My morals

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Am I good or evil? Or decent-but-not-actually-good?

I currently work without pay as a practicant in a social institution for children, a place for them to hang out after school. It's a publicly supported service we have in Denmark, and as such, I'm a part of a big socialist system that attempts to please children as well as educate them socially. To short it down, I'm a paedagogue practicant. I'm sharing these details because I don't know how after school clubs work in the US, fx.: I assume they are much more privately funded there.

Anyways, I'm still a practicant. I have the low weekly required hours of 21.5, but I don't get paid for any of them. The government pays my collegues, but I only get regular social service (Which is enough for me to survive without luxuries). I spend my short workday caring for children and guiding them to be better people, care about others, develop creative skills, personality, etc.

I take additional unpaid hours to work at the institution for free, ask them to have me join dinner nights as well as help at parties for the older kids. The low requirement of my weekly workload therefore only exist on paper. I invest a lot of my time into this institution to help everyone out.

And it makes me feel good. Real good, infact. I feel like a warm human being that helps the public sector in a self-sacrificing way instead of looking for work. I try my best to work extra when I can; clean things that others cared not to; almost always ask my collegues for advice to how I handle a children's conflict; engage myself in the children, hoping to help them shape themselves in a good way.

My collegues like the way I act. They think I'm a great guy that they like having around. I feel some kind of archievement in doing this; I feel that there are sunny spots on me when they acknowledge what I do. Granted, I do also have a potential future job in the institution if I do well enough.

Thinking about what I do right now - And even by reading this over - I know that a lot of the things that make me feel like a good human ends up in myself using the phrase "I'm a good human". And I repeat that to myself. I may identify with doing good; I may identify with being good; I am sure my collegues like the part I play at the institution and I love that they are happy I'm there. I feel that I'm important, a good worker working for a good cause. I take pride into being good; I am awesome, perhaps.

And perhaps I'm all up my bottocks.

Going by utility, I'm most probably a good person. I work for children in the social services without getting paid, and I might actually get a job to do this consistently.

But again, this could only be a need to shine in my own light. I don't do this selflessly as my self feels much better as an entity to me.

I know this has been debated to death since Kanthian plight ethics, but I still want to know what impressions people have about my thoughts. Will zu Macht? At the end, there's the chance I may actually get the job, after all...

Please go both Kant & Bentham on me (And Nietzsche if you feel like using the terms bad or good) and heck, Rand too! This is a social institution and is paid for most prominently by the wealthy. Socialism is also evil, right? ;) Hit me with anything, maybe even your own opinion!
 
I must ask, when you say no luxuries, does that mean no internet, so is internet connection a basic thing in Denmark.

I wouldn't call it selfish if you got a job, you've done much already, its okay to look after your self for some time.
 
Internet connection is almost required for a living for many reasons. Most job applications are done online, fx.

No, I don't consider internet a luxury. It's freely available at the public library, even if I couldn't afford it. :)
 
Going by what you just told us, you are a good person. You may not be an altruist but you're still a good person. There is nothing bad about feeling good for helping people. And even if your motivation was completely selfish, as long as it benefits others too I still would consider you good.
 
You are evil and I want nothing to do with you.






No, really, that's great! If more people were like you, the world would be far better.
 
You're a good guy.
 
Thank you all. I assumed this was being full of oneself in the way that it devaluated what I did. But you acknowledge what I do, so... Here's to getting up tomorrow and making a difference for the children. :)

EDIT: Maniacal made me laugh.
 
The only bad thing I can see in the above post is that you might be taking a job for free that someone else might have taken for pay. Besides that, if the kids are happy and you are happy I dont see what your problem is. Everyone benefits.
(I'm taking it that you are on one of the "slave labour" schemes of our former and current government, "Activation" or "Buisness Practicant" schemes)
And thats forced so you don't really have a choice.

If i didn't get any satishfaction from my job, be it making money, helping others or the like I wouldn't be satishfied myself. So I think you should just enjoy your current situation because it is not a given it will ever be any better in any other position...
 
To some certain extend I have a sort of similar problem...
I am leading a school, I am a vice principal of a school...
I don't agree with much of the things we are forced to teach and the way we are forced to teach, all from government regulations.
I have many characteristics that would get me fired if the ministry of education knew about.
And in a way, because of this, see myself as not suited for the job.
Yet the children, teachers and even the head principle all find me invaluable and I do a decent job...
But I guess with rules, regulations and so on, we are the majority of teachers/paedagogues/principles in Denmark
 
You are doing good, I assume. But if you are "good", by your own morals, I can't tell. You are right in putting your actions into a certain framework. You do this cause it is a good thing to do but also because doing a good thing makes you feel well. In other words, altruism works for you. If that still qualifies as "good" in a philosophical sense for you only you can tell. For me it does. Because:

Those who you help don't care if you like doing that or not as long as you do it well.
 
I wish they had places like this in the States and people such as yourself. My adolescence probably would've been very different if so.

If places like this existed in the US I would also volunteer there.
 
You are engaging in a good act of service. Kudo's to you :goodjob:

As to your morals.. well this is a good work and the altruistic nature with which you approach it is praiseworthy, but I have absolutely no idea of your interior state of mind, or anything else about you apart from the fact you go on CFC forums and do praiseworthy works for the help of children. As such it is not in my capacity or anyones really to determine your comprehensive moral worth. God knows you may be hiding some figurative skeleton in the closet no one knows about :p
 
Joakim. The Danish word "praktikant" is translated as "intern" or "trainee" in English. I think you are making up a new word.

Anyway, I fail to see how it's suddenly bad to be selfish. Being selfish doesn't make you any less of a good person. People are judged by their actions not their motives.
 
You are a wicked, amoral sinner. We are all sinners and are guilty before our Lord :mad:
 
Wait until you raise your own children :pat: 24/7 will feel very different from 21.5 :)
 
What in what you describe seems to you to be immoral? I mean I see nothing even vaguely immoral in what you wrote, it's all good. I don't really understand your question
 
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