mass murderer brutally executed in Iran
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Its not the greatest of arguements. Its a proven fact that 100% of innocent people executed mistakenly cannot be released, or something.
Why not execute all criminals? maybe you think that the death penalty is not a fair punishment for robbers, rapists, people who cycle on the pavement and so forth. well maybe some people dont think that the death penalty is a fair punishment for those who murder. its surely just a matter of where you draw the line.
@sysyphus - yes i think its particaully amusing when they solve islamic terrorist bombings by arresting and imprisoning westerners who they claim are involved in gang wars over alochol production. Iranian justice - the best in the world.
Ohwell
Deity
I want more.
Jawz II
Oh Dear
sysyphus said:
actually i read about this guy when they first caught him a few years ago, his last victim (nr 17) he took to the desert, and when he was done strangling him, left him for dead
the kid wasnt dead but played dead, he walked the long way back to civilization, contacted police, and ID´d the guy
solid case there
Comraddict
C.IV
Fact is most people enjoy seeing somebody else's suffering. It is undeniable fact. You may not like it yourself, but just look at TV industry how it feeds on such "needs".
What is point of hiding it? Pretending that we are better than we actually are? As a parallel, Roman Catholic priest do not marry... instead some of them prey on children. 65% americans are overweight. This is all connected. We are barbarians living in modern age.
What is point of hiding it? Pretending that we are better than we actually are? As a parallel, Roman Catholic priest do not marry... instead some of them prey on children. 65% americans are overweight. This is all connected. We are barbarians living in modern age.
Syterion
Voodoo Economist
The Death Penalty is wrong. These are my reasons, although if I tried I could think of more, I don't feel like more effort right now. Although I gotta say, from my point of view, TLC and Mise are kicking ass.
1. It is a proven fact that 100% of criminals locked away for life never commit a crime again(any escape's chances are so astronomical that they are negligible).
2. One can be proven innocent after one has been killed.
3. I for one would argue that life in prison is a greater punishment than death.
4. Revenge is not justice. Justice should be impartial.
5. Most people convicted and sentenced to death are not absolutely proved guilty. That is why there are so many killed innocents. Until you give me a way to eliminate inadequacies in the judicial system, we can never be 100% sure that someone is guilty.
1. It is a proven fact that 100% of criminals locked away for life never commit a crime again(any escape's chances are so astronomical that they are negligible).
2. One can be proven innocent after one has been killed.
3. I for one would argue that life in prison is a greater punishment than death.
4. Revenge is not justice. Justice should be impartial.
5. Most people convicted and sentenced to death are not absolutely proved guilty. That is why there are so many killed innocents. Until you give me a way to eliminate inadequacies in the judicial system, we can never be 100% sure that someone is guilty.
Jawz II
Oh Dear
sysyphus said:
16 other kids bodies that were found at the site, where the last boy was dumped, and the fact that he had been raped tells us the boy was motivated enough
no coercion needed there
Jawz II
Oh Dear
wake up and smell the coffee dude
what possible reason would they have for that?
if the government there wants someone killed, they dont need witnesses to point them out
those people tend to just disappear
what possible reason would they have for that?
if the government there wants someone killed, they dont need witnesses to point them out
those people tend to just disappear
Double Barrel
Deity
DexterJ said:
You have failed to comprehend my entire point.
As previously stated (from the same post you quoted):
Provide me with a valid reason(s) why cancerous, incorrigible murderers should be allowed to continue in this existence, and then we might have a decent discussion.
DexterJ said:
Where did I advocate executing ALL criminals? You are speaking out of your assumption.
DexterJ said:
And maybe I don't. Again, I've never advocated anything other than eliminating incorrigible killers that are cancers on our society.
Another failing attempt at yet another assumption on your part.
DexterJ said:
Fair enough.
But please tell me, with finite resources, what would YOU propose society do with incorrigible individuals that prey on innocent citizens?
I shall refrain from speaking from an assumption, as I would not wish to venture into your mindset.
However, schools for teaching children or life sentences for killers. Which is it, when the state only has so much money?
This is not based upon emotion, but logic. Society has no need for individuals that have proven themselves over and over to be worthless to humanity. Not only are incorrigible, violent murderers worthless, but they have proven themselves to be quite a threat to many innocent people.
Jawz II said:
Who says the government was in for the guy, could have been just the police having fun.
It's happened in Canada, and if it can happen here, it sure as hell can happen in Iran.
I'd say it's likely that the guy is guilty, but I hesitiate to jump on the bandwagon celebrating his brutal execution.
RedWolf
Deity
sysyphus said:
From the article:
"The case provoked national outrage in Iran. Sixteen police officers were reprimanded for dereliction of duty and the Interior Ministry criticised the police for failing to catch the suspects after the first crime"
Sounds like pretty strong motivation for a corrupt immoral police force to find somebody, ANYBODY for a brutal public hanging.
That's how the innocent usually end up wrongly convicted in this country (Canada) - mass hysteria, politics and ignorance.
RedWolf
Deity
My problem with capital punishment is what it DOES to a society. Pro-capital punishment people like to yell slurs at us on this issue such as "You care more about the killer!" etc. Once again though it's the inability to see the world in shades of grey. Black and white is so much simpler.
I don't care about this guy. I won't shed a single tear for him. I even beleive that child killers DESERVE to die. If the victim was my kid or loved one I might even do it myself. It certainly wouldn't make it RIGHT though. I'd be a murderer and would deserve to go to prison myself.
And what is the result? A blood thirsty mob chanting and throwing things like they're at a football game? It happens that way in Iran and it happens in the US.. Ever seen the Red Necks outside of prisons during executions chanting things and carrying signs? VERY classy.
If we're going to accept state sanctioned murder then at the VERY least let's accept that the taking of a human life is a serious, solemn event that shouldn't be celebrated. Possibly society has deemed it neccesary and possibly the person even deserves it.. But we aren't animals and this isn't ancient rome. People should reflect on how society has failed such that we HAVE to execute people. But they don't and they won't ever. They'll instead be pulling up lawn chairs and bundling up the kids to go satisfy the most basic blood lust of all human emotions - revenge. They can claim it's about justice and they can claim it's about deterrence but whenever you discuss this online you'll see the people lining up to talk about "how great it is" or "how I wish i could have watched" or "I wish they had of made him SUFFER more".
I'm also always amused how it's the governments that the right accuse most of "barbarism" that still carry out executions - Iran, China etc. Probably North Korea and certainly Iraq pre-invasion. Ironic if you ask me.
I don't care about this guy. I won't shed a single tear for him. I even beleive that child killers DESERVE to die. If the victim was my kid or loved one I might even do it myself. It certainly wouldn't make it RIGHT though. I'd be a murderer and would deserve to go to prison myself.
And what is the result? A blood thirsty mob chanting and throwing things like they're at a football game? It happens that way in Iran and it happens in the US.. Ever seen the Red Necks outside of prisons during executions chanting things and carrying signs? VERY classy.
If we're going to accept state sanctioned murder then at the VERY least let's accept that the taking of a human life is a serious, solemn event that shouldn't be celebrated. Possibly society has deemed it neccesary and possibly the person even deserves it.. But we aren't animals and this isn't ancient rome. People should reflect on how society has failed such that we HAVE to execute people. But they don't and they won't ever. They'll instead be pulling up lawn chairs and bundling up the kids to go satisfy the most basic blood lust of all human emotions - revenge. They can claim it's about justice and they can claim it's about deterrence but whenever you discuss this online you'll see the people lining up to talk about "how great it is" or "how I wish i could have watched" or "I wish they had of made him SUFFER more".
I'm also always amused how it's the governments that the right accuse most of "barbarism" that still carry out executions - Iran, China etc. Probably North Korea and certainly Iraq pre-invasion. Ironic if you ask me.
Narz
keeping it real
And what would be done with a young man deemed "capable" of murder? Should he be locked up beforehand? Put on drugs? Watch out for your trust in shrinks, they are not fortunetellers and are only beginning to understand the human brain.Comraddict said:
Double Barrel
The 'you' in my 'maybe you think...' line was not directed at you specifically, but a general 'you' ie other people. this is also the case with the 'why not kill all criminals' bit.
I was not implying that by advocating the death penalty you want to kill all crinimals or making assumptions about your views. BUT what I am saying that a theoretical person could also want to execute robbers who persistantly offend or the criminally insane, for some of the same reasons. It just depends, as I said before, on where you draw the line. I don't believe the state should kill people for any reason, you believe that in some situations the state should punish murder with death. Its not the kind of arguement where either person will change views, except possibly over a long period of time - certainly not on a web forum.
The 'you' in my 'maybe you think...' line was not directed at you specifically, but a general 'you' ie other people. this is also the case with the 'why not kill all criminals' bit.
I was not implying that by advocating the death penalty you want to kill all crinimals or making assumptions about your views. BUT what I am saying that a theoretical person could also want to execute robbers who persistantly offend or the criminally insane, for some of the same reasons. It just depends, as I said before, on where you draw the line. I don't believe the state should kill people for any reason, you believe that in some situations the state should punish murder with death. Its not the kind of arguement where either person will change views, except possibly over a long period of time - certainly not on a web forum.
klopolov
WarBug
CurtSibling said:
Actually it costs a lot more to governments to execute a person because of all the appeals that they are entitled to than to have them housed, guarded, fed and clothed for a lifetime...
I think he got less than what he desearves... Those of you who say that it is barbaric and that I am very disturbed and sick individual, get to know a victim of rape, see how it affects them... See them have nightmares every night and wake up scared and crying... Things like rape should not ever happen, but when they do, I would inflict as much pain and suffering upon the person who commited it and make it public too. That way, perhaps people will think twice before commiting such atrocities...
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