Nero04: Skipping some levels? It's training day
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Hawk Chieftain
Prince
Commando- Have you played your turnset yet? I hope you can play it soon, so that I can play mine before Christmas.
One thing you could do to prevent Copenhagen & Odense from flipping is to change them from Barracks to Temples, Markets or Courthouses. We might need Barracks in those cities for units to recover if the war lasts a while. But I think we need the culture in those cities more.
Once we capture Trondheim back, you should probably raze Stockholm, then found another city on your ring. But don't found a city there until you have captured Reykjavik. That way, the odds of the new city flipping will reduce.
One thing you could do to prevent Copenhagen & Odense from flipping is to change them from Barracks to Temples, Markets or Courthouses. We might need Barracks in those cities for units to recover if the war lasts a while. But I think we need the culture in those cities more.
Once we capture Trondheim back, you should probably raze Stockholm, then found another city on your ring. But don't found a city there until you have captured Reykjavik. That way, the odds of the new city flipping will reduce.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I plan to play late this evening or Thursday.Hawk Chieftain said:
Capturing Tronheim will help in the flipping also. It has a big culture factor and if it goes a lot of the Viking culture goes with it. After that, the biggest worry is Viking resistance in our cities, at least in Odense and Copenhagen.
Did Reykjavik become the new Viking capital? You are right, Stockholm has to go, but not right away. If we can get a Great Leader Stockholm is a keeper since it can grow to 12 on its own because of the river next to it. But without a leader, well, its days are numbered.
Hawk Chieftain
Prince
Commando- I thought you were going to play your turn set before Christmas.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Yes, I thought so too.
I am also in Succession Game of the Month 9 (the current one) and it was my turn. I made some stupid goofs the last turns I played so I was very careful, perhaps too careful, on these turns. To play 10 turns took over 18 game hours! Real time was close to two days. And an upset wife. So I backed off of this one, but only for a short time.
I am also in Succession Game of the Month 9 (the current one) and it was my turn. I made some stupid goofs the last turns I played so I was very careful, perhaps too careful, on these turns. To play 10 turns took over 18 game hours! Real time was close to two days. And an upset wife. So I backed off of this one, but only for a short time.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I plan to play this evening.nerovats said:C-Bob, are you gona play?
Remeber if you gona buy flowers to make up with the wife, never buy rozes
I didn't buy her flowers; I got her 'Seafarers of Catan' and the 5-6 player expansion set for Christmas. And I got a good gift for our 20 year old son (a Star Wars Lego set of Slave 1, Boba Fett's spaceship). I have not played a Civ turn since then, so I have mended those fences (and I am ready to play).
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
[IBT 380 AD the Pre-flight]
Madrid library -> settler, 1 turn (lose 2 shields).
Copenhagen barracks -> worker, 2 turns, less hostile city.
Seville library -> vMace, 2 turns.
Toledo vHorse -> vMace, 2 turns.
Salamanca harbor -> rMace, 5 turns.
Stockholm barracks -> worker, city in revolt.
Vitoria rHorse -> rMace, 5 turns.
Jaen temple -> vMace, 12 turns.
Logrono harbor -> rMace, 7 turns.
Valladolid harbor -> worker, 3 turns.
Palma temple -> rMace, 35 turns.
Stockholm could flip (12% to 27%); move out all three units.
Copenhagen could flip (3% to 8%) move out vSword.
Wake workers and catapults next to Trondheim, move all, leave one worker for bait.
Wake three units near Oslo and move south onto iron, to pillage.
Wake vSword on iron near Bergen, pillage.
Now is not the time to clear jungles, takes too long.
Wake workers clearing jungle and other places, rename some workers.
Move Viking4 and Viking5 from clearing jungle due north of Copenhagen East one to make road to connect to Teruel. They will need help.
WorkerZaragoza, wake from mine work, move south towards Almeria to help another worked build a jungle road.
Workers SE of Copenhagen clearing jungle move north to assist Viking4 and 5.
Begin researching Gunpowder, 27 turns; Chivalry is an optional tech that we can buy, if needed.
With the science slide at 30%, we learn gunpowder in 27 turns and -22gpt, which will bankrupt us 17 turns.
At 20%, we learn gunpowder in 39 turns and -4 gpt.
At 10%, we learn gunpowder in 40 turns and +13 gpt.
Learn at 10%.
Science: Gunpowder 40 turns
Treasury: 367 gold, +13 gpt; 5.1.4
Hit Enter.
Viking land an archer near Salamanca.
Spear in Trondheim does not take our lone, undefended worker next to the city. Drat!
Stockholm does not flip.
1 390 AD
WorkerToToledo and Worker02, 03 and 04 join Viking4 and 5.
Viking4 and 5 begin jungle road to Teruel.
WorkerCordoba heads to Valladolid to improve tiles that Valladolid is working.
rMace near Cordoba, SE.
rMace vs. rArcher, we win flawlessly and promote to veteran (1 for 1).
WorkerZaragoza move SE to help WorkerAlmeria with jungle road to Almeria.
rSword pillages iron at Oslo.
Do not attack Trondheim; move up eSword to go leader fishing next turn. Leave the worker bait in place.
Move wounded units near Bergen out to heal, pillage the BG, not worried about counter attack from Bergen.
Near Oslo, move wounded vHorse towards Odense to heal.
AnotherSettlerFromMadrid heads to Santander/Odense.
Trading
[IBT]
Order restored in Stockholm.
Zulus are building Leonardo's Workshop.
2 400 AD
Stockholm is now stable, but one person starved. It is currently making a worker, due in 9, but with zero growth. Change to settler; allows time to change our minds on this city.
Stockholm, worker -> settler, 29 turns.
Move four swords adjacent to Reykjavik.
Second Battle of Trondheim
eSword (4/5) vs. rSpear in Trondheim; wins, now at 3/5 (2 for 2).
rSword (3/3) vs. rSpear in Trondheim; wins flawlessly (3 for 3) and we have retaken the Great Library. Two resistors in Trondheim.
Move rSword into Trondheim to quell resistors.
WorkerToToledo, 02 and 03 help Viking4 and 5 on jungle road. Will finish in two turns.
Worker04 moves north to join Worker01, 07 and SecondEnglishWorker on their jungle road. They begin building this turn; Worker04 will begin building next turn.
Worker15, that was SE of Teruel, joins the above jungle road team, will add his help next turn.
Worker16, NW of Jaen, moves to Vitoria, to improve tiles near that more productive city.
vMace from Murcia heads to Vitoria.
WorkerCordoba moves to forest SW of Valladolid to make road.
vMace from Seville heads to Pamplona.
vMace from Toledo heads south.
Worker08 and 09 move into jungle 2 SE of Teruel to make jungle road. Will take 9 Worker Turns, which means a wasted WT here.
WorkerZaragoza helps WorkerAlmeria on jungle road, finishes in four turns.
Move five catapults NW of Trondheim east towards Oslo. Wake rArcher in Odense and give him catapult guard duty.
Move Worker05 and 06 south to jungle 2 SE of Copenhagen to build jungle road.
Move Viking8, (new worker from Copenhagen) to help Worker05 and 06.
Worker that was Viking bait, Worker14, moves north to join Worker05, 06 and Viking8.
Worker12 moves north one and joins them. This tile now has 4 workers and one slave, which will produce 4.5 Worker Turns and complete this jungle road in two full turns.
Viking6 and 7 move to grassland south of Trondheim to make road to England.
Trading
Vikings will talk peace, but we are not interested.
[IBT]
Vikings want to talk. We listen. Vikings want peace. We laugh.
One resistor quelled in Trondheim.
Almeria is cranky and shuts down.
3 410 AD
Buy a clown in Almeria until the roads and luxuries are connected to this city.
Move both units out of Trondheim in case it flips (5% to 10%).
Move rArcher and catapults SE and adjacent to Oslo.
Workers05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking8 begin their jungle road.
Worker04 and 15 add their WT to the jungle road began last turn by Worker01, 07 and SecondEnglishWorker. Need 9 WT, have 2.5 WT, will add 4.5 WT this turn, leaving only 2 WT needed next turn.
Worker16 begins to mine SE of Vitoria.
Worker17, new from Valladolid, was accidentally sent to connect all resources. Has been stopped.
WorkerCordoba begins forest road.
Worker08 and 09 begin their jungle road.
Worker11 and Viking1, 2 and 3 chop wood that will go to Stavanger Temple. Will take four turns (2.5 WT per turn).
Let 2 swords heal 3 North of Bergen.
Move redlined vSword north, now 2 North of Bergen.
vSword pillages 2nd BG near Bergen.
Elite sword heals.
Viking6 and 7 begin road.
vMace south of Odense move SE towards Oslo.
Move Worker10 and 18 to join Workers 08 and 09 on jungle road.
Worker19, near Valencia, moves to connect Almeria by road on the north side.
Move 2 rSwords, NE of Trondheim to be W of Trondheim. Can move to Reykjavik or Trondheim as needed.
Battle of Reykjavik
vSword vs. rSpear, we lose, spear promotes (I think) and is yellowed (3 of 4).
vSword vs. rSpear, we lose, spear at 2/3 (3 of 5).
rSword vs. rSpear (2/3), we lose and spear promotes (3 of 6).
vSword (3/4) retreats to Spanish land to heal and get reinforcements.
Did not move catapults up; that was wrong.
2 vSpears in Reykjavik.
Trading
Persians, Ottomans and English have all learned Education.
We learn Education and the Great Library becomes a tourist trap.
Order restored in Almeria.
[IBT]
4 420 AD
Worker18 and 10 help 08 and 09.
Three catapults and one vSword move NE to Reykjavik.
Two rSwords from Trondheim move W to Reykjavik.
Elite sword heals.
Wounded survivor of Reykjavik reaches Spanish soil.
Worker12 and 13 move to BG west of Trondheim to mine and road.
Move vMace south to join the Oslo catapults.
Shuffle swords around Bergen; rSword heads back to battle.
Move luxuries from 40% to 50%; -17 gpt.
Jaen still has some unhappy campers. Buy a clown; now the happy and unhappy are equal.
Buy a geek in Murcia for the same reason.
Battle of Oslo
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult destroys the Temple of Oslo.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Trading
[IBT]
Ivory City aqueduct -> rMace, 4 turns.
Persia, England, Vikings and Ottomans learn Chivalry.
5 430 AD
vSword move adjacent to Reykjavik, catapults need a road in the jungle.
vSword heals NW of Stockholm.
Worker12 and 13 mine BG west of Trondheim.
Two rSwords move west to be NE of Reykjavik.
Move vMace towards Oslo, ends turn on mountain N and NW of Oslo.
Worker17 helps WorkerCordoba build forest road.
vHorse (3/4) move to catapults near Oslo.
eSword moves west.
Move Worker05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking 8 (4.5WT) to roaded BG 2 NW of Trondheim. This group will build a jungle road to Reykjavik.
Worker19 begins mine on BG north of Almeria.
Auto move Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker (4.5WT) to jungle SW and W of Copenhagen, to begin jungle road to Bergen.
Move Worker02, 03, WorkerToToledo, Viking4 and 5 (4.0WT) to jungle SW of Copenhagen. Will probably help road to Reykjavik.
Worker20 finishes mining the hill north and northeast of Seville, moves southwest and will help improve Barcelona.
Battle of Oslo
no action
Trading
Sell Education to the Zulus for 78 gold (all) and WM. If we wait, someone else may sell or give it to them. Could also sell to Arabs for 2 gold, but will wait.
save for the evening.
[IBT]
English are building the Sistine Chapel.
Zulus got Chivalry from someone.
Madrid library -> settler, 1 turn (lose 2 shields).
Copenhagen barracks -> worker, 2 turns, less hostile city.
Seville library -> vMace, 2 turns.
Toledo vHorse -> vMace, 2 turns.
Salamanca harbor -> rMace, 5 turns.
Stockholm barracks -> worker, city in revolt.
Vitoria rHorse -> rMace, 5 turns.
Jaen temple -> vMace, 12 turns.
Logrono harbor -> rMace, 7 turns.
Valladolid harbor -> worker, 3 turns.
Palma temple -> rMace, 35 turns.
Stockholm could flip (12% to 27%); move out all three units.
Copenhagen could flip (3% to 8%) move out vSword.
Wake workers and catapults next to Trondheim, move all, leave one worker for bait.
Wake three units near Oslo and move south onto iron, to pillage.
Wake vSword on iron near Bergen, pillage.
Now is not the time to clear jungles, takes too long.
Wake workers clearing jungle and other places, rename some workers.
Move Viking4 and Viking5 from clearing jungle due north of Copenhagen East one to make road to connect to Teruel. They will need help.
WorkerZaragoza, wake from mine work, move south towards Almeria to help another worked build a jungle road.
Workers SE of Copenhagen clearing jungle move north to assist Viking4 and 5.
Begin researching Gunpowder, 27 turns; Chivalry is an optional tech that we can buy, if needed.
With the science slide at 30%, we learn gunpowder in 27 turns and -22gpt, which will bankrupt us 17 turns.
At 20%, we learn gunpowder in 39 turns and -4 gpt.
At 10%, we learn gunpowder in 40 turns and +13 gpt.
Learn at 10%.
Science: Gunpowder 40 turns
Treasury: 367 gold, +13 gpt; 5.1.4
Hit Enter.
Viking land an archer near Salamanca.
Spear in Trondheim does not take our lone, undefended worker next to the city. Drat!
Stockholm does not flip.
1 390 AD
WorkerToToledo and Worker02, 03 and 04 join Viking4 and 5.
Viking4 and 5 begin jungle road to Teruel.
WorkerCordoba heads to Valladolid to improve tiles that Valladolid is working.
rMace near Cordoba, SE.
rMace vs. rArcher, we win flawlessly and promote to veteran (1 for 1).
WorkerZaragoza move SE to help WorkerAlmeria with jungle road to Almeria.
rSword pillages iron at Oslo.
Do not attack Trondheim; move up eSword to go leader fishing next turn. Leave the worker bait in place.
Move wounded units near Bergen out to heal, pillage the BG, not worried about counter attack from Bergen.
Near Oslo, move wounded vHorse towards Odense to heal.
AnotherSettlerFromMadrid heads to Santander/Odense.
Trading
[IBT]
Order restored in Stockholm.
Zulus are building Leonardo's Workshop.
2 400 AD
Stockholm is now stable, but one person starved. It is currently making a worker, due in 9, but with zero growth. Change to settler; allows time to change our minds on this city.
Stockholm, worker -> settler, 29 turns.
Move four swords adjacent to Reykjavik.
Second Battle of Trondheim
eSword (4/5) vs. rSpear in Trondheim; wins, now at 3/5 (2 for 2).
rSword (3/3) vs. rSpear in Trondheim; wins flawlessly (3 for 3) and we have retaken the Great Library. Two resistors in Trondheim.
Move rSword into Trondheim to quell resistors.
WorkerToToledo, 02 and 03 help Viking4 and 5 on jungle road. Will finish in two turns.
Worker04 moves north to join Worker01, 07 and SecondEnglishWorker on their jungle road. They begin building this turn; Worker04 will begin building next turn.
Worker15, that was SE of Teruel, joins the above jungle road team, will add his help next turn.
Worker16, NW of Jaen, moves to Vitoria, to improve tiles near that more productive city.
vMace from Murcia heads to Vitoria.
WorkerCordoba moves to forest SW of Valladolid to make road.
vMace from Seville heads to Pamplona.
vMace from Toledo heads south.
Worker08 and 09 move into jungle 2 SE of Teruel to make jungle road. Will take 9 Worker Turns, which means a wasted WT here.
WorkerZaragoza helps WorkerAlmeria on jungle road, finishes in four turns.
Move five catapults NW of Trondheim east towards Oslo. Wake rArcher in Odense and give him catapult guard duty.
Move Worker05 and 06 south to jungle 2 SE of Copenhagen to build jungle road.
Move Viking8, (new worker from Copenhagen) to help Worker05 and 06.
Worker that was Viking bait, Worker14, moves north to join Worker05, 06 and Viking8.
Worker12 moves north one and joins them. This tile now has 4 workers and one slave, which will produce 4.5 Worker Turns and complete this jungle road in two full turns.
Viking6 and 7 move to grassland south of Trondheim to make road to England.
Trading
Vikings will talk peace, but we are not interested.
[IBT]
Vikings want to talk. We listen. Vikings want peace. We laugh.
One resistor quelled in Trondheim.
Almeria is cranky and shuts down.
3 410 AD
Buy a clown in Almeria until the roads and luxuries are connected to this city.
Move both units out of Trondheim in case it flips (5% to 10%).
Move rArcher and catapults SE and adjacent to Oslo.
Workers05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking8 begin their jungle road.
Worker04 and 15 add their WT to the jungle road began last turn by Worker01, 07 and SecondEnglishWorker. Need 9 WT, have 2.5 WT, will add 4.5 WT this turn, leaving only 2 WT needed next turn.
Worker16 begins to mine SE of Vitoria.
Worker17, new from Valladolid, was accidentally sent to connect all resources. Has been stopped.
WorkerCordoba begins forest road.
Worker08 and 09 begin their jungle road.
Worker11 and Viking1, 2 and 3 chop wood that will go to Stavanger Temple. Will take four turns (2.5 WT per turn).
Let 2 swords heal 3 North of Bergen.
Move redlined vSword north, now 2 North of Bergen.
vSword pillages 2nd BG near Bergen.
Elite sword heals.
Viking6 and 7 begin road.
vMace south of Odense move SE towards Oslo.
Move Worker10 and 18 to join Workers 08 and 09 on jungle road.
Worker19, near Valencia, moves to connect Almeria by road on the north side.
Move 2 rSwords, NE of Trondheim to be W of Trondheim. Can move to Reykjavik or Trondheim as needed.
Battle of Reykjavik
vSword vs. rSpear, we lose, spear promotes (I think) and is yellowed (3 of 4).
vSword vs. rSpear, we lose, spear at 2/3 (3 of 5).
rSword vs. rSpear (2/3), we lose and spear promotes (3 of 6).
vSword (3/4) retreats to Spanish land to heal and get reinforcements.
Did not move catapults up; that was wrong.
2 vSpears in Reykjavik.
Trading
Persians, Ottomans and English have all learned Education.
Order restored in Almeria.
[IBT]
4 420 AD
Worker18 and 10 help 08 and 09.
Three catapults and one vSword move NE to Reykjavik.
Two rSwords from Trondheim move W to Reykjavik.
Elite sword heals.
Wounded survivor of Reykjavik reaches Spanish soil.
Worker12 and 13 move to BG west of Trondheim to mine and road.
Move vMace south to join the Oslo catapults.
Shuffle swords around Bergen; rSword heads back to battle.
Move luxuries from 40% to 50%; -17 gpt.
Jaen still has some unhappy campers. Buy a clown; now the happy and unhappy are equal.
Buy a geek in Murcia for the same reason.
Battle of Oslo
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult destroys the Temple of Oslo.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Trading
[IBT]
Ivory City aqueduct -> rMace, 4 turns.
Persia, England, Vikings and Ottomans learn Chivalry.
5 430 AD
vSword move adjacent to Reykjavik, catapults need a road in the jungle.
vSword heals NW of Stockholm.
Worker12 and 13 mine BG west of Trondheim.
Two rSwords move west to be NE of Reykjavik.
Move vMace towards Oslo, ends turn on mountain N and NW of Oslo.
Worker17 helps WorkerCordoba build forest road.
vHorse (3/4) move to catapults near Oslo.
eSword moves west.
Move Worker05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking 8 (4.5WT) to roaded BG 2 NW of Trondheim. This group will build a jungle road to Reykjavik.
Worker19 begins mine on BG north of Almeria.
Auto move Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker (4.5WT) to jungle SW and W of Copenhagen, to begin jungle road to Bergen.
Move Worker02, 03, WorkerToToledo, Viking4 and 5 (4.0WT) to jungle SW of Copenhagen. Will probably help road to Reykjavik.
Worker20 finishes mining the hill north and northeast of Seville, moves southwest and will help improve Barcelona.
Battle of Oslo
no action
Trading
Sell Education to the Zulus for 78 gold (all) and WM. If we wait, someone else may sell or give it to them. Could also sell to Arabs for 2 gold, but will wait.
[IBT]
English are building the Sistine Chapel.
Zulus got Chivalry from someone.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
6 440 AD
vSword, now fully, heads NW to Reykjavik.
eSword heads east into Viking territory, heading for Reykjavik.
Viking6 and 7 finish road south of Trondheim and move to connect Stockholm.
Move Worker05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking 8 (4.5WT) southwest to roaded BG in Viking territory. This group will build a jungle road to Reykjavik.
Move a vMace to them, as it heads for battle.
These are joined by another vMace and an rMace, also heading to Reykjavik.
Station a vMace close to Trondheim, in case of flip.
Near Bergen, move vSword south and let vSword heal. May attack next turn with 4 swords to take out ePike.
At Reykjavik, both rSword stay put.
Move vMace to hill north of Oslo, will attack next turn.
Other units stay put around Oslo.
Move Worker08, 09 and 10 west to mined BG south of Teruel to make road next turn.
Worker21 finishes road in the gold mountain between Jaen and Murcia. Move to assist Worker16 near Vitoria.
vMace from Seville heads to the fighting.
WorkerZaragoza and WorkerAlmeria move to grassland north of Almeria to help Worker19. One will build road, one will help mine.
Buy a clown in Santander since it had 2 happy and 4 unhappy people. Grow slows from 20 turns to zero growth, does not affect temple completion in 4 turns.
Move Worker22, near Palma, and Worker18 towards core to improve tiles.
Move Viking4 and 5 (1WT) to grassland southwest of Copenhagen to mine.
Will move of Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker (4.5WT) one tile westward next turn.
Move Worker02, 03 and WorkerToToledo (3WT) to the tile that Worker01 is in.
Both jungle road tiles will be done in three turns.
Trading
Could trade Education to the Arabs and Babs for a total of 15 gold. No.
[IBT]
We build 3 maces and 1 worker.
Valladolid worker -> rMace, 14 turns.
7 450 AD
vSword and eSword join vSword SE of Reykjavik.
Workers and maces move southwest across river; workers to make jungle road; maces to help attack Reykjavik.
Workers02, 03 and WorkerToToledo (3WT) begin jungle road.
Move Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker (4.5WT) one tile east into jungle. Will begin road next turn.
Worker11 moves southwest to begin jungle road to Bergen from Stavanger.
Viking1, 2 and 3 (1.5WT) mine the new grassland, will be done in 4 turns.
Worker21 helps Worker16 finish a mine.
Worker20 moves onto forest to help FirstEnglishWorker with road.
Worker23, new in Valladolid, moves to unroaded forest northwest of Barcelona. Worker17 and WorkerCordoba join.
Worker08, 09 and 10 start and finish road in mined BG south of Teruel.
Viking 6 and 7 (1WT) begin road to connect Stockholm in flood plain.
WorkerZaragoza helps Worker19 with mine.
WorkerAlmeria builds road.
Worker18 and 22 move into forest north of Pamplona, being used by Toledo, to make road.
Battle of Oslo
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
vMace vs. vPike, Maces is redlined but wins (4 of 7).
vMace vs. rSpear, mace loses (4 of 8). Berserk now defending.
vSword vs. rBerserk, sword wins (2/4) (5 of 9).
rArcher vs. rSpear (2/3), archer dies, spear promotes (5 of 10).
Battle of Bergen
rSword vs. ePike, sword dies, ePike at 3/5, vPike now defending (5 of 11).
vSword vs. vPike, sword dies, vPike at 2/4, ePike now defending (5 of 12).
vSword vs. ePike (3/5), pike dies, vSword at 2/4, vBerserk now defends. (6 of 13).
Move rSword from hill to defend wounded vSword. Hope to prevent Berserker victory.
If attacked vBerserk with rSword might win 3 vs. 2. Now, if attacked, will be 6 vs. 2.
Trading
MM
In Stockholm, citizen became content when worked, not unhappy. Put to work on roaded flood plain, city grows in 5 turns.
Murcia, put geek to work on roaded plain southeast of forest. Three happy, three unhappy, city grows in 15 turns.
[IBT]
Berserk attacks vSword outside Bergen and wins. I think the Viking Golden Age has just begun.
8 460 AD
Worker05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking8 (4.5WT) begin jungle road to Reykjavik.
Move maces next to Reykjavik. Eight units now surround that city.
Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker (4.5WT) begin jungle road to Bergen from Copenhagen.
Worker11 begins jungle road to Bergen from Stavanger.
Fully healed vSword moves south towards Bergen.
Wounded vSword stays in place and fortifies. Will keep Bergen focused here and not on workers making jungle road.
Worker16 and 21 (2WT) build road in newly mined plain.
Worker17, 23 and WorkerCordoba (3WT) begin forest road northwest of Barcelona.
Worker20 helps FirstEnglishWorker on the forest road between Barcelona and Toledo.
Worker18 and 22 (2WT) begin forest road in forest north of Pamplona.
vMace near Odense moves east onto hill with redlined vMace north of Oslo.
Move Worker08, 09 and 10 2 northeast to mine grassland due west of Teruel.
Units around Oslo are quiet.
Trading
[IBT]
Trondheim flips, no great surprise. vMace is two tiles away, my bad.
Stavanger temple -> rMace, 40 turns.
9 470 AD
Battle of Reykjavik
vSword vs. vSpear, sword dies, spear redlined (6 of 14), vSpear defends.
vSword vs. vSpear, sword wins flawlessly (7 of 15), rSpear defends.
rMace vs. rSpear, mace wins flawlessly (8 of 16) vSpear 1/4 defends.
eSword vs. vSpear 1/4, wins and Reykjavik is Spanish (9 of 17). Four resistors, set city to make worker in 10.
No Great Leader.
Move vSword towards Bergen.
Move rMace on jungle road from Copenhagen towards Bergen.
Move vMace towards Trondheim, will attack next turn.
Battle of Oslo
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult hits, vSpear at 3/4.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
vMace vs. vSpear 3/4, mace loses, vSpear at 2/4 (10 of 18).
vSword 2/4 vs. vSpear 2/4, sword dies (10 of 19), spear promotes 2/5. Oslo on a hill.
Will need more units to take Oslo.
Wounded vMace moves into grassland to deny it to Oslo.
WorkerZaragoza finishes road.
Worker19 and WorkerAlmeria move west to wheat to mine and road.
Worker12 and 13 finish mining grassland and begin road, adjacent to Trondheim, as bait for rSpear in the city.
Move non engaged units from Reykjavik towards Bergen. No roads, will take four turns.
Move 2 rSword and 2 vMace northwest, jungle to jungle.
Move one of the three catapults that are 2 SE of Reykjavik one east, hill to hill.
Trading
[IBT]
Berserk in Bergen attacks and kills wounded vSword.
Santander temple -> vMace, 20 turns.
10 480 AD
Third Battle of Trondheim
vMace vs. rSpear, mace wins, redlined, (11 of 20) rSpear defends Trondheim.
Move rMace onto hill SE of Bergen.
vSword vs. vBerserk, sword wins 2/4, (12 of 21). Bergen defended by vPike.
Worker17, 23 and WorkerCordoba (3WT) move south, forest to forest, to build forest road.
Worker19 and WorkerAlmeria mine the grassland they are on.
WorkerZaragoza moves onto same tile to begin road.
Viking6 and 7 (1WT) irrigate the flood plain they are in, NE of Stockholm.
Battle of Oslo
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult hits eSpear, now 3/5.
Move 2 vSwords and 2 vMaces northwest, two turns from the hill SE of Bergen.
Move Worker05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking8 (4.5WT) to forest NE of Reykjavik; will build road next turn.
Move vMace towards Bergen on Copenhagen jungle road.
Move Worker02, 03 and WorkerToToledo (3WT) one southeast to grassland dye and mine.
Move Worker16 and 21 (2WT) 3 NE to unimproved plains, to irrigate and road.
Move Worker08, 09 and 10 (3WT) 1 N to roaded grassland to mine.
vSword, SE of Reykjavik, east towards Trondheim, no roads to follow, from jungle into hill.
eSword, looking for a Great Leader, east into forest.
rMace, northeast of Reykjavik, stays put, in case of flip.
vMace pillages improvements in roaded, irrigated grassland east of Oslo.
Would like to move Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker west onto hill near Bergen. But that is defended by an rMace, which is not the best defensive unit. If attacked, it would lose.
Instead, move these workers onto the mountain. To road a mountain takes as many worker turns as to road a jungle, so in two turns it could be roaded. This gets these workers out of the way for the next round of the battle of Bergen.
Worker20 and FirstEnglishWorker (1.5WT) move north to build a mine in the hills between Madrid and Salamanca. They get as far as Madrid.
Trading
[IBT]
End of Turnset Sixteen Stats:
Science: Gunpowder 30 turns
Treasury: 358 gold, -22 gpt; 4.1.5
Trade: -
Cities:
Barracks built in:
Barcelona
Seville
Toledo
Santander
Jaen
Murcia
Barracks being built in:
Odense
Teruel
Current Builds:
And the save is >here<.
vSword, now fully, heads NW to Reykjavik.
eSword heads east into Viking territory, heading for Reykjavik.
Viking6 and 7 finish road south of Trondheim and move to connect Stockholm.
Move Worker05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking 8 (4.5WT) southwest to roaded BG in Viking territory. This group will build a jungle road to Reykjavik.
Move a vMace to them, as it heads for battle.
These are joined by another vMace and an rMace, also heading to Reykjavik.
Station a vMace close to Trondheim, in case of flip.
Near Bergen, move vSword south and let vSword heal. May attack next turn with 4 swords to take out ePike.
At Reykjavik, both rSword stay put.
Move vMace to hill north of Oslo, will attack next turn.
Other units stay put around Oslo.
Move Worker08, 09 and 10 west to mined BG south of Teruel to make road next turn.
Worker21 finishes road in the gold mountain between Jaen and Murcia. Move to assist Worker16 near Vitoria.
vMace from Seville heads to the fighting.
WorkerZaragoza and WorkerAlmeria move to grassland north of Almeria to help Worker19. One will build road, one will help mine.
Buy a clown in Santander since it had 2 happy and 4 unhappy people. Grow slows from 20 turns to zero growth, does not affect temple completion in 4 turns.
Move Worker22, near Palma, and Worker18 towards core to improve tiles.
Move Viking4 and 5 (1WT) to grassland southwest of Copenhagen to mine.
Will move of Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker (4.5WT) one tile westward next turn.
Move Worker02, 03 and WorkerToToledo (3WT) to the tile that Worker01 is in.
Both jungle road tiles will be done in three turns.
Trading
Could trade Education to the Arabs and Babs for a total of 15 gold. No.
[IBT]
We build 3 maces and 1 worker.
Valladolid worker -> rMace, 14 turns.
7 450 AD
vSword and eSword join vSword SE of Reykjavik.
Workers and maces move southwest across river; workers to make jungle road; maces to help attack Reykjavik.
Workers02, 03 and WorkerToToledo (3WT) begin jungle road.
Move Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker (4.5WT) one tile east into jungle. Will begin road next turn.
Worker11 moves southwest to begin jungle road to Bergen from Stavanger.
Viking1, 2 and 3 (1.5WT) mine the new grassland, will be done in 4 turns.
Worker21 helps Worker16 finish a mine.
Worker20 moves onto forest to help FirstEnglishWorker with road.
Worker23, new in Valladolid, moves to unroaded forest northwest of Barcelona. Worker17 and WorkerCordoba join.
Worker08, 09 and 10 start and finish road in mined BG south of Teruel.
Viking 6 and 7 (1WT) begin road to connect Stockholm in flood plain.
WorkerZaragoza helps Worker19 with mine.
WorkerAlmeria builds road.
Worker18 and 22 move into forest north of Pamplona, being used by Toledo, to make road.
Battle of Oslo
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
vMace vs. vPike, Maces is redlined but wins (4 of 7).
vMace vs. rSpear, mace loses (4 of 8). Berserk now defending.
vSword vs. rBerserk, sword wins (2/4) (5 of 9).
rArcher vs. rSpear (2/3), archer dies, spear promotes (5 of 10).
Battle of Bergen
rSword vs. ePike, sword dies, ePike at 3/5, vPike now defending (5 of 11).
vSword vs. vPike, sword dies, vPike at 2/4, ePike now defending (5 of 12).
vSword vs. ePike (3/5), pike dies, vSword at 2/4, vBerserk now defends. (6 of 13).
Move rSword from hill to defend wounded vSword. Hope to prevent Berserker victory.
If attacked vBerserk with rSword might win 3 vs. 2. Now, if attacked, will be 6 vs. 2.
Trading
MM
In Stockholm, citizen became content when worked, not unhappy. Put to work on roaded flood plain, city grows in 5 turns.
Murcia, put geek to work on roaded plain southeast of forest. Three happy, three unhappy, city grows in 15 turns.
[IBT]
Berserk attacks vSword outside Bergen and wins. I think the Viking Golden Age has just begun.
8 460 AD
Worker05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking8 (4.5WT) begin jungle road to Reykjavik.
Move maces next to Reykjavik. Eight units now surround that city.
Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker (4.5WT) begin jungle road to Bergen from Copenhagen.
Worker11 begins jungle road to Bergen from Stavanger.
Fully healed vSword moves south towards Bergen.
Wounded vSword stays in place and fortifies. Will keep Bergen focused here and not on workers making jungle road.
Worker16 and 21 (2WT) build road in newly mined plain.
Worker17, 23 and WorkerCordoba (3WT) begin forest road northwest of Barcelona.
Worker20 helps FirstEnglishWorker on the forest road between Barcelona and Toledo.
Worker18 and 22 (2WT) begin forest road in forest north of Pamplona.
vMace near Odense moves east onto hill with redlined vMace north of Oslo.
Move Worker08, 09 and 10 2 northeast to mine grassland due west of Teruel.
Units around Oslo are quiet.
Trading
[IBT]
Trondheim flips, no great surprise. vMace is two tiles away, my bad.
Stavanger temple -> rMace, 40 turns.
9 470 AD
Battle of Reykjavik
vSword vs. vSpear, sword dies, spear redlined (6 of 14), vSpear defends.
vSword vs. vSpear, sword wins flawlessly (7 of 15), rSpear defends.
rMace vs. rSpear, mace wins flawlessly (8 of 16) vSpear 1/4 defends.
eSword vs. vSpear 1/4, wins and Reykjavik is Spanish (9 of 17). Four resistors, set city to make worker in 10.
No Great Leader.
Move vSword towards Bergen.
Move rMace on jungle road from Copenhagen towards Bergen.
Move vMace towards Trondheim, will attack next turn.
Battle of Oslo
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult hits, vSpear at 3/4.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
vMace vs. vSpear 3/4, mace loses, vSpear at 2/4 (10 of 18).
vSword 2/4 vs. vSpear 2/4, sword dies (10 of 19), spear promotes 2/5. Oslo on a hill.
Will need more units to take Oslo.
Wounded vMace moves into grassland to deny it to Oslo.
WorkerZaragoza finishes road.
Worker19 and WorkerAlmeria move west to wheat to mine and road.
Worker12 and 13 finish mining grassland and begin road, adjacent to Trondheim, as bait for rSpear in the city.
Move non engaged units from Reykjavik towards Bergen. No roads, will take four turns.
Move 2 rSword and 2 vMace northwest, jungle to jungle.
Move one of the three catapults that are 2 SE of Reykjavik one east, hill to hill.
Trading
[IBT]
Berserk in Bergen attacks and kills wounded vSword.
Santander temple -> vMace, 20 turns.
10 480 AD
Third Battle of Trondheim
vMace vs. rSpear, mace wins, redlined, (11 of 20) rSpear defends Trondheim.
Move rMace onto hill SE of Bergen.
vSword vs. vBerserk, sword wins 2/4, (12 of 21). Bergen defended by vPike.
Worker17, 23 and WorkerCordoba (3WT) move south, forest to forest, to build forest road.
Worker19 and WorkerAlmeria mine the grassland they are on.
WorkerZaragoza moves onto same tile to begin road.
Viking6 and 7 (1WT) irrigate the flood plain they are in, NE of Stockholm.
Battle of Oslo
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult misses.
Catapult hits eSpear, now 3/5.
Move 2 vSwords and 2 vMaces northwest, two turns from the hill SE of Bergen.
Move Worker05, 06, 12, 14 and Viking8 (4.5WT) to forest NE of Reykjavik; will build road next turn.
Move vMace towards Bergen on Copenhagen jungle road.
Move Worker02, 03 and WorkerToToledo (3WT) one southeast to grassland dye and mine.
Move Worker16 and 21 (2WT) 3 NE to unimproved plains, to irrigate and road.
Move Worker08, 09 and 10 (3WT) 1 N to roaded grassland to mine.
vSword, SE of Reykjavik, east towards Trondheim, no roads to follow, from jungle into hill.
eSword, looking for a Great Leader, east into forest.
rMace, northeast of Reykjavik, stays put, in case of flip.
vMace pillages improvements in roaded, irrigated grassland east of Oslo.
Would like to move Worker01, 04, 07, 15 and SecondEnglishWorker west onto hill near Bergen. But that is defended by an rMace, which is not the best defensive unit. If attacked, it would lose.
Instead, move these workers onto the mountain. To road a mountain takes as many worker turns as to road a jungle, so in two turns it could be roaded. This gets these workers out of the way for the next round of the battle of Bergen.
Worker20 and FirstEnglishWorker (1.5WT) move north to build a mine in the hills between Madrid and Salamanca. They get as far as Madrid.
Trading
[IBT]
End of Turnset Sixteen Stats:
Science: Gunpowder 30 turns
Treasury: 358 gold, -22 gpt; 4.1.5
Trade: -
Cities:
- Madrid (5): grows in 2 turns, settler in 6 turns, culture expansion in 167 turns.
- Barcelona (7): grows in 8, vMace in 4 turns, 0 culture.
- Copenhagen (3): grows in 2, worker in 2, 0 culture.
- Seville (9): grows in 1, vMace in 4, 0 culture.
- Reykjavik (4): grows in 9, worker in 9, 0 culture.
- Almeria (2): grows in 9, temple in 18, 0 culture.
- Toledo (7): grows in 3, vMace in 2, 0 culture.
- Ivory City (7): zero growth, rMace in 3, 0 culture.
- Salamanca (5): zero growth, rMace in 7, 0 culture.
- Stockholm (1): grows in 4, settler in 21, 0 culture.
- Murcia (6): grows in 12, vMace in 2, 0 culture.
- Valencia (4): zero growth, harbor in 13, 0 culture.
- Zaragoza (3): grows in 1, library in 28, culture expansion in 39 turns.
- Pamplona (2): grows in 10, worker in 1, 0 culture.
- Vitoria (6): grows in 5, rMace in 5, culture expansion in 14 turns.
- Stavanger (2): grows in 3, rMace in 39, culture expansion in 3 turns.
- Santander (6): zero growth, vMace in 20, culture expansion in 4 turns.
- Jaen (6): grows in 1, vMace in 6, 0 culture.
- Odense (4): zero growth, barracks in 28, 0 culture.
- Logrono (6): zero growth, rMace in 6, 0 culture.
- Valladoid (1): grows in 13, rMace in 11, 0 culture.
- Palma (2): grows in 5, rMace in 25, 0 culture.
- Cordoba (2): grows in 6, temple in 6, 0 culture.
- Teruel (4): grows in 5, barracks in 25, 0 culture.
- 24 cities
- 02 Archers, 00 in production
- 12 Swordsman, 00 in production
- 08 Catapults, 00 in production
- 03 Horseman, 00 in production
- 01 Pikeman, 00 in production
- 16 Medieval Infantry, 13 in production
- 01 Spearman, 00 in production
- 28 Workers, 03 in production
- 06 Settlers, 02 in production
- 10 Slaves (?)
Barracks built in:
Barcelona
Seville
Toledo
Santander
Jaen
Murcia
Barracks being built in:
Odense
Teruel
Current Builds:
- MI - 13 (Barcelona, Seville, Toledo, Ivory City, Salamanca, Murcia, Vitoria, Stavanger, Santander, Jaen, Logrono, Valladoid and Palma)
- Worker - 3 (Copenhagen, Reykjavik, and Pamplona)
- Barracks - 2 (Odense and Teruel)
- Library - 1 (Zaragoza)
- Temple - 2 (Almeria and Cordoba)
- Harbor - 1 (Valencia)
- Settler - 2 (Madrid and Stockholm)
And the save is >here<.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Some things went well in these ten turns. We captured Trondheim and Reykjavik.
Some things did not go so well. Trondheim flipped back, the Great Library expired, Bergen and Oslo did not fall, and the Vikings are in their Golden Age.
Did I mention we are losing money? And our only elite unit has not generated a Great Leader yet?
These need to be priorities in the next turnset:
Battle Plans
While my battles did not go well (12 victories in 21 attacks) we still have the military edge, even considering the Viking Berserk. We have 12 swords and 16 maces, with 13 more maces in production. The trick is get them together to do the most good.
We have to be aware of the Berserk, but maybe not for long. The Viking built two Berserks that we know of, in Bergen and Oslo, and both are dead. These units cost 70 gold each. The Vikings have 26 gold in treasury now, thanks to their Golden Age, which began in 450 AD and ends in 650 AD. They might be able to rush a Berserk before we take Bergen and Trondheim, but could not rush two.
The biggest worry with the Berserk is its Amphibious Assault that could pose a problem for our coastal cities. If any more are built, I expect them to be involved in the land battles, not the sea battles or coastal raiding. However, it would still be prudent to keep defenders in our coastal cities.
In the maps below are plans for how to capture Bergen and Trondheim.
Bergen Battle Plans 480 AD
Bergen is cut off from iron, so after this Pikeman is gone, the best defender they could have would be a Berserk or a spear. The most likely defender will be a spear.
On the first turn, the mace on the hill southeast of the city moves to the mined grassland. Another mace will arrive from the east this turn. Two more maces and two swords will approach from the south, and will be at the hill in two turns. The first mace, on its second turn, we need to pillage the mined grassland. If we had forces coming in from the north (we did, but they are dead now), we could spread them out to deny the BG tiles north of Bergen. On the third turn we should be able to begin the final assault of Bergen.
Trondheim Battle Plans 480 AD
When we recapture Trondheim, we free up a lot of tiles for rapid movement. Our forces here are not quite as strong as those attacking Bergen, but the defenders are weaker; just spears.
In two turns we will have catapults, swords and maces just outside the city. We will begin with catapults, and then try to get a Great Leader with our elite sword.
Oslo Battle Plans 480 AD
This is a delaying action while we clean up the rest of the map. Our units are weak, but after Bergen and Trondheim are taken, those units can quickly head east and concentrate on Oslo. Until then, just keep hitting at it with catapults, and hope for the best.
Oslo in on a hill, which is sometimes hard to tell.
Roads
We now have a road through the jungle north of Copenhagen to the Spanish core. This means that new units from Barcelona and Murcia do not have to go through Odense to fight Vikings. Head to Copenhagen and turn left or right as needed.
We almost have roads to connect Bergen and Reykjavik. The latter will be connected in two turns, the road to Bergen a little bit longer. We have workers in place that could connect to Bergen in two turns. They would be guarded by one mace, which is not enough to handle a sneak attack from Bergen. Two maces would be fine, but not one. So I moved these workers to the mountain east of Bergen, where they can make a mountain road as quick as a jungle road. Once that is done, they can move to the hill and begin to road that also.
As a general rule, it is better to have a group of workers complete something fast, that can be used/worked by a city or units, instead of having many workers all working on something different. We have jungle roads because the workers were combined into work groups that could build a jungle road in two turns. The other way would have taken nine turns, if one worker worked on each tile of the road.
We need roads for communicated and movement. After we take care of the Vikings, we need to focus on England. She has a better economy than the Vikings and will have knights. England has 14 cities, second only to Spain in city count. We will need roads up to the English border and some improvement near our cities. Clearing jungles can wait. That takes 24 worker turns to clear one tile. It only takes 6 turns to build a mine in plains or grassland.
Some things did not go so well. Trondheim flipped back, the Great Library expired, Bergen and Oslo did not fall, and the Vikings are in their Golden Age.
Did I mention we are losing money? And our only elite unit has not generated a Great Leader yet?
These need to be priorities in the next turnset:
- Keep making military units.
- Capture of Bergen and Trondheim, and maybe Oslo.
Battle Plans
While my battles did not go well (12 victories in 21 attacks) we still have the military edge, even considering the Viking Berserk. We have 12 swords and 16 maces, with 13 more maces in production. The trick is get them together to do the most good.
We have to be aware of the Berserk, but maybe not for long. The Viking built two Berserks that we know of, in Bergen and Oslo, and both are dead. These units cost 70 gold each. The Vikings have 26 gold in treasury now, thanks to their Golden Age, which began in 450 AD and ends in 650 AD. They might be able to rush a Berserk before we take Bergen and Trondheim, but could not rush two.
The biggest worry with the Berserk is its Amphibious Assault that could pose a problem for our coastal cities. If any more are built, I expect them to be involved in the land battles, not the sea battles or coastal raiding. However, it would still be prudent to keep defenders in our coastal cities.
In the maps below are plans for how to capture Bergen and Trondheim.
Bergen Battle Plans 480 AD
Bergen is cut off from iron, so after this Pikeman is gone, the best defender they could have would be a Berserk or a spear. The most likely defender will be a spear.
On the first turn, the mace on the hill southeast of the city moves to the mined grassland. Another mace will arrive from the east this turn. Two more maces and two swords will approach from the south, and will be at the hill in two turns. The first mace, on its second turn, we need to pillage the mined grassland. If we had forces coming in from the north (we did, but they are dead now), we could spread them out to deny the BG tiles north of Bergen. On the third turn we should be able to begin the final assault of Bergen.
Trondheim Battle Plans 480 AD
When we recapture Trondheim, we free up a lot of tiles for rapid movement. Our forces here are not quite as strong as those attacking Bergen, but the defenders are weaker; just spears.
In two turns we will have catapults, swords and maces just outside the city. We will begin with catapults, and then try to get a Great Leader with our elite sword.
Oslo Battle Plans 480 AD
This is a delaying action while we clean up the rest of the map. Our units are weak, but after Bergen and Trondheim are taken, those units can quickly head east and concentrate on Oslo. Until then, just keep hitting at it with catapults, and hope for the best.
Oslo in on a hill, which is sometimes hard to tell.
Roads
We now have a road through the jungle north of Copenhagen to the Spanish core. This means that new units from Barcelona and Murcia do not have to go through Odense to fight Vikings. Head to Copenhagen and turn left or right as needed.
We almost have roads to connect Bergen and Reykjavik. The latter will be connected in two turns, the road to Bergen a little bit longer. We have workers in place that could connect to Bergen in two turns. They would be guarded by one mace, which is not enough to handle a sneak attack from Bergen. Two maces would be fine, but not one. So I moved these workers to the mountain east of Bergen, where they can make a mountain road as quick as a jungle road. Once that is done, they can move to the hill and begin to road that also.
As a general rule, it is better to have a group of workers complete something fast, that can be used/worked by a city or units, instead of having many workers all working on something different. We have jungle roads because the workers were combined into work groups that could build a jungle road in two turns. The other way would have taken nine turns, if one worker worked on each tile of the road.
We need roads for communicated and movement. After we take care of the Vikings, we need to focus on England. She has a better economy than the Vikings and will have knights. England has 14 cities, second only to Spain in city count. We will need roads up to the English border and some improvement near our cities. Clearing jungles can wait. That takes 24 worker turns to clear one tile. It only takes 6 turns to build a mine in plains or grassland.
Hawk Chieftain
Prince
I got the save.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I hope your combats are better than mine were. I got in a rush with Bergen and Reykjavik and Oslo and chanced battles I should not have. I needed more units. I keep forgetting that when we battle in on their turf our guys do not heal. Seems so obvious, but I keep overlooking it.
Hawk Chieftain
Prince
Pre-flight: Trading
Everyone except Babylon & Arabia has Chivalry, but wont trade
Arabia is down Invention & Education, but can only offer WM + 5 gold
Babylon is down Education, will offer WM +18 gold, take that
English will take a military alliance vs. Vikings for WM + 340 gold
Vikings will offer Chivalry + 20 gold, & 23gpt for peace
Turn 1 (480AD)
Viking Galley is near Norwich (English)
Odense has flipped to Vikings
Palace expands
Catapults fail to bomb Oslo
Pamplona- Worker<Mace (40 turns)
Cats & Sword move into 1st position towards Trondheim
Workers build road on Dyes near Reykjavik, Mace stays
Move stack of Settlers near Odense SW
Mace kills Spear, Odense is recaptured (1-0)
Odense starts building Temple (30 turns) to prevent flip
IBT- Viking Galley moves toward Almeria
Toledo- Mace< Mace (5 turns)
Murcia- Mace< Mace (10 turns)
Copenhagen- Worker< Barracks (40 turns)
Turn 2 (500 AD)
Cats fail to bomb Oslo
Cats & Sword move into 2nd position towards Trondheim
Mace pillages Mine near Bergen
Settler joins Stavanger, now size 4
IBT- Zulus demand Territory Map & 34 gold, turn them down,
Zulus declare war on us!
Reykjavik flips to Vikings
Persians build Sistine Chapel
Ivory City- Mace< Mace (4 turns)
Seville- Mace< Mace (3 turns)
Turn 3 (510 AD)
Cats fail to bomb Trondheim
Cats fail to bomb Oslo
Mace loses to spear at Trondheim (1-1)
Sword loses to spear at Trondheim (1-2)
Spear is killed at Trondheim (2-2)
Attack on Bergen, lose Sword & Mace (2-4)
Kill Pike & spear (4-4)
Capture Bergen & 4 slave workers, start on Temple (30 turns)
IBT- Persians will trade Chivalry for Iron, done
Trade Dyes to Persians for WM, 130 gold, & 2gpt
Trade Ivory to Persians for 5 gold & 9gpt
English & Ottomans start building Leos Workshop
Jaen- Mace< Mace (14 turns)
Barcelona- Mace< Mace (4 turns)
Turn 4 (520AD)
Cats take 1 hit point off of Spear in Oslo
Cats fail to bomb Trondheim
Lose sword to spear at Oslo (4-5)
Move maces & sword
Mace attacks spear at Trondheim, wins (5-5)
Trondheim builds Temple (30 turns)
IBT- Babylon start building Leos Workshop
Vitoria- Mace<Mace (8 turns)
Madrid- Settler<Settler (6 turns)
Viking Galley joins Hareid
Turn 5 (530 AD)
Cats hit 2 spears in Oslo
Move 3 Mace closer to Aarhus
Move Sword & Cats to road near Reyjavik
IBT- Cordoba- Temple<Knight (70 turns)
Discover that Vikings founded Molde just North of Cordoba
Seville- Mace< Mace (3 turns)
Logrono- Mace< Mace (8 turns)
Turn 6 (540 AD)
2 hits by Cats at Oslo
Mace stack attacks Aarhus, kills 2 spears (7-5)
Aarhus starts Temple (30 turns)
IBT- Trading
Persians up Astronomy, also have Furs, want WM & 360 gold
Arabs down Chivalry, Invention, and Education. Only have 10 gold.
Vikings only offer 20 gold for peace
English up Astronomy, wont trade
Buy a clown at Toledo & Teruel
Persians start Copernicuss
Ivory City- Mace< Mace (4 turns)
Salamanca- Mace< Mace (10 turns)
Barcelona- Mace< Mace (4 turns)
Turn 7 (550 AD)
Cats kill one citizen in Oslo
Movement towards Reyjavik
IBT- Ottomans complete Sun Tzus
Persians start Leos Workshop
Turn 8 (560 AD)
Cats kill one citizen in Reyjavik & Oslo
Mace kills spear, captures Reyjavik
Reyjavik builds Barracks (40 turns)
IBT- Seville- Mace< Mace (3 turns)
English start Copernicus & Leos
Turn 9 (570 AD)
Cats hit spear in Oslo
Move Maces & Cat closer to English border
Move worker to jobs around Bergen
Settler joins Bergen, grows to size 4
IBT- Madrid- Settler< Settler (6 turns)
Almeria- Temple< Mace (20 turns)
Turn 10 (580 AD)
Cats hit spear in Oslo
Fortify 2 Cats in Trondheim
Spear kills Mace, Mace kills spear in Oslo (8-6)
Trading:
English up Banking & Astronomy, wont trade
Persians up Banking & Astronomy, wont trade
Arabs down Chivalry, Invention, & Education. Will offer WM & 32 gold for each
one. Trade Chivalry.
Vikings still only offer WM & 30 gold for peace.
Everyone except Babylon & Arabia has Chivalry, but wont trade
Arabia is down Invention & Education, but can only offer WM + 5 gold
Babylon is down Education, will offer WM +18 gold, take that
English will take a military alliance vs. Vikings for WM + 340 gold
Vikings will offer Chivalry + 20 gold, & 23gpt for peace
Turn 1 (480AD)
Viking Galley is near Norwich (English)
Odense has flipped to Vikings
Palace expands
Catapults fail to bomb Oslo
Pamplona- Worker<Mace (40 turns)
Cats & Sword move into 1st position towards Trondheim
Workers build road on Dyes near Reykjavik, Mace stays
Move stack of Settlers near Odense SW
Mace kills Spear, Odense is recaptured (1-0)
Odense starts building Temple (30 turns) to prevent flip
IBT- Viking Galley moves toward Almeria
Toledo- Mace< Mace (5 turns)
Murcia- Mace< Mace (10 turns)
Copenhagen- Worker< Barracks (40 turns)
Turn 2 (500 AD)
Cats fail to bomb Oslo
Cats & Sword move into 2nd position towards Trondheim
Mace pillages Mine near Bergen
Settler joins Stavanger, now size 4
IBT- Zulus demand Territory Map & 34 gold, turn them down,
Zulus declare war on us!
Reykjavik flips to Vikings
Persians build Sistine Chapel
Ivory City- Mace< Mace (4 turns)
Seville- Mace< Mace (3 turns)
Turn 3 (510 AD)
Cats fail to bomb Trondheim
Cats fail to bomb Oslo
Mace loses to spear at Trondheim (1-1)
Sword loses to spear at Trondheim (1-2)
Spear is killed at Trondheim (2-2)
Attack on Bergen, lose Sword & Mace (2-4)
Kill Pike & spear (4-4)
Capture Bergen & 4 slave workers, start on Temple (30 turns)
IBT- Persians will trade Chivalry for Iron, done
Trade Dyes to Persians for WM, 130 gold, & 2gpt
Trade Ivory to Persians for 5 gold & 9gpt
English & Ottomans start building Leos Workshop
Jaen- Mace< Mace (14 turns)
Barcelona- Mace< Mace (4 turns)
Turn 4 (520AD)
Cats take 1 hit point off of Spear in Oslo
Cats fail to bomb Trondheim
Lose sword to spear at Oslo (4-5)
Move maces & sword
Mace attacks spear at Trondheim, wins (5-5)
Trondheim builds Temple (30 turns)
IBT- Babylon start building Leos Workshop
Vitoria- Mace<Mace (8 turns)
Madrid- Settler<Settler (6 turns)
Viking Galley joins Hareid
Turn 5 (530 AD)
Cats hit 2 spears in Oslo
Move 3 Mace closer to Aarhus
Move Sword & Cats to road near Reyjavik
IBT- Cordoba- Temple<Knight (70 turns)
Discover that Vikings founded Molde just North of Cordoba
Seville- Mace< Mace (3 turns)
Logrono- Mace< Mace (8 turns)
Turn 6 (540 AD)
2 hits by Cats at Oslo
Mace stack attacks Aarhus, kills 2 spears (7-5)
Aarhus starts Temple (30 turns)
IBT- Trading
Persians up Astronomy, also have Furs, want WM & 360 gold
Arabs down Chivalry, Invention, and Education. Only have 10 gold.
Vikings only offer 20 gold for peace
English up Astronomy, wont trade
Buy a clown at Toledo & Teruel
Persians start Copernicuss
Ivory City- Mace< Mace (4 turns)
Salamanca- Mace< Mace (10 turns)
Barcelona- Mace< Mace (4 turns)
Turn 7 (550 AD)
Cats kill one citizen in Oslo
Movement towards Reyjavik
IBT- Ottomans complete Sun Tzus
Persians start Leos Workshop
Turn 8 (560 AD)
Cats kill one citizen in Reyjavik & Oslo
Mace kills spear, captures Reyjavik
Reyjavik builds Barracks (40 turns)
IBT- Seville- Mace< Mace (3 turns)
English start Copernicus & Leos
Turn 9 (570 AD)
Cats hit spear in Oslo
Move Maces & Cat closer to English border
Move worker to jobs around Bergen
Settler joins Bergen, grows to size 4
IBT- Madrid- Settler< Settler (6 turns)
Almeria- Temple< Mace (20 turns)
Turn 10 (580 AD)
Cats hit spear in Oslo
Fortify 2 Cats in Trondheim
Spear kills Mace, Mace kills spear in Oslo (8-6)
Trading:
English up Banking & Astronomy, wont trade
Persians up Banking & Astronomy, wont trade
Arabs down Chivalry, Invention, & Education. Will offer WM & 32 gold for each
one. Trade Chivalry.
Vikings still only offer WM & 30 gold for peace.
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CommandoBob
AbstractArt
(Catching up at work)
Quite a haul, capturing four cities in ten turns!
And I see the jungle road made it into Bergen. Good, we can move units west to east much faster now.
Need to remove Oslo and that H name city.
Zulus wanna fight, eh? I wonder if we can sign any MAs against the Zulus; gotta check.
Plan to look at it in more detail later this evening.
Looks good!
Quite a haul, capturing four cities in ten turns!
And I see the jungle road made it into Bergen. Good, we can move units west to east much faster now.
Need to remove Oslo and that H name city.
Zulus wanna fight, eh? I wonder if we can sign any MAs against the Zulus; gotta check.
Plan to look at it in more detail later this evening.
Looks good!
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I downloaded the save and looked at it briefly. I may be able to play some turns this evening. I hope to be able to settle the Viking issue by capturing Oslo and that H-town in my turns.
How do we want to win?
But we need a plan.
Space/Culture
I think we can win the Space Victory and maybe a Culture Victory, but to do so we have to stop the other civs in their quest for techs and culture. In order to stop the other civs we will need to stop their ability to research and gain culture. We have two ways to do that, indirect action and direct action.
Indirect Action
By indirect action I am referring to Military Alliances. We have one now with England against the Vikings. We could use one against the Persians, since they have the highest culture (over 4000 points) and growing culture the fastest (over 100 points per turn, but they could be in a Golden Age). They are the front runner. It would be nice if we could join the Ottomans (2nd place culture) and the Babylonians (3rd place culture) in an MA against Persia. However, first we need embassies with these people and we will probably need a lot of cash to buy the MAs. Not too feasible in the near future (20-40 turns).
Direct Action
Direct action is somewhat easier. We declare war, attack the cities, keep what we want and raze the rest. The doing is the hard part. Embassies are not needed, but overseas transport is.
In either case, our goal is to reduce each civ to one or two cities, but not eliminate them. This is to help us in our research. First, while we are getting ready to reduce each civ, they will continue to research and trade their techs with each other. As more civs know a technology, the cost goes down. When all the other civs know some new tech, we can shop around and get the best deal for it. Also, by reducing them to one or two cities each, we stop their research, since they now have at most only two libraries/universities to help learn new things. By this time, our own research could be in place to allow us to learn new techs in a reasonable time period (less than 10 turns, 4 would be great).
Both ways involve a lot of warfare first in order to be smart later. We would have to be careful not to win by Domination.
Conquest
Or we could decide not to go to space and just conquer the world, which would be much easier. Like we are doing now, we pick a victim and attack them until they are gone. And repeat until we have conquered the world.
With just two of us, regardless of which VC we select, it will be a lot of work. And in the short term (my ten turns), it does not affect what has to be done as we finish the Viking war. It does affect how we look at England, but not greatly.
Either way, we both have a lot of learning to do as we finish this game.
How do you think we ought to win?
How do we want to win?
That was way back on Page 1, Post #20. We were aiming for space victory first or a culture victory. This has become more difficult as the game has progressed. To gain the stars, we need to be a lot smarter than what we are. To win by culture, we need more culture, especially temples, since they are cheap for us.nerovats said:
But we need a plan.
Space/Culture
I think we can win the Space Victory and maybe a Culture Victory, but to do so we have to stop the other civs in their quest for techs and culture. In order to stop the other civs we will need to stop their ability to research and gain culture. We have two ways to do that, indirect action and direct action.
Indirect Action
By indirect action I am referring to Military Alliances. We have one now with England against the Vikings. We could use one against the Persians, since they have the highest culture (over 4000 points) and growing culture the fastest (over 100 points per turn, but they could be in a Golden Age). They are the front runner. It would be nice if we could join the Ottomans (2nd place culture) and the Babylonians (3rd place culture) in an MA against Persia. However, first we need embassies with these people and we will probably need a lot of cash to buy the MAs. Not too feasible in the near future (20-40 turns).
Direct Action
Direct action is somewhat easier. We declare war, attack the cities, keep what we want and raze the rest. The doing is the hard part. Embassies are not needed, but overseas transport is.
In either case, our goal is to reduce each civ to one or two cities, but not eliminate them. This is to help us in our research. First, while we are getting ready to reduce each civ, they will continue to research and trade their techs with each other. As more civs know a technology, the cost goes down. When all the other civs know some new tech, we can shop around and get the best deal for it. Also, by reducing them to one or two cities each, we stop their research, since they now have at most only two libraries/universities to help learn new things. By this time, our own research could be in place to allow us to learn new techs in a reasonable time period (less than 10 turns, 4 would be great).
Both ways involve a lot of warfare first in order to be smart later. We would have to be careful not to win by Domination.
Conquest
Or we could decide not to go to space and just conquer the world, which would be much easier. Like we are doing now, we pick a victim and attack them until they are gone. And repeat until we have conquered the world.
With just two of us, regardless of which VC we select, it will be a lot of work. And in the short term (my ten turns), it does not affect what has to be done as we finish the Viking war. It does affect how we look at England, but not greatly.
Either way, we both have a lot of learning to do as we finish this game.
How do you think we ought to win?
Got some time to get good look at save, so here is my 0,02.
Why are we building temples again and why are there so many settlers unused?
I'd move the 3 MI from around Odense towards Hareid, over the mountains. Move the wounded units near Oslo on the mountain and into the stack. Move out cats from Trondheim as it's got a huge flip risk, might be even better to disband and replace it. Move other MI towards Oslo. Since we have no alliance we can make peace after taking those last 2 cities which should just take 4 more turns.
Knights are a lot more powerful then MI so I suggest to change all current builds to knights. we have 6 settlers so better not produce any more until we can use them. We can rush them lateron in corrupt cities when needed.
We appear to be close in techs, and will be able to claim a lot from english when we pushed them of of our continent (also take the island and just leave them Leeds). Tht should just about get us on par with the other civ's. There's absolutely no problem in catching up and overtaking the AI on techs. Especially if we get our second core up.
Using 1 scientist is a lot cheaper then keeping science at 10%. Lux is to high as well. In quick management operation I got this save up to +21 gpt.
Building improvements in fromer scandinavia is not very usefull until we get an FP there (or jump the palace). Seville could build the FP in 14 turns, then jump palace to Copenhagen giving us 2 productive cores, and reducing flip chances as former Viking cities wil then be closer to our capitol then to their last island city. Civassist will tell where the capitol will flip, just move a lot of units into the town.
Nobody has gunpowder yet so everyone is easily beatable with a combination of cats and MI/knights. Start preparing to invade England. Take norwich with some knights, start moving the MI south now. Just leave a handfull on strategic locations, and close to the Persian city. Take a ship with some pikes to pillage their iron, and maybe their powder as soon as we can see if they got any. Keep those pikes on the hill, 2 or even better 4 should do the trick. Without it they are sitting ducks.
Once we got this continent all victory conditions are very much possible. We'll have by far the biggest territory and some good land, especially after clearing the jungle. For space we'll need lot of libs and uni's.
To win culturally we could ISC and buy a temple, lib and a cathedral in all cities. Just get enough cities, and we'll overtake all AI. Could build an invasion force and raze the core's of civ's which are growing fast like Persia, but that is probably not even neccesary.
Diplo is also an option as we just messed with some civs, make friends with the others (sign RoP, trade, gift) and we'll be ok.
Domination/conquest , arabs seem weak (no horse no iron) and would make a nice landing place as it's close. Also Babylon seems doable, as their iron is pilligable as well, but they are likely to have powder. Sign alliance with Zulu and Ottomans and they will face a 360 degree frontline. They should be enough for dommination.
Why are we building temples again and why are there so many settlers unused?
I'd move the 3 MI from around Odense towards Hareid, over the mountains. Move the wounded units near Oslo on the mountain and into the stack. Move out cats from Trondheim as it's got a huge flip risk, might be even better to disband and replace it. Move other MI towards Oslo. Since we have no alliance we can make peace after taking those last 2 cities which should just take 4 more turns.
Knights are a lot more powerful then MI so I suggest to change all current builds to knights. we have 6 settlers so better not produce any more until we can use them. We can rush them lateron in corrupt cities when needed.
We appear to be close in techs, and will be able to claim a lot from english when we pushed them of of our continent (also take the island and just leave them Leeds). Tht should just about get us on par with the other civ's. There's absolutely no problem in catching up and overtaking the AI on techs. Especially if we get our second core up.
Using 1 scientist is a lot cheaper then keeping science at 10%. Lux is to high as well. In quick management operation I got this save up to +21 gpt.
Building improvements in fromer scandinavia is not very usefull until we get an FP there (or jump the palace). Seville could build the FP in 14 turns, then jump palace to Copenhagen giving us 2 productive cores, and reducing flip chances as former Viking cities wil then be closer to our capitol then to their last island city. Civassist will tell where the capitol will flip, just move a lot of units into the town.
Nobody has gunpowder yet so everyone is easily beatable with a combination of cats and MI/knights. Start preparing to invade England. Take norwich with some knights, start moving the MI south now. Just leave a handfull on strategic locations, and close to the Persian city. Take a ship with some pikes to pillage their iron, and maybe their powder as soon as we can see if they got any. Keep those pikes on the hill, 2 or even better 4 should do the trick. Without it they are sitting ducks.
Once we got this continent all victory conditions are very much possible. We'll have by far the biggest territory and some good land, especially after clearing the jungle. For space we'll need lot of libs and uni's.
To win culturally we could ISC and buy a temple, lib and a cathedral in all cities. Just get enough cities, and we'll overtake all AI. Could build an invasion force and raze the core's of civ's which are growing fast like Persia, but that is probably not even neccesary.
Diplo is also an option as we just messed with some civs, make friends with the others (sign RoP, trade, gift) and we'll be ok.
Domination/conquest , arabs seem weak (no horse no iron) and would make a nice landing place as it's close. Also Babylon seems doable, as their iron is pilligable as well, but they are likely to have powder. Sign alliance with Zulu and Ottomans and they will face a 360 degree frontline. They should be enough for dommination.
CommandoBob
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Well I did not know where to put settlers where they could be productive. It seemed too early to put them around Trondheim, but I could have just been too cautious and careful.nerovats said:
Trondheim has the Great Library, though its benefits are gone.
I did not get to play last night, so these changes can be made on the IBT.
That is good to know!
I keep forgetting that the FP changes the corruption calculation. I have it stuck in my mind that the FP is RCP based, when only the capital is.
Buy embassies this IBT? We only have two, Vikings and England.
Buying embasies is no must, also could depend on wether you want to conquer the other continent as well. Then it's nice to get embasies just beore invading so you get a more or less free look at their capitol. But building them now will improve their attitude (at least that's my experience) and you could always investigate some cities just be fore invading. When going for peacefull VC I would get them now.
CommandoBob
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I need to be skipped this turnset. I've been sick lately and not been able to play my turns and it will be the weekend before I could get back to this game.
I have not made any changes to the last saved game.
Sorry.
I have not made any changes to the last saved game.
Sorry.
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