I've lost the source.

...I can no longer protect myself from the reality of starvation, by pretending that people are nameless , faceless strangers. I know who they are. They're just like me, only they're starveing. I can no longer pretend that the collection of political agreements we call counties seperates me from the child who cries out in hunger halfway around the world.

We are one, and one of us is hungry.

 

[Bose]

Easy to say Bhiita, but that man probably has other people (ie his family) that rely on him and therefore he cant go about putting himself in unpredictable situations like that. You'll understand when you have a little girl who depends on you for everything. I myself would have rang the police from a distance. I am not a coward, i'm just looking at the big picture and my daughter's eyes. We just don't know the position this man was in thats all.

 

[allan2]

As for the argument about being a suspect if you say or do anything, I think that you would look MORE like a suspect if you didn't show any reaction at all. I think a "normal" (whatever that is ) person would have at least shown some shock, and when he went in to pay would have said something like "Oh my God! Someone was shot out there! Did you see that?" If you act as casually as possible, like nothing happened, I think police might at least start suspecting you knew something about this killing or about the killer, and were somehow involved, even if you didn't pull the trigger. Police look at things "out of the norm" with a certain degree of suspicion, maybe too much in some cases, but sometimes such observation proves very useful to an investigation.

I would have at least told the attendant, and had him phone the cops from his business phone.

If the shooter was particularly worried about witnesses (and thus was a particular threat to a witness), would he have shot the man in such a public place?

And I do find it disturbing that people would automatically assume the worst of the victim--good people DO get shot sometimes, too. I just hope it never happens to me, especially with this attitude around me.

 

[Elden]

I am absolutely sickened to see how many people would do nothing.

If you lay dying I guess you would happily look on as people passed by ignoring you completely - after all why would YOU want to disrupt there life by dying near them.

 

[bhiita]

Originally posted by Bose
Easy to say Bhiita, but that man probably has other people (ie his family) that rely on him and therefore he cant go about putting himself in unpredictable situations like that. You'll understand when you have a little girl who depends on you for everything. I myself would have rang the police from a distance. I am not a coward, i'm just looking at the big picture and my daughter's eyes. We just don't know the position this man was in thats all.

I'm not so sure I agree with you
First of, I have a 9 mth old baby boy and I do think big picture when I look into is eyes. I want him to be proud of me.
I'm not trying to put you down, I believe you would help in the same exact situation. Look at the story again, If he believed he was in any danger, he would have been outa there without paying for the fuel. He would not have looked, and then carried on about his business. Let alone took the time to pay the clerk.
He was worth defending, he would have called the police at a safe distance and returned with them and payed for the fuel.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
A professional clash of flame-warriors


It could have got nasty if "He-Man" Kitten started to get paramilitary:

It's some kind of creepy stalker!

 

[bhiita]

Note: I don't know the wholestory, I'm only going by the imformation on the link and the post in this thread.
I could'nt watch the video. but I think my analysis is sound.
I've given my views and philosophy much contemplation. This was not a random thought. or an emotinal impulse posting. I mean every single last misspelled word

 

[CurtSibling]

Kitten, you are lucky we did not meet face to face!

Because it could have got nasty if you met me!

Grrr...Ain't I tough!