Nazis in Ukraine

[Snowygerry]

Kupe's comment that Ukraine can do what they like within their own borders.

I agreed: Ukrainians and their neo-Nazis and ultra-Nationalists did what they liked in Donbas.
Goaded and armed by the US, they poked at Russia, shelled the area for several years and now
they are not doing that any more because they have been evicted from the area, with extreme
prejudice.

So I agree: you can do what you want within your own borders, but you don't get to choose the
consequences. Russia will also have to cope with the consequences of their reaction.

Actually - the Ukrainian field army there is just about the only thing the Russians haven't attacked.

They failed to capture either Donetsk or Luhansk, instead they were bombarding the citizens of Kiev and Kharkov for the past month.

 

[red_elk]

Actually - the Ukrainian field army there is just about the only thing the Russians haven't attacked.

Ukrainian army in DPR/LPR is pretty much the only thing Russian army is attacking for the last 2-3 weeks.

They failed to capture either Donetsk or Luhansk, instead they were bombarding the citizens of Kiev and Kharkov for the past month.

Failed to capture Donetsk and Lugansk, which both have been controlled by pro-Russian rebels for the last 8 years?

 

[Snowygerry]

Failed to evict the Ukrainian army from their positions in Luhansk and Donetsk yes.

They are still there.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I agreed: Ukrainians and their neo-Nazis and ultra-Nationalists did what they liked in Donbas.
Goaded and armed by the US, they poked at Russia, shelled the area for several years and now
they are not doing that any more because they have been evicted from the area, with extreme
prejudice

Sigh...

But nooo these are westerm propaganda.

 

[red_elk]

Failed to evict the Ukrainian army from their positions in Luhansk and Donetsk yes.

They are still there.

Donetsk and Lugansk are two major cities controlled by DPR and LPR, there are no Ukrainian positions there.
Ukrainian army controls towns in the outskirts of Donetsk, as well as Mariupol (few districts of it by now) - that's where most combat is concentrated last weeks, and where Ukrainian army is being gradually pushed from.
What you said, "Ukrainian field army there is just about the only thing the Russians haven't attacked" is not just wrong, it's pretty much the opposite of reality.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Donetsk and Lugansk are two major cities controlled by DPR and LPR, there are no Ukrainian positions there.
Ukrainian army controls towns in the outskirts of Donetsk, as well as Mariupol - that's where most combat is concentrated last weeks, and where Ukrainian army is being gradually pushed from.
What you said, "Ukrainian field army there is just about the only thing the Russians haven't attacked" is not just wrong, it's pretty much the opposite of reality.

It isn't like you have been twisting reality. Anything that comes out of you is worth less than ruble.

 

[Snowygerry]

Donetsk and Lugansk are two major cities controlled by DPR and LPR, there are no Ukrainian positions there.
Ukrainian army controls towns in the outskirts of Donetsk, as well as Mariupol (few districts of it by now) - that's where most combat is concentrated last weeks, and where Ukrainian army is being gradually pushed from.
What you said, "Ukrainian field army there is just about the only thing the Russians haven't attacked" is not just wrong, it's pretty much the opposite of reality.

Before the war that army was estimated at 60K - it was expected to be quickly surrounded and defeated in a scene reminiscent of Stalingrad.

Now one month in they are still holding.

Must warn you though - this is the Nazi thread "opposite from reality" is what we do here

 

[Ferocitus]

Actually - the Ukrainian field army there is just about the only thing the Russians haven't attacked.

They failed to capture either Donetsk or Luhansk, instead they were bombarding the citizens of Kiev and Kharkov for the past month.

Their compadres already controlled Donbas. Russia has its own strategy and tactics, and change them
as circumstances dictate. Same as the Ukraine.

Russia might start using high-altitude bombers, an option not available to Ukraine. I hope not, but
the US and others seem to prefer pushing more arms into the area instead of emphasizing the need for
serious talks, ones that have specific items that address Russian concerns, and not just vague
promises of future referendums. If they don't then sadly that's just going to mean more of Ukraine
is flattened and many more people die or end up as refugees.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Their compadres already controlled Donbas. Russia has its own strategy and tactics, and change them
as circumstances dictate. Same as the Ukraine.

Russia might start using high-altitude bombers, an option not available to Ukraine. I hope not, but
the US and others seem to prefer pushing more arms into the area instead of emphasizing the need for
serious talks, ones that have specific items that address Russian concerns, and not just vague
promises of future referendums. If they don't then sadly that's just going to mean more of Ukraine
is flattened and many more people die or end up as refugees.

Again none of this is oh so divine Russia's fault is it?

 

[Snowygerry]

Unless they win the war no one gives a flying fig about "Russian concerns".

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Unless they win the war no one gives about flying fig about "Russian concerns".

True just as no one gave a frig about German concerns after WW1.

 

[red_elk]

Before the war that army was estimated at 60K - it was expected to be quickly surrounded and defeated in a scene reminiscent of Stalingrad.

Estimated by who? And what it has to do with your original goal post that Russian army doesn't even try to kick them out of Donbass?

 

[Ferocitus]

Again none of this is oh so divine Russia's fault is it?

So keep pushing for more weapons for Ukraine to teach the Russians a lesson if you think that's a good tactic.
If those concerns are not addressed IMO it will just get worse. If Ukraine didn't volunteer to be America's
battering ram, then it could have been avoided. But it's their circus, and their clown.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

So keep pushing for more weapons for Ukraine to teach the Russians a lesson if you think that's a good tactic.
If those concerns are not addressed IMO it will just get worse. If Ukraine didn't volunteer to be America's
battering ram, then it could have been avoided. But it's their circus, and their clown.

Ah good old victim blaming. Have you considered that you might be just as brainwashed as N.Koreans are?

 

[Snowygerry]

Estimated by who? And what it has to do with your original goal post that Russian army doesn't even try to kick them out of Donbass?

Estimated by me

They didn't. They left it to the separatists and they proved woefully inadequate, now actual RF units are repositioning to give it a go.

We'll see soon enough how that goes.

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: This thread appears to have now become the lesser cousin of the Ukraine war thread. We don't need two threads for that. Thread closed.