Migrant crisis

[Borachio]

OK CFC, solve this one for me, will you?

How do we discourage people from trusting themselves to unscrupulous people traffickers in a bid to escape poverty and/or persecution?

Interior ministers and senior police officials from the 28 countries of the European Union are rushing to Luxembourg for emergency talks on how to respond to the migrant boat tragedies in the Mediterranean.

The meeting comes as reports in Italy suggested the death toll from the weekend capsizing of a fishing vessel packed with migrants could reach 950 – an increase on the 700 deaths reported on Sunday – and as at least 23 migrants were feared dead in separate incidents on Monday.

The interior ministers are to join their countries’ top diplomats on Monday afternoon in what was to have been a routine meeting of EU foreign ministers. The meeting has been transformed into a crisis session amid a clamour for action to stem the loss of life in the Mediterranean.

EU foreign affairs chief Federica Mogherini demanded immediate action. “With this latest tragedy … we have no more excuses, the EU has no more excuses, the member states have no more excuses,” she said. “The main issue here is to build a common sense of European responsibility, knowing that there is no easy solution.”

Malta is preparing to bury the bodies of 24 migrants killed in the weekend’s sinking, which looks likely to be the worst of its kind in the Mediterranean. The Italian coastguard dropped off the bodies before heading to Sicily with 28 survivors.

Gen Antonino Iraso of the Italian border police said those small numbers suggest that hundreds may have been locked in the hold, because with so much weight down below, the boat would “surely” have sunk.

Malta’s prime minister, Joseph Muscat, said survivors spoke of “haunting experiences”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/20/eu-ministers-meet-migrant-crisis-talks-mediterranean-death-toll-rises

 

[Lohrenswald]

Stopping the exploitation of "third world countries" would help.

 

[Zelig]

Build a moat between Mexico.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Divide Ukraine into two and sign a non-aggression pact with Russia !

Have instant testing of all immigrants who arrive from the sea, deport all those not suitable immediately and take those who have skills, knowledge and provide enough resources to integrate them.

Have Greece collect taxes and crack down on corruption

Problems SOLVED

 

[warpus]

Putt a law in place that those who arrive illegal are immediately sent back, instead of being allowed to settle somewhere in the EU. I think that's what Australia is doing, and it's cut down on people who try to cross the dangerous waters big-time. From what I've heard anyway.

At the same time you need to have those legal avenues for immigration open.

 

[Sonereal]

Bomb European cities and infrastructure so that immigrating to Europe is less attractive.

 

[Kozmos]

Drain the Mediterranean so they can walk there.

 

[gay_Aleks]

I was going to say "drop a nuclear bomb over Eastern Europe" but then I realised that the Soviets already tried that with Chernobyl.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Putt a law in place that those who arrive illegal are immediately sent back, instead of being allowed to settle somewhere in the EU. I think that's what Australia is doing, and it's cut down on people who try to cross the dangerous waters big-time. From what I've heard anyway.

At the same time you need to have those legal avenues for immigration open.

That's one way to treat a symptom, but it can't be everything. We have to make immigration less attractive through development aid and end policies that actively hurt african economies (I'm looking at you, agricultural subidies). A concentrated effort to raise the standard of living in Morocco would be a good start.

 

[warpus]

That's one way to treat a symptom, but it can't be everything. We have to make immigration less attractive through development aid and end policies that actively hurt african economies (I'm looking at you, agricultural subidies). A concentrated effort to raise the standard of living in Morocco would be a good start.

Sure, that's a part of it, but that sort of thing takes decades, if not centuries.

What's also needed is a solution for today.

 

[Recon Rover]

How about actually assisting the people on these boats instead of letting them drown to death? As I understand, Italy is the only country currently, and is stopping soon, its practice of rescuing these people.

Europe's collective behaviour in this matter is absolutely disgusting.

 

[warpus]

Rescue them and send them back home. That's what the official policy should be.

If you allow them to settle in the EU after they've been rescued, that will just act as an invitation for others to try the same - which will lead to more deaths. Not rescuing them either is also inhumane.

 

[Recon Rover]

How do we discourage people from trusting themselves to unscrupulous people traffickers in a bid to escape poverty and/or persecution?

I also take issue with this question.

These people have absolutely nothing left to lose. Implying that Europeans should endeavour to discourage them from getting on a boat that will probably capsize in a effort to escape the most extreme poverty is blatantly ignorant and you should apologize for this Borachio.

And jeeze why even bother with adding unscrupulous?

 

[kramerfan86]

Rescue them and send them back home. That's what the official policy should be.

If you allow them to settle in the EU after they've been rescued, that will just act as an invitation for others to try the same - which will lead to more deaths. Not rescuing them either is also inhumane.

Yup deporting them back is the only real way to discourage taking the risk in the first. If people who make it get to stick around you have plopped out a big ol' motivator to keep doing it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If crises have taken to migration behavior, where is the California drought headed?

 

[Borachio]

I also take issue with this question.

These people have absolutely nothing left to lose. Implying that Europeans should endeavour to discourage them from getting on a boat that will probably capsize in a effort to escape the most extreme poverty is blatantly ignorant and you should apologize for this Borachio.

And jeeze why even bother with adding unscrupulous?

I see.

So your considered opinion is that it's far better to let people continue to entrust themselves to unscrupulous people traffickers (and the unscrupulous is necessary to distinguish them from run-of-the-mill tourist operators) and drown!

How about arranging world economics so that people don't feel they need to become economic migrants in the first place, eh?

How about allowing unlimited migration so that the world's wealth becomes more equitably distributed due to market forces?

Don't you even care that 40,000 people were fished out of the Mediterranean last year?

 

[Lillefix]

They remind me a bit of lemmings...
Anyway can anyone answer me what happens now with the migrants. I know they are put in some kind of immigration centers, but what happens next? Do they just sit there a couple of months and can then leave for Europe?

 

[Borachio]

They can sit in immigration centres for years, and then get sent back to GO.

 

[NovaKart]

I've met a couple people who used to be migrants. I got the impression their family background was modest but they weren't living in extreme poverty or anything like that. In fact they spend a whole lot of money paying to get smuggled. I can't say how it is for people coming from Africa though.

 

[Tahuti]

Closely co-operate with the North African countries such as Libya. They can prevent such vessels from leaving for Europe and themselves prevent illegal transition from Sub-Saharan countries bound for Europe.