Nationalized Healthcare? Not In My Back Yard!

[Grisu]

They'll cite ideological reasons forever on this issue but really just comes down to money. Some people are making a lot of money off of the capitalist health care system and they don't want to give it up. That's even if it means that millions of people suffer. It's just greed doing the talking really.

I don't know. After all Doctors are private people here too, earning their money per client. So they'd still make money in a nationalized system. A lot of hospitals in europe are private as well, so you can still earn money through providing health services.

As for my doctor being picked by some bureaucrat. what makes you think this? I can pick my doctor freely (in fact switched to another doc last year), nationalized health care does not prevent this. Furthermore I'm still free to get 'more' healthcare if I wish: for a additional fee I can get private rooms in hospitals etc.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

They should get better jobs.

You are quite the Christian, aren't you HSOS?

 

[Murky]

I don't know. After all Doctors are private people here too, earning their money per client. So they'd still make money in a nationalized system. A lot of hospitals in europe are private as well, so you can still earn money through providing health services.

As for my doctor being picked by some bureaucrat. what makes you think this? I can pick my doctor freely (in fact switched to another doc last year), nationalized health care does not prevent this. Furthermore I'm still free to get 'more' healthcare if I wish: for a additional fee I can get private rooms in hospitals etc.

The doctors and the hospitals wouldn't be affected much by it. It would be the for-profit health insurance industry that would no longer be needed. There are people with cushy office jobs earning six figure salaries in the health insurance business. They're not going to give that up without a fight.

 

[wicshade]

in any thing that the government provides free of charge to the public they pick what they see is best. In America, why is it the quality of are school sytems is so irregular, poor comunities have schools of less quality. It's funding, IMO if the government funded healthcare it be very simialar to that. The american government is fairly cheap when it comes to providing civil services, but wer purty good at builden us a gosh darn military. My highschool moto "we ain't to bright but we have alot of fun". i think im straying off topic though.

 

[MobBoss]

18000 people die every year because they can't afford their medical treatment, that's like 3.5 911's that we are willingly allowing to occur every year. I'd really like for these people to get the help they need.

18000 out of 300 million plus isnt even going to register on the scale. Compared to motor vehicle accidents/heart disease/and other forms of death, I would say your odds of dying because you cant afford medical care to be extremely small - almost insignificant in comparison.

In other words - it sure doesnt sound like a big problem to me.

 

[JollyRoger]

18000 out of 300 million plus isnt even going to register on the scale. Compared to motor vehicle accidents/heart disease/and other forms of death, I would say your odds of dying because you cant afford medical care to be extremely small - almost insignificant in comparison.

In other words - it sure doesnt sound like a big problem to me.

Did 9/11 register with you?

 

[JohnRM]

You are quite the Christian, aren't you HSOS?

I don't recall anything in Christianity that says you must be a socialist.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

I don't recall anything in Christianity that says you must be a socialist.

I remember something about Jesus cleaning a prostitute's feat, but not anything about him pushing her away and telling her to get a better job and change her lifestyle. Priceless

 

[Masquerouge]

I don't recall anything in Christianity that says you must be a socialist.

I dont recall anything in nationalized healthcare that says you must be a socialist, either.

 

[MobBoss]

Did 9/11 register with you?

Are you really (and I mean really) trying to compare 18k people dying over the course of a year due to lack of money to a terrorist attack on our nation that killed 2k+ in a single morning and cost the country untold billions of dollars?

If so then I strongly suggest you re-examine your sense of proportionality.

 

[Sanctum]

What?! The health care tax is voluntary?

Its like if you don't pay for your electricity your power gets shut off, if you don't pay for your healthcare you don't get treated. John said he isn't regularily insured, so he could just not pay his healthcare tax and he'd be as well off as before.

 

[wicshade]

there seems to be a few tangents starting here one, comparing 9/11 i don't understand how you see a conection with that and free healthcare for 300 million.

also we are starting to bring religion into this debate, i don't see the point involving moralality, it is going to go nowhere,

and id also like to point out what seems to be the 2 sides forming on this discussion, It seems to me that the majority of people asking for America to adopt a free healthcare system, are not even People who are from or living in America, and it seems more then obvious that the only people that do not support universal healthcare are Americans. Im not trying to be rude, but i that is the way i am percieving this. I for one don't support universal healthcae in America i do think are system needs some changes but that is one i am not agreed with.

 

[JollyRoger]

Are you really (and I mean really) trying to compare 18k people dying over the course of a year due to lack of money to a terrorist attack on our nation that killed 2k+ in a single morning and cost the country untold billions of dollars?

If so then I strongly suggest you re-examine your sense of proportionality.

We responded on behalf the 9/11 victims. I don't see why 18k per year should not merit something more than "does not register."

Btw - pretty classy in feeling the need to put the untold billions of dollars on the 9/11 side of the equation. It's a subtle admission that you don't have complete confidence in your righteous indignation towards me without the backing of the almighty dollar.

 

[Bill3000]

I don't recall anything in Christianity that says you must be a socialist.

While you don't need to be a socialist, outside of socialism being extremely compabible with Christianity, social darwinism is entirely unchristian.

 

[Masquerouge]

and id also like to point out what seems to be the 2 sides forming on this discussion, It seems to me that the majority of people asking for America to adopt a free healthcare system, are not even People who are from or living in America, and it seems more then obvious that the only people that do not support universal healthcare are Americans. Im not trying to be rude, but i that is the way i am percieving this. I for one don't support universal healthcae in America i do think are system needs some changes but that is one i am not agreed with.

I think I have been rather involved in this thread, and I am living in the US. I have experienced the two systems first-hand. I know how much I paid in taxes for the nationalized one and how much I'm paying for the private one, and I know what I'm getting for my money. I've experienced in both countries dentists, doctors, ophtalmologists, hospitals, dermatologists...

Nationalized healthcare, when properly implemented, works. It's as simple as that. I for one do not see anything immoral or ridiculous in paying taxes so that me and my fellow citizens can get good and proper care, and given that it's less expensive to a country than private healthcare I have even less qualms about it.

 

[MobBoss]

We responded on behalf the 9/11 victims. I don't see why 18k per year should not merit something more than "does not register."

Btw - pretty classy in feeling the need to put the untold billions of dollars on the 9/11 side of the equation. It's a subtle admission that you don't have complete confidence in your righteous indignation towards me without the backing of the almighty dollar.

No, Jolly...its just a simple concept called what has more impact upon the nation. Perhaps you are too 'burdened' down there in Texas to really give it much thought, but honestly, the two are not anywhere near comparable.

Its high time you crawled out from under that bridge waiting for the billygoats and actually bring something to the conversation instead of your usual drivel.

 

[Masquerouge]

It would be really cool if neither 9/11 nor the Iraq war made it in this thread

 

[MobBoss]

It would be really cool if neither 9/11 nor the Iraq war made it in this thread

Blame the guy(s) that brought it up first.

 

[JollyRoger]

Its high time you crawled out from under that bridge waiting for the billygoats and actually bring something to the conversation instead of your usual drivel.

The billygoats ate most of my and , so my drivel is sometimes less emoticonned than yours. Sorry about that.

I wonder if 18,000 per year register with more than they do with his followers?

 

[JohnRM]

I remember something about Jesus cleaning a prostitute's feat, but not anything about him pushing her away and telling her to get a better job and change her lifestyle. Priceless

I don't think Jesus supported having the people paying the medical bills for the prostitute's STDs.