Meanwhile in Libya...

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Per Valka's request for an updated thread:

West moves military assets around Libya

The Pentagon is deploying naval and air forces around Libya as the US and UK governments consider tougher measures to force Muammer Gaddafi from power, including the possible establishment of a no-fly zone.

“We must not tolerate this regime using military force against its own people,” David Cameron, UK prime minister, said. “In that context I have asked the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Defence Staff to work with our allies on plans for a military no-fly zone.”

Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, at a UN meeting in Geneva, said: “Nothing is off the table so long as the Libyan government continues to threaten and kill Libyans.”

According to Colonel David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman, US military planners are working on “various contingency plans ... [and] repositioning forces to be able to provide for that flexibility once decisions are made”.

The military manoeuvring coincided with US and UK efforts to ratchet up financial pressure being brought to bear on Colonel Gaddafi, whose forces remain in control of Tripoli, the capital.

“As of today at least $30bn in government of Libya assets under US jurisdiction have been blocked,” said David Cohen, acting US Treasury undersecretary. “This is the largest blocking under any sanctions programme ever.”

The UK, meanwhile, has frozen at least £1bn of assets belonging to Col Gaddafi and five members of his family.

With Col Gaddafi apparently willing to fight to the death, some opponents of the regime are arguing that the international community should threaten military action, in an effort to persuade the Libyan leader’s forces to defect and hasten his downfall.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e588cd5c-4338-11e0-aef2-00144feabdc0.html

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“As of today at least $30bn in government of Libya assets under US jurisdiction have been blocked,” said David Cohen, acting US Treasury undersecretary. “This is the largest blocking under any sanctions programme ever.”

Ah. Now it's clear that Qaddafi is going to (in due time, but not too many weeks now...) lose. No other reason to seizefreeze that investment fund managed by JP Morgan for Qaddafi but fear that it might fall to a new government which might, I don't know... want to actually spend it?
 
Must suck to be Cameron, last government really spent a lot of money and politically capital to get oil deals in Libya and now you have to write that off?

Glad the west is preparing to do a no-fly zone if necessary.

Ah. Now it's clear that Qaddafi is going to (in due time, but not too many weeks now...) lose. No other reason to seizefreeze that investment fund managed by JP Morgan for Qaddafi but fear that it might fall to a new government which might, I don't know... want to actually spend it?

I can't imagine a rational for not releasing the funds to the next government.
 
There has to be a meeting and a vote that is passed with no veto.
 
There was some disagreement or something among the members. I don't remember the exact reason...

EDIT: @bestrfcplayer
 
I can't imagine a rational for not releasing the funds to the next government.

There won't be one? Libya seems to be in the process of being turned into another Somalia. Or perhaps another Afghanistan, because it will, eventually, be occupied - it has oil, after all.
 
This should be in H&J: Gaddafi says "All my people love me"

Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi has told the BBC he is loved by all his people and has denied there have been any protests in Tripoli.

Col Gaddafi said that his people would die to protect him.

He laughed at the suggestion he would leave Libya and said that he felt betrayed by the world leaders who had urged him to quit.

US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice said the interview showed Col Gaddafi was "delusional" and "unfit to lead".

World foreign ministers earlier condemned attacks on Libyan civilians and the European Union imposed sanctions including an arms embargo, asset freeze and travel ban on Col Gaddafi and his close entourage.

Col Gaddafi is facing a massive challenge to his 41-year rule, with protesters in control of towns in the east.
'Mercenaries and thugs'

Col Gaddafi was speaking in an interview in Tripoli with BBC Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen, US TV network ABC, and the UK's Sunday Times newspaper.

Col Gaddafi accused Western countries of abandoning Libya and said that they had no morals and wanted to colonise the country.

When asked whether he would resign, he said he could not step down as he did not have an official position and insisted that the power was with the people.

Col Gaddafi challenged those, including UK Prime Minister David Cameron, who have accused him of having money abroad, to produce evidence.

He said he would "put two fingers in their eye".

Col Gaddafi said true Libyans had not demonstrated but those who had come on to the streets were under the influence of drugs supplied by al-Qaeda.

He said those people had seized weapons and that his supporters were under orders not to shoot back.

Ms Rice said Col Gaddafi was "frankly delusional".

"When he can laugh in talking to... journalists while he is slaughtering his own people, it only underscores how unfit he is to lead and how disconnected he is from reality," she said.

Earlier, foreign ministers who had gathered at a UN human rights conference in Geneva called for Col Gaddafi to go.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accused Col Gaddafi and his followers of using "mercenaries and thugs" to attack unarmed civilians, and of executing soldiers who refused to turn their guns on fellow citizens.

"It is time for Gaddafi to go, now, without further violence or delay," she said.

Mrs Clinton also said that although US naval vessels were being repositioned near Libya there was no military action pending.

When asked whether the US would back Col Gaddafi going into exile, Mrs Clinton said: "If violence could be ended by his leaving... it might be a good step but we believe accountability must be obtained for what he has done."

The US Treasury said it had blocked $30bn (£18.5bn) in Libyan assets - the largest sum it had ever frozen.

US President Barack Obama met UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon at the White House on Monday and both expressed concern at the rising violence and called for a legitimately elected president.

Mr Ban said of Col Gaddafi: "He lost legitimacy when he declared war on his people."
'Blood of martyrs'

Although protesters have secured towns in the east, Col Gaddafi shows no signs of giving up in and around Tripoli.

In Tajoura, a suburb of the capital, about 400 people protested against him on Monday, chanting: "The blood of martyrs won't go to waste." Gaddafi supporters have reportedly tried to break up the protest by firing into the air.

Reporters say there have been long queues at banks in the capital as people tried to collect the 500 dinars ($410) promised to all families by the government in an attempt to quell the unrest.

There has been fighting in the coastal town of Misrata, 200km (125 miles) east of Tripoli, with Col Gaddafi's opponents repelling a government counter-attack.

Anti-government forces still control Zawiya, 50km west of Tripoli, but pro-Gaddafi forces are surrounding the city. One resident told Reuters: "We are expecting attacks at any moment... They are in large numbers."

Libyan air force planes also reportedly attacked ammunition depots in the eastern towns of Ajdabiya and Rajma.

Deputy foreign minister Khaled Kaim said the authorities would attempt to talk to protesters in the east, but added: "If all attempts and efforts for dialogue... are exhausted, a very well guided force will be used in accordance with international rules."

About 100,000 people have fled anti-government unrest in Libya over the past week, the UN estimates.

The exodus of Egyptian workers from western Libya began on Wednesday, but has since been intensifying, says the BBC's Jim Muir at the Ras Jdir border crossing with Tunisia. About 1,000 people an hour are crossing into Tunisia, he says.
 
There was some disagreement or something among the members. I don't remember the exact reason...

EDIT: @bestrfcplayer

China and Russia blocked a no-fly zone, but I think they'll end up coming around. Both were in favour of the heavy sanctions and both supported a clause to invoke a 2005 resolution that'd cover a no-fly zone.

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Beijing did block a proposal in the Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over Libya to prevent aerial attacks on Qaddafi’s opposition. (Russia joined in that move). Now the US and Europe are considering such a move on their own.

Still, in 2005, China did back a UN policy called “a responsibility to protect” that calls on the international community” to protect [a state’s] population from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity” if a government is unwilling or unable to protect its people.

The UN resolution on Libya invoked that “responsibility to protect” language.

...

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary...28/Libya-sanctions-China-s-new-role-at-the-UN

The CS article also points out China had to pull ~30,000 Chinese workers from the country.
 
Libya has roughly the HDI of Uruguay, it has a long way to go to become "a Somalia" or " an Afghanistan".
 
Must suck to be Cameron, last government really spent a lot of money and politically capital to get oil deals in Libya and now you have to write that off?

Well if change in Libya is inevitable, it probably wouldn't have been a good idea to do nothing to help.
 
My 5 bucks says Gaddafi doesn't live to see the first day of spring.
 
First day of spring in Michigan. :p
 
Libya has roughly the HDI of Uruguay, it has a long way to go to become "a Somalia" or " an Afghanistan".

Yes, far higher than the neighboring countries. Makes one wonder exactly why those protests spread there, and why they turned violent so fast, doesn't it? What was it really about when it started in the east, does someone here know?
 
There's probably a number of reasons a higher HDI could translate into stronger protests.
 
The righteous English-speaking nations will once again defend freedom and liberty.
 
I am against the movement of troops to intervene in this unless they are sanctioned by the UN!
 
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