MarineCorps
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Damnyankee said:
Then you might as well call it the sissy branch.
"Minutemen" plan to patrol Arizona border
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Then you might as well call it the sissy branch.
Flak
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Uiler said:
Then I guess their little military branch of border gaurds isn't working is it?
What I would like to hear from someone is what do you do about the migrant farm workers. The american agricultural industry depends on this labor. I have a solution to this problem. But I'd really like to hear from somebody that really thinks that we ought to blanket close down all illegal immigration.
Double Barrel
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Xen said:
Nope, you're wrong. Legal immigration is a good thing. Illegal is what it is - breaking the law and disregarding the rule of law, which is the foundation on which civilized societies are based upon. We should either enforce the law, or do away with it. The double standard created by our government is a paradox without logic.
And you're wrong about Mexicans taking jobs Americans don't want, too. Most of the jobs that are being taken by illegal immigrants are jobs that should be filled by the millions of folks sucking on our socialist welfare system. But when an American citizen can "make" more income from the government teat than actually working a low level job, they seem to gravitate toward dependent laziness and a vacuum is created in the job field (which, of course, is filled by illegal immigrants).
You are right about raising the wages of pay for all workers, regardless of legality. But the problem is that these workers are undocumented, so how do you enforce it? Many are paid "under the table" (ie. cash), so employers are hiding it to begin with. And since these workers have already broken federal law just by their illegal entry, what is another law to break if we pass a mandatory minimum wage law?
I know many, many people down here in Texas who are losing their jobs SOLELY because of the massive influx of illegal immigrants. In most cases, employers are paying them a couple of dollars an hour, far below the federal minimum wage. Plus, without any medical benefits, guess who gets to pay for their medical care when they get hurt and are rushed to the hospital? (hint: Taxpayers).
Add to that the fact that tens of billions of dollars are NOT being spent in the U.S. by the illegal workers, but rather are being sent back to Mexico to buy cheap imported Chinese goods and whatever.
And then we have the ideology of "reconquista" (or reconquest of the southwest U.S.), which urges Hispanics to have allegiance to ideals contrary to U.S. interests (as vividly expressed by the Movimiento Estudiantil de Chicanos de Aztlan "The Student Movement of Aztlan Chicanos" better known by its acronym, MEChA). In calling for the re-partition of the American Southwest, MEChA is not just seeking the overthrow of the American government but the overthrow of its people as well. This is not pie in the sky. I have been told on many occassions that this movement is quickly gaining momentum, and this information comes from Mexican-Americans of legal immigration descent that are upset by the social upheaval that it is causing within their community.
Damnyankee
Honest Abe
MarineCorps said:Then you might as well call it the sissy branch.
Well ya, pretty much, but that would make more people join, and border patrol is in my opinion a vital thing
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Damnyankee said:
A. The military is not for sissies.
B. THe Border is huge, all the coastline of America plus the borders with the two coutries. Not an easy thing to guard.
Damnyankee
Honest Abe
MarineCorps said:
Listen, I am not saying the military is for sissys, but some people want to serve and don't want to go to Iraq. This is a alternative that people might join. the Guard I am talking about would guard the Mexican border, no need to guard the Canadian border
cgannon64
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Xen said:
You can't force a worker to earn minimum wage when you don't know he exists.
Anyway, if the government somehow magically found out the employment information of all the illegal immigrants, and made them earn minimum wage, that would take out the leg you said our economy stands on.
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
They are called minute men because they would last only a minute on the battlefield before breaking and running ?
Mescalhead
Vincebus Eruptum
So the U.S. couldn't possibly stand on its own if illegal Mexican labor suddenly stopped? I find it hard to believe.Xen said:
If the Mexicans weren't here taking the jobs 2 things would result,Xen said:
1. Whites and others would take the jobs and not refuse them because the jobs would pay more. The reason they pay so little is because Mexicans will work for next to nothing, this is bad for working class "native" Americans.
2. Equipment would out of necessity be invented and produced that would effectively replace the cheap and common labor these migrants are already performing. If they get paid so damn little, it stands to reason that a machine could duplicate the work of many migrants.
Not even hyperbole will sway me.Xen said:
The thing to do is to take illegal immigrants and send them to fight in Iraq. Thus by serving for a stated amount of time, they would have legally "earned" citizenship plus all of the benefits of being a U.S. veteran.Xen said:
actually they were called that because they could be ready to fight in a minutes notice. The border is a very big place, and yes it is hard to guard. As far as ppl in the military joining but not wanting to fight? What the heck do they think they signed up for? You dont get your choice of assignments and well u learn to fight... to kill the enemy, heck if u are an officer u have to take an oath to fight all enemies forein and domestic....As far as Im concerned ifi didnt want to go to Iraq and fight i probally wouldnt have joined the military. There is a marine corps defector living here in Ontario somewhere... he had a trial because he didnt want to go back to the us cause hed be tried for desertion... too friggen bad, i think its about time ppl realised what armies do and what they are for.... its not a place to sleep all day...
cgannon64
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I'm sure some of the smarter illegals are doing that.
CIVPhilzilla
Reagan Republican
Good for them, illegal immigration is getting out of hand. I can see how this can work out, either the "minute men" help stem the immigration without violence, or violence is used and the government is forced to step in with an alternative.
MarineCorps
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cidknee said:
Finially. Someone with sense.
cidknee said:
You don't say... ANd is no one wasnting to chase him out of town?
MarineCorps
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Damnyankee said:
Well seeing as the entire purpose of serveing is to go and fight wars.....
Damnyankee said:
I am far more concerned about certian people leaving this country then people getting into this country on that border.
Damnyankee
Honest Abe
cidknee said:
Then don't make a Mexican Border Guard a part of the military, make it a part of some other bureaucracy. Homeland Security it can be under.
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Damnyankee said:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=24
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/enforcement/
And I win.
Damnyankee
Honest Abe
MarineCorps said:
Jesus, they have been trying? I fold, our gov't will never properly guard the border, let the militias do it, and if mexicans up here complain it is there relatives that a militiaman shot, tell them that that person was illegally crossing the border
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Riesstiu IV said:
I agree. Our senators and congressmen only care about the corporation's interests. Through illigal immigration being incouraged by our government with incentives such as free healthcare that our own citizens cannot recieve, they are effectively lowering the overall minimal wage by this surge of uneducated, "will work for a dollar" employees.
Additionally, this is causing justified racism against mexicans who willfully disobey our countrys laws. But who can blame them...
Jawz II
Oh Dear
theres no such thing as "justified racism"
if you wanna be mad, be mad at the people who break the minimum wage law, and hire illegal workers for profit (and the republicans who wanna take away minimum wage altogether)
if a person is willing to risk crossing the border to do a job most whites dont want to do, for less money, that person deserves sympathy not hatred
dont they teach anything about sympathy to white americans? only hate?
if you wanna be mad, be mad at the people who break the minimum wage law, and hire illegal workers for profit (and the republicans who wanna take away minimum wage altogether)
if a person is willing to risk crossing the border to do a job most whites dont want to do, for less money, that person deserves sympathy not hatred
dont they teach anything about sympathy to white americans? only hate?
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