Most insane NES'er currently?

[silver 2039]

Yes everything is good.

 

[das]

Killing and tormenting people is wrong, no matter what excuse is made for it - including relativism.

Not really wrong. Killing and tormenting people is an essential ingredient of progress, whether you like it or not.

Sometimes there is a necessity, such as in war - but most wars are feeble excuses, not rightous and it still does not change the fact that it's wrong, and if not justifiable a sin.

It depends on what one considers a sin. Perhaps from a Christian viewpoint killing is a sin, but from my (Russian nationalist) viewpoint the worst "sin", so to speak, is treachery. As for killing, it is often NECESSARY for the good of the state and of humanity. If you like to ski, you will have to like to carry skis as well.

David was not allowed to construct the Temple in Jerusalem because of all the blood on his hands.

Actually, I get the impression that he simply wasn't a man for extravagant building projects...

There are diffrent viewpoints of right and wrong. I would take great pleasure in killing/tormenting certain peoples.

Precisely.

The triumph of pacifism will be the doom of mankind, as was already predicted in the early 20th century.

 

[Toteone]

I'm quite sure you wouldn't for real... in fact 98% of humanity is incapable of it without modern training in the army.

And viewpoints do not constitute values, if someone burns down your house or kill of your entire family I'm sure you'd cry foul.

 

[silver 2039]

Yes ok goodbye

 

[Jason The King]

Im gonna go read sophies world this weekend. When i come back there will be hell to pay.

 

[Oruc]

Im gonna go read sophies world this weekend. When i come back there will be hell to pay.

hUh? BUh?

qwerty

 

[Kal'thzar]

its a philosophy book, kind of it mixes a story line into it as well. (i raed it when i was 9-10? way over my head)

 

[andis-1]

You don't know me how do you know I am incapable of killling? Life is cheap and the vast majority of lives are meningless. It wold not be exccedingly difficult for me to shoot someone or order the deaths of millions I have no emotional problenms with that.

This is getting scary... do I have a twin brother???

 

[Toteone]

It's dead boring and not all that good but it hit a nerve in it's time, a very good book all in all and written by a Norwegian author. The sad thing is the only faction of all the philosophies he describes with any contempt were Christians who thought the Earh was flat... several hundred years ago... amidst not condemning anything else in a book of many hundred pages. It goes off for a sucky ending on whatever was exciting in it but the plot is really there just for a chronological agnostic view of the philosophies since the Greeks. It's a pretty good anthology of the major western philosophies through the ages. It includes some of the east, a bit. Anyways I drift...

Silver, I don't know you IRL, you are correct.
However research has shown that soldiers who though they were capable of killing did not attempt to kill under extenuating circumstances. I'll take you at your word partly, I'm sure you could push a button. But kill a man with a gun, a sword or your fists? There are deep phsycological barriers against such behavior in man. German troops in WW1 and WW2 reported their trigger fingers freezing, guns and rifles in the American civil war were very often found to have a ton of bullets showed down the gullet-whattinot. Mathematical evidence has shown through war after war up to WW2 that in close combat situations the rate of casualties would have been FAR, FAR higher, in fact the figures were in such extreme contrast to known facts and simulations of close combat that the only way they could have not hit each other was if they were firing at the air above their target.

Ugh... I'm not going into details, there is stuff on this on the net.
Suffice to say you may be a nihilist or not believe in the value of man and feel capable of killing but unless you're one of the 2% I have every faith that you would be unable to commit such an act unless you were pushing a button and even then I have faith it would be extremely difficult.

'It's easy to kill' is an urban legend. To the vast majority of the population modern training is required.
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Summary: I do not know that you are incapable of killing. I know that 49/50 of humans would experience extreme psycological aversions to such an act with or without physical manifestations.

 

[Symphony D.]

Most Insane: Toteone
Most Cliché: Silver2039

 

[Disenfrancised]

We should take them apart and recombine them into a creature of unspeakable dementia!!! - Toter2039 for most insane forumer '06!

 

[Toteone]

eep

...

on the other hand we would kick arse and take names

 

[Oruc]

i dont think Silver got enough hugs (or votes)

 

[das]

Summary: I do not know that you are incapable of killing. I know that 49/50 of humans would experience extreme psycological aversions to such an act with or without physical manifestations.

Did you ask 49/50 of humans? Maybe it applies in the West, but not over here definitely... Not sure about India.

Either way:

I'm quite sure you wouldn't for real... in fact 98% of humanity is incapable of it without modern training in the army.

And viewpoints do not constitute values, if someone burns down your house or kill of your entire family I'm sure you'd cry foul.

Did you bother reading my post? I didn't say anything about going out into the street and shooting people at random or anything like it. But pacifism is the certain road to ruin. Its obvious results are docility and stagnation. As for killing people, it is rarely possible to get anything done at all without certain "excesses".

Either way, we should get back to our dolphins and insane NESers. IMHO dolphins are a rising world power, though it is unclear on whose side are they in the eternal polar bear-penguin war. As for insane NESers, they make things more interesting.

And as for Hitler, re-read Dune (third book, don't remember how it's called...). There was a good episode there which portrays the way future generations will probably perceive Hitler.

 

[Gelion]

Did you ask 49/50 of humans? Maybe it applies in the West, but not over here definitely... Not sure about India.

Must disagree. Surely there are some cultures where killing another person is psychologically eaiser, but if things come to worst many pace activists will be killing each other for a last piece of bread......
Maybe I'm just not in the mood

 

[das]

Maybe I'm just not in the mood

for killing.

Sorry, sorry. Either way, if things come to worsy most people, regardless of culture, will be killing each other for a last piece of bread anyway. And its not wrong in any way, IMHO, its perfectly natural.

 

[Gelion]

for killing.

Sorry, sorry. Either way, if things come to worsy most people, regardless of culture, will be killing each other for a last piece of bread anyway. And its not wrong in any way, IMHO, its perfectly natural.

Well yeah and it is rarely dependant on culture....

I was just thinking how rarely we discuss things within NESing forum. Its mostly been in the Offtopic and there other CFCers intervene....

Anyways das what are your plans for Kalt'zars NES?
Я тебе еще пригожусь

 

[das]

Я тебе еще пригожусь

As a puppet ruler of Switzerland?

 

[Gelion]

As a puppet ruler of Switzerland?

At least we can afford to eat 3 times a day..... anyways if you want I can grant you asylum here when you and your party "слетите" in Moscow....

 

[Kozmos]

Killing is easy when you set your self in the right mentality,namely the 'kill or be killed' one.

You western people are way too moral,but I guess that is because its easy to be a saint in paradise.