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[Ailedhoo]

Even though the Imperium of Man looks down on the pitiful UN for its attempts to chain the strong... we see its influencel powers. However since the Emperor of Man is above such organisation he will declare a purpose of not endorsing himself. That said he understands the power of soft power and hence endores the Pepel States. Peel, which will become the 4th Rome, will seek to see the 1st Rome in grand power. With the control of the UN by the Pope we of the Imperium will be safe by any efforts to restrict the wealth of the Empire of Man.

All hail his imperial majesty, Emperor Gilmore, who by Divine Right will lead us to glory!

 

[GenMarshall]

You know full well the context of your original quote has nothing to do with the application of Catholic dogma in government structures and everything to do with the Church's claim to act on moral principles, a claim to which Solitude responded by deliberately declaring Catholic moral teaching as anathema to its principles thus making known your governments opposition to the Catholic faith. Ergo you are again deliberately attempting to redirect this discussion in order to hide the fact that your government is radically against religious faith in general, and the Catholic faith in particular.

Even in attempting to hide this you showcase your anti-religious bigotry by declaring that religion has no place in government. This is tantamount to stating that you would see religious thought, the religious sentiment of your people, shut out from an ostensible democratic process and that you would deny religion a place in the public sphere and keep it locked away in the Church, synagogue or temple. This is not only anti-religious but it is also totalitarian, and utterly contrary to democracy and the freedom that supposedly exists in liberal societies. The Papal States believed that in a democracy the people had the right to express their opinions and beliefs politically no matter what those beliefs where. The reality seems to be, despite all your rhetoric, that Solitude permits only the opinions of the dominant grouping in society and circumscribes and surpresses the others, such as religiously based ideology, in an ideological dictatorship no better than those communist polities which silences those ideologues who dissent from socialism. As this kind of communist state silences liberals and capitalists, so does Solitude suppress and marginalise those who disagree with the ruling classes definition of "reason".

Do you know what separation of church and state means?!The government of Solitude is not against religious faiths in general. It's even stated within our own constitution that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Even our senators, representatives, and mayors come from different religious backgrounds. To say that were "suppressing" religious thought is just ludicrous, we don't want to see the encroachment of religion into a realm that is suppose to be neutral of religion.

The Holy See positions itself as favoring democracy, yet itself is a theocratic state that would punish heretics and critics of the Church, not allowing divorces, and impose strict conduct between sexual minorities. The Solitude Republic does not want to see any of those policies that are present within the Catholic Doctrine, to be imposed onto other nations. Yet here you are, throwing mud and disinformation against the Republic of Solitude, just because we don't agree with a certain aspect of your doctrine and criticisms of your state.

 

[topsecret]

If I sign up as an NGO, do I have to post currency, etc.?

 

[Sonereal]

NGOs don't typically print off their own currency.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Nah, currency isn't needed.

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I'll also say that while debate is fine, let's not make stuff look too much like it came right out of OT.

 

[Sonereal]

Hey guys,

Changed my mind, Algeria should nominate itself for Secretary General to the UN.

We believe the United Nations, as a collection of nations working together multilaterally, and not as a supraorganization, can pave the way for economic progress across the world. This includes supporting investment and free trade across the world.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Algeria - Supports nations working together to fund development worldwide.
Solitude - 1 endorsements (Malay). Strong emphasis on separation of church and state in UN politics. Rule of law and freedom main priorities.
Papacy - 4 endorsements (Jung, Manx, Netherlands, Namibia). Respect for sovereignity; proposes to make it possible for the UN to intervene in cases of gross human rights violations.
Singapore - 1 endorsement (Corporation) Platform of states' rights and private state actions to resolve crises rather than UN action.
Shimazu - 1 endorsement (Aden). No platform.
Tropico - Platform of national privacy, use of embargoes to end conflicts.

 

[filli_noctus]

This little disagreement between the Holy Father and the Republic of Solitude is exactly the reason the Fraternal Order exists. A lack of understanding between these two great powers, who both wish to do what is right for the citizens of their nations and the citizens of the world, has caused them to engage in diplomatic fisticuffs over the minutiae of their histories and domestic policies. This may be a small matter but it demonstrates why we are here.
We invite both governments to attend an event at our Grand Lodge to teach each other, and the nations of the world, of their cultures and ideals so greater understanding and fellowship can be achieved.

 

[JohannaK]

Shimazu runs the hipster ticket.

 

[Tani Coyote]

http://imgur.com/au4iE

World map thus far.

Not sure if DT or LH are in or not.

 

[topsecret]

I am joining as an NGO.
Name: The Agency
Short History: The Agency is a what could be called a "organization" of spies. What they really are is a collection of men dedicated to one mission- spying. Agents are deployed via various means, all to further whatever means Agent 0 is attempting to accomplish. Under Agent 0's supervision, the Agents choose their own codenames, and terrorism is not the Agency's primary concern- that is, most of the time.

 

[Jehoshua]

Do you know what separation of church and state means?!The government of Solitude is not against religious faiths in general. It's even stated within our own constitution that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Even our senators, representatives, and mayors come from different religious backgrounds. To say that were "suppressing" religious thought is just ludicrous, we don't want to see the encroachment of religion into a realm that is suppose to be neutral of religion.

The Holy See positions itself as favoring democracy, yet itself is a theocratic state that would punish heretics and critics of the Church, not allowing divorces, and impose strict conduct between sexual minorities. The Solitude Republic does not want to see any of those policies that are present within the Catholic Doctrine, to be imposed onto other nations. Yet here you are, throwing mud and disinformation against the Republic of Solitude, just because we don't agree with a certain aspect of your doctrine and criticisms of your state.

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Its strange how every time the Republic of Solitude returns correspondence in this particular discussion, that they constantly change their position so long as its convenient for them. How intriguing it is that now they attest so strongly that there are christians in their government, that they are neutral in regards to religion, and that religious exercise is not prohibited. Yet the government of Solitude itself is on record as saying the following.

If its based on the Christian Catholic doctrine, then it goes completely against secular and socially liberal leaning states

Such neutral words for a supposedly religiously neutral state... What is pertinent here and in regards to your supposed tolerance is how you define free exercise of religion. You may very well permit the practice of the rites of the faith and call that free exercise of religion, you may let people be christian in the Church or the home. But as soon as that faith comes into the public square, well I will let your own words do the talking.

The Catholic Doctrine, by far, is quite conservative by nature. Notably, A prohibition on divorces and restriction on sexual activities. Which are by far against our own ideologies.

As soon as an opinion "against your ideologies" is expressed in public, as soon as the christian tries to live his faith publically as his religion, as any religion, demands of its followers and advance his positions in the public political sphere than as you have said, that is "completely against secular and socially liberal leaning states" and is not permitted. As you yourself said, you are opposed to the application of religion in governance, in the political life of the state. You are opposed to people living their faith in public and political life! Your own words tell your protestations of religious liberty for the falsehoods they are. Anything contrary to your liberal orthodoxy and its ideological and moral positions is banished to the private sphere since as you say liberalism is your own ideology, and anything that is against that, that challenges the states position, is dismissed, marginalised and not tolerated in the public or political spheres so totally is liberalism intertwined with the very identity of your nations establishment.

This makes solitude hypocritical if it proclaims itself as a democratic nation. The Holy See, which despite your assertions to the contrary does not proclaim about itself or about the papal states national culture which is altogether different from those nations of an american tradition that they are democratic, or supportive of democracy. What we are saying is that if you want to call yourself and your nation democratic, you should truly be as such instead of using the political form of elections to cover for the ideological tyranny and social totalitarianism of your regime. You oppose us and our social structure for ensuring our traditions are maintained within our own universally Catholic society, and yet you yourself are more restrictive than we are on that political opinions are permitted to be expressed in your state and yet you criticise us! And worse you hide behind a facade and pretend you are all about liberty! At least the Papal States has integrity and its positions are known to the world, Solitude on the other hand, seemingly like the great enemy itself seemingly is content to peddle lies and hide its true nature. As it is written even the devil himslf can appear as an angel of light.

 

[GenMarshall]

As soon as an opinion "against your ideologies" is expressed in public, as soon as the christian tries to live his faith publically as his religion, as any religion, demands of its followers and advance his positions in the public political sphere than as you have said, that is "completely against secular and socially liberal leaning states" and is not permitted. As you yourself said, you are opposed to the application of religion in governance, in the political life of the state. You are opposed to people living their faith in public and political life! Your own words tell your protestations of religious liberty for the falsehoods they are. Anything contrary to your liberal orthodoxy and its ideological and moral positions is banished to the private sphere since as you say liberalism is your own ideology, and anything that is against that, that challenges the states position, is dismissed, marginalised and not tolerated in the public or political spheres so totally is liberalism intertwined with the very identity of your nations establishment.

This makes solitude hypocritical if it proclaims itself as a democratic nation. The Holy See, which despite your assertions to the contrary does not proclaim about itself or about the papal states national culture which is altogether different from those nations of an american tradition that they are democratic, or supportive of democracy. What we are saying is that if you want to call yourself and your nation democratic, you should truly be as such instead of using the political form of elections to cover for the ideological tyranny and social totalitarianism of your regime. You oppose us and our social structure for ensuring our traditions are maintained within our own universally Catholic society, and yet you yourself are more restrictive than we are on that political opinions are permitted to be expressed in your state and yet you criticise us! And worse you hide behind a facade and pretend you are all about liberty! At least the Papal States has integrity and its positions are known to the world, Solitude on the other hand, seemingly like the great enemy itself seemingly is content to peddle lies and hide its true nature. As it is written even the devil himslf can appear as an angel of light.

Let's get a couple of things straight here. First of all, the Republic of Solitude is a democratic nation. Second of all, we have a constitutional amendment that guarantees freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. No religion is given favoritism nor is it suppressed. When I stated that religion should not be applied in governments it is to ensure that no one group oppresses a minority religion or group, just because the major religion or group views a minority religion/group's practices as deviant. We are not more restrictive than the Papal States, in fact, we have more civil rights and liberties.

You claim that we have ideological tyranny and social totalitarianism in the Republic. You've got that wrong there. I've stated many times before that the Republic has a freedom of religion clause in which the citizens have the freedom and the right to worship and practice their faiths, or not. When I stated "completely against secular and socially liberal leaning states", I am referring to the restrictive social policies that have been outlined in the Catholic Doctrine: No Divorces and rules set upon on sentient sexual behavior and reproduction.

The Papal States had their chance of Soltidue's endorsement if they had clarified that they won't impose their social policies onto other socially liberal leaning countries, including the Republic itself. But instead, you wrongly assume and assert that the Solitude Republic is some totalitarian anti-religious regime.

President Hanna Antilles has agreed with the Fraternal Order's offer to better understand each other's cultures and policies. Since clearly what's been going on, is a lack of understanding between the Solitude Republic and the Holy See.

 

[Nintz]

ooc: a coin toss is no way to choose a General Secretary candidate just like having an aquatic tart throw a sword at someone is no way to choose a King.

OOC: See my government title.

And yes, I got the reference.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Let's get a couple of things straight here. First of all, the Republic of Solitude is a democratic nation.

Democracy is the way of weakness. The Imperium follows not the road to anarchy that democrats like your nation does! You lack the Divine Right that his Imperial Majesty of the Isle of Man has. All hail Gilmore!

 

[filli_noctus]

The Grand Lodge cultural exchange centre is open. Please present your diplomatic credentials at the door if you wish to contribute to the discussions and presentations.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Cathisis: The Spammer's Crusade would like to endorse the Republic of Solitude as we believe that they are the least likely to compromise the way of the spam. I will now post this informative and encouraging lolcat to ensure your victory.

Cathisis: See? Look how cute and encourging they AWWWWWW.

Yoshi: BTW, in our Constitution that we make a new admendment for every time we need to fix a loophole and/or a new issue comes up that needs to be resolved, religious freedoms are respected as long as they pratice their ways in a spammy manner, which does not compromise their faith. Also, non-nice religions are not allowed, like ones that perform ritual sacrifice or make people cut their willies off. Yeah.

 

[Arrow Gamer]

Cascadia announces it's running for General-Seceratry. It espouses the platform of increased economic freedom and a stronger UN in terms of peace-keeping forces.

 

[JohannaK]

Shimazu runs on a platform of heavily encouraging discussion in the UN (aka RP a lots).

 

[Dem Taqat]

Not sure if DT or LH are in or not.

Hey, I never said I was leaving did I?

The United Kingdom Of New Zealand would like to endorse Singapore in it's bid to become General Secritariat.

DT
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