MB4 - GOTM24 Redux [civ3] Roster A

[smackster]

Originally posted by AlanH

I checked before I edited the post He will ally with us against Tokugawa for 14 gpt if we also ally with him against Mori. That will really cramp his style because, as you say, he will kill his rep as well as getting in deep with Tokugawa.

Wow that is something I learned today, how much one alliance will effect another. We should take that then. Depending on how quickly we both take out Toku, we should consider just continuing on to defeat Takeda.

That will take a long time to finish them both off, so not sure about what we should do with the Greens (still can't remember who that is, Karuda?). I was trying to build a road over to them so we could trade (before the barbs came, and I think we could get there in less than 10 still.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

If we ally against the greens (mori?) we should try to pull the oranges (Chosogabe?) in to give the greens a two front war. That might cost some $$$, but keep the greens occupied for a while. A two front war might be hard to deal with at the moment.

 

[AlanH]

Originally posted by smackster
That New Azuchi settler was about the third settler I think. I'll need to look at it again

He was the only one that built a city. There are two others - one's threatening to carve a hole in Kuroda's cultural border in the east and the other is in the southern mountains. Maybe he's waiting for the barbs to do their thing and leave.

Front line defence. When I take a new city I'm not going to leave it undefended, and I don't want to waste an Oda defending it, so I build a footman to defend it.

But it's not a "waste" if he cost fewer shields and some cash, and can provide greater battle flexibility.

Also that footman will one day become Musket, Rifleman, Infantry, for the same purpose. Once the frontline moves, I'll move the footmen with it.

We should be finished before rifles are around. Once muskets are available the front line moves too fast for them to keep up, so they finish up doing MP work in my games. A knight is almost as good a defender if you need one. I'm seriously trying to give up ever building specialist defenders.

 

[smackster]

I'm sure the Green are not Mori, as I can see Toku troops in their area not being attacked. I think the Mori are the orange or yellow as Mori are weak like those two. I think maybe the Green is Chosogabe.

The problem with only playing 10 turns a week apart, with funny names for Civs, can't keep them straight.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Originally posted by smackster
I'm sure the Green are not Mori, as I can see Toku troops in their area not being attacked. I think the Mori are the orange or yellow as Mori are weak like those two. I think maybe the Green is Chosogabe.

The problem with only playing 10 turns a week apart, with funny names for Civs, can't keep them straight.

Isn't that the truth

Well whoever Mori are, we need to bring another civ in to fight them while we take care of Tokugawa (I know that one the purple guys)

 

[smackster]

Hard to prove it makes a difference either way. I don't see much wrong with a few defenders, and I'm sure we already have enough to go around.

 

[AlanH]

I even colour coded my previous post to make it easier:

Takeda = Red
Mori = Orange
Koruda = Green
Chosogabe = Yellow
Tokugawa = Purple
Shimatsu = Grey

We should avoid getting into a fight with Koruda while we have unfinished business in the west. Chosugabe and Mori and Shimastu are all far enough away that we can pick proxy fights with them reasonably safely.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Thanks for the colour code Alan.

I think getting Koruda (green) to fight our proxy war would be a good idea, while Takeda (red) and the mighty Oda (us) carve up Tokugawa (purple).

 

[Gengis Khan]

Got it!

I'm up in another SG so I most likely won't get to this one till late tonight or tomorrow. I'll at least finish up the downloads & open up the save tonight to make sure theres no problems.

 

[smackster]

Originally posted by Sir Bugsy
Thanks for the colour code Alan.

I think getting Koruda (green) to fight our proxy war would be a good idea, while Takeda (red) and the mighty Oda (us) carve up Tokugawa (purple).

I think that is a plan too, Gengis you should see what Koruda want to join the fun against Mori. At least that way they might have to actually fight somebody. I'm thinking Koruda are behind in tech so should be easy to get them into that.

 

[AlanH]

Just remember, we don't want to help the AI tech pace at all. I don't recommend any tech brokering if we can avoid it for the time being. We have a big advantage while there are no pikes or knights around. Once they appear our Oda will slow down.

 

[smackster]

At least three civs Toku, Takeda and Chosog are already in the Middle Ages, which means that Koruda will be there soon too. Lets see what they want for an alliance. However, I may have got this wrong, remember I couldn't even remember who was who while I was playing.

Also what should we research next, we really need to get out of Despotism, so Monarchy or Republic?

 

[smackster]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, I nearly forgot. Those renegotiated peace deals are about to expire, so we should sign them up again to get us some more cash.

 

[AlanH]

Originally posted by smackster
Also what should we research next, we really need to get out of Despotism, so Monarchy or Republic?

Monarchy!!! I don't see peace happening in this Civ-Lifetime.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Being religious, we can jump back and forth as we need to. Let's collect the government techs and play it by ear.

 

[smackster]

Yes we should research Monarchy next, in fact we should have had this discussion about 2 weeks ago, or did we and I didn't see it.

We should only switch to Republic at the point that we find our Cavalry cannot win the day for us. I think our plan should be that we build enough Cavlary to Conquer the world, before Riflemen appear.

Smackster

 

[AlanH]

Originally posted by Sir Bugsy
Being religious, we can jump back and forth as we need to. Let's collect the government techs and play it by ear.

1. Each switch still costs you a turn of Anarchy, and that loss of time and productivity can take a long while to pay back.

2. Republic will only pay for a big army for any length of time if we build market places and concentrate efforts on happiness projects. And extra cash it generates will be reduced by the higher lux slider.

I recommend we don't even trade for Republic, and certainly don't waste any research beakers on it. Sure, if it comes as a freebie then take it, but there's more important stuff to spend our cash and beakers on.

My €0.02

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Originally posted by AlanH
My €0.02

I thought you Brits didn't want to have anything to do with the Euro?

I thought you were sticking with your reliable pence and pound, the heaviest coins in the world

 

[Dianthus]

We can't get rid of the pound (and this is the best excuse I've heard yet ) because it would also get rid of my mate's kid's favourite joke :

kid: Do you want ten pounds?
idiot: Why yes, of course!
kid: Here you are then [starts pounding idiot on the arm]

I'm sorry to admit I've been the idiot more than once, you just can't help saying yes!

 

[AlanH]

Originally posted by Sir Bugsy


I thought you Brits didn't want to have anything to do with the Euro?

I thought you were sticking with your reliable pence and pound, the heaviest coins in the world

You're right about our determination to stick with the pound and penny, but I think you're out of date about their weight. I just wasn't confident that you guys would understand £0.02, or tuppence, and I think €0.02 is still a bit smaller than $0.02.

We also refuse to give up irony, in spite of, or maybe because of, the fact that it's a foreign language to Americans.