In other words: In Russia, gays cannot be gay without being discriminated against, but neither can anyone else!
Hmm... I checked Merriam Webster for discrimination in case I understand it wrongly, but no, I remember the definition quite correctly:
: the practice of unfairly treating a person or group of people differently from other people or groups of people
That's not the case. All laws are applied equally to everyone.
: the ability to recognize the difference between things that are of good quality and those that are not
Well... the difference is recognized, quality is another matter much depending on particular feature in question. I readily agree for instance, that gays are sometimes more gifted in creativity then straights.
: the ability to understand that one thing is different from another thing
The difference, again, is recognized.
So, yes, gays are discriminated meaning that they are distinguished from straights as having a different sexual orientation. But similarly, straights are discriminated too meaning they are distinguished from gays as having a different sexual orientation. What's bad in that?
Nobody is demanding that. What is being is that demanding is that gay people are treated equal and stop being treated like second class citizens.
Ok, they have won then, because that's achieved.
No they can't. Gay people are only attracted to the people of the same gender and since the Russian government has De facto banned same-sex marriage. This creates an unequal situation where heterosexual can marry whom them want, but gay people can not.
Heterosexuals also can't marry whomever they want.
First, they can't marry people younger than 16.
Second, they can't marry if they are already married.
Third, they can't marry if their beloved is already married.
Fourth, they can't marry their close relatives (like parents, grandparents, children, grandchildren, siblings, nephews and nieces, aunts and uncles, not sure about cousins - probably also not).
All these restrictions are effective no matter how people are attracted to each other. And they don't want to marry to whom they're not attracted to, they are left alone with that personal problem of theirs...
Well of course, the official reason for firing isn't going list homosexuality as a reason.
Good you've agreed. So, there are always other reasons.
But what happens is that the gay person can be outed at their workplace and this can led to being fired. Since their boss can simply make up a excuses to fire the person in order to cover up their bigotry. Here is a links that shows how gay people can be fired for their sexuality.
Well, from what I've seen, the guy was fired not for his sexuality but for bringing it up in a TV show, which was supposed to be about something else. It's like being banned from a forum for off-topic (which we are risking right now).
Also comparing homosexuality to a dress code is very wrong. You can't change your sexual orientation like you can change your clothes.
Accepted. Can I compare it to face control? Like you can't go to modeling if you're too ugly or something?
There are certain prerequisites in most of the jobs. People who don't meet (or stop meeting) the prerequisites can't have the job. But it neither means they can't have any other job, nor it means they are necessarily discriminated.
After all being home-based self-employed is always an option.
Gay couples are legally prohibited from adopting by Article 127.2 of the Family Code of Russia. The article prohibits any unmarried couples from adopting and since gay couples can not get married this effectively bans them from adopting.
But the Article 127.2 does not say a thing about gays. It says that "individuals, not being married, cannot
jointly adopt a child as a couple".
This means that it:
a)
equally goes to any two individuals regardless of their sexual orientation,
b)
does not prohibit an individual from adopting a child individually - also regardless of their sexual orientation.
If it makes it easier for you, my wife and I also can't jointly adopt children as a couple because we're not married officially. We just live together as husband and wife for 6 years already.
Because single straight males are being discriminated. It does not mean that its okay to discriminated against gay people. It just show the amount of inequality there is in Russia.
But there
is inequality. Single males have been statistically proved to constitute increased risk of sexual and abuse and physical violence for adopted children. So they are the last to be chosen.
Yes, But what I am trying to say is that the situation in Russia has become so poor for gay people that they are being specifically target by far-right groups.
Yes, and what I am trying to say is that it is not about gays, it's about law enforcement system failure.
This marginalization underlays the difference between a heterosexual and gay people is that heterosexual do not have to deal being marginalize because of their sexuality.
Well, if heterosexuals give their sexuality too much rope they also have to deal with people who are uneasy about that. Give someone too much attention and get ready for harassment accusations.
That is why I said that gay people are being treating like second class citizens.
Still don't think they are. I know a few gays, one is a department manager, another is a logistic specialist (they work for the same company and have an affair, and everybody knows but people don't really care). Yet another one works for a courier company and brings mail, also a fine guy to say "hello" to.
However, I once was attempted to be hooked up by a gay in a bar. Now THAT was ANNOYING... but educating: I had a unique experience of standing fast (and also remain polite which was my personal challenge) against the whole arsenal men usually use on women
I am referring to the Russian LGBT propaganda law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_LGBT_propaganda_law Which has been used to suppress to gay rights advocates.
I see. But this law has 2 major points to consider:
First, it minds minors. With standard 18+ age limit for sexual content, minors are not supposed to know a single thing about any sex at all. Homosexuality goes as integral part of that.
Second, it is about
propaganda defined as active distribution of information. You still can answer questions if you're asked, but you can't go out on an awareness campaign.
You are the one who brought it up
No, I'm not the one who brought it up mentioning LGBT and their supposed problems.
You guys just don't understand. You're absolutely free to have any religion you want, you just have to want Christianity first. You're absolutely free to have whatever political ideology you want, you just have to want the official one first.
Yes, you're absolutely free to have any religion you want, but you do have to want Christianity first
if want to be
officially baptized or receive the sacraments.
Yes, you're absolutely free to have whatever political ideology you want, but
if you want to
officially join a party, you do have to first want the official one of that party.
Because we're talking here about the
official formal marriage, not about having sex with someone.
You should know that this line of argument is about as convincing a donkey farting.
Really? I'm not an expert in donkey farting, but if you say so... it must be quite convincing, especially if you're left in a locked room with it.
