Misandrism

Wait, believing everyone should be loved and supported is a radically different world view?
That's not the entirety of your worldview.

I am committed to building a more just, verdant, and peaceful world, are you?
Yep.

The problem is you're focusing on things other than the point which is sexism and sexual discrimination. We can't have a reasonable discussion on one topic if everytime I mention an occurrence like divorce you go rattling off the catholic perspective and miss the central point at issue.
 
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The problem is you're focusing on things other than the point which is sexism and sexual discrimination. We can't have a reasonable discussion on one topic if everytime I mention an occurrence like divorce you go rattling off the catholic perspective and miss the central point at issue.

Eh? By people working together and supporting their fellow man we can get over these stupid things like racism and sexism through solidarity.
 
Eh? By people working together and supporting their fellow man we can get over these stupid things like racism and sexism through solidarity.
So you're 16, right?
 
Nancyborgasm: Women are still underpaid compared to men...

That statistic has been debunked. Women are only paid less when averaged over their working life because they take time off from work for child rearing. There are some women who practically disappear off the face of the earth when they have kids, and then reappear years later when their kids are older. In fact, it is illegal in the US for women to be paid less than men for the same job. Anyone with knowledge of such a thing can contact the EEOC, who will fine the employer more money than he could possibly save by underpaying his female employees. So therefore, it's legally impossible for women in the US to be underpaid.

In contrast to the US in Germany usually photos are required when sending in an application. And I recently heard of a study according to which attractiveness helps men and harms women with their chance to get invited.

A study that confirms people are liars? I didn't think you needed science for that.
 
Great topic.
I apologize for bringing up Finland again, but it happens to be relevant.
This is a graph from 2009 of men and women of different age groups with a university degree.

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I've got two sons, how do I raise them to compete in this?
 
Well at least in Finland I am pretty sure there women are guaranteed paid maternity leave.

That kind of luxury does not exist in the United States unfortunately, which requires most women to be reliant on a stable relationship and results in less independence.

Also, I believe women do get the same salaries as men. The reason for the discrepancy on the charts is because of the fact women tend to work less than men on average and hold jobs with lower wages.
That doesn't mean they don't carry equivalent wages for the same positions as it is required by law in the United States since gender pay discrimination is illegal here.
 
Translation, please?

Cute.
Miehet=Men
Naiset=Women
Ikä=Age

That doesn't mean they don't carry equivalent wages for the same positions as it is required by law in the United States since Gender pay discrimination is illegal here.
It is in a lot of places, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
It will be interesting to see what will happen with the Wallmart case.
 
It is in a lot of places, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
It will be interesting to see what will happen with the Wallmart case.

Very interesting read. I have heard about this case before but had no idea it was ongoing and so potentially serious.

There does seem to be a lot of evidence pointing to systematic gender discrimination within wal-mart. The plaintiffs apparently include
Article said:
more women than the combined total of active-duty personnel in the U.S. Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy and Coast Guard.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0320-court-walmart-20110319,0,2144306.story

I wish these women luck, if only because of my desire to see such a destructive company suffer.
 
We have come a long way.
Every day more and more women are making their own money. They don't need us men for that.
Every day more and more women are putting out for free. Paying their bar tab and following you home.
I prefer being treated like a piece of meat instead of like a meal ticket.
 
We have come a long way.
Every day more and more women are making their own money. They don't need us men for that.
Every day more and more women are putting out for free. Paying their bar tab and following you home.
I prefer being treated like a piece of meat instead of like a meal ticket.

Personally I'd prefer being treated as a person than as either a piece of meat or a meal ticket

Also I'd like to point out that having two working parents is worse than one working parent
 
Where'd Traitorfish go? This seems like his kind of thread.
 
There is this beer commercial here in America. It always depicts a man being made fun of by a woman.

If the genders were reversed there would be much whining and complaining from their side of the aisle (you know, for a change).

If a bartender spoke to me that way that just means they aren't getting tipped. I don't care how big her knockers are.
 
I've got two sons, how do I raise them to compete in this?

The good thing is of course that individuals are always individuals, men don't have disadvantage when applying to schools.

Also, bringing up Finland again isn't bad idea, since here's almost none gender inequality in laws: the only law that puts men and women in different position is the conscription. The female-euro (80c) is forbidden in law, the reason women get less salary is that women work more low paid jobs (which of course is a bad thing, but not due to the legislation). Of course there's things related to child bearing, but it's harder to tell of them whether they are or not discriminating against women.

So, I'd dare to say that most of Finnish inequality comes from the attitudes and stereotypes people learn and keep up. Women are weak and follow only their emotions. That's why women can't be leaders, unless they are like men of course. Similarly men should be strong, and not some whining crybabies. Violence is sometimes pretty good option for men, if someone for example questions your manliness. It does two folded job, you both silence the other party, and also prove you're a man!

I don't know so much about other people, but I have never been that fond of stereotypes. I wanted to be in textile work rather than wood work in school, but my sister went through lots of arguing and frightening to get me choose the correct one. Also, I was told at school that men are evil, because we want to wage war. Throughout my life I've been also hearing how it's my duty to go to army, also from the same women who thought that that's why men are evil.

There's quite many more small incidents I could tell, but I'm not going through the trouble. Also, the point of me telling these isn't that they are so bad per se, saying this just to prevent the "quit whining and be a man"-stuff. I'm telling these as an illustration of how society teaches people to be men and women. As a result of these lessons learnt women will choose to become nurses and step down to make room for men. Men on the other hand learn to beat each others and that they can't show any weakness. As a result of these lessons women are underrepresented in all the leading places and men overrepresented in jails, suicides and alcoholics.

Someone's sure to say something about blaming society for your own faults. Well, that's not what I'm doing, I'm well educated, I don't practice violence, and my alcoholism is well under control. ;) Speaking of individual responsibility here is mistake, since I'm not speaking of individuals. It makes some sense to pick a woman and tell her that it's her own fault she isn't CEO of a big company, since there is no law against it. It makes much less sense to say that the small number of woman CEOs is fault of women.

It's similar when you think about smoking for example: no individual case of lung cancer can be ascribed to smoking, no matter how heavy smoker the patient is. But when you look at the group of smokers, it's a fact only tobacco manufacturer can deny that smoking causes cancer. Or you can take another group of people whose poor success is mostly due to the attitudes. African Americans for example.

There has to be some reason for the fact that men are (or are about to be) more weakly educated, drink more, use drugs more, go to jail more, kill themselves more etc.

Btw. the above post wasn't directed to you Mathilda, but if I'd have kids I'd probably try to raise them be humans and individuals.
 
If I'm interpreting the chart correctly it seems like there's a huge gap in men and women going to university in Finland. In America now there are more women than men in university but it's just a small gap I think, practically equal. Why do you think it's such a huge gap in Finland?
 
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