A pueblo/Navajo civ would play very different than a Comanche civ.
Yes, but a Comanche civ would play very similarly to an Apache civ. So my point still stands that "Navajo/Apache/etc." is not only a pretty large blob of design space, but that it very comfortably covers the Comanche.
Where does this assumption people who want Vietnam added are hive mind morons come from?
The fact that the substantial majority of pro-Vietnam posts on reddit seem to only like the idea because it would have a sister duo leader. Or so they think. The justification, like Georgia, seems to involve a lot of selective conflation of the civ itself, when really the fans just want a badass female and/or Asian leader.
Agreed. I think there are a lot of reasons one might favor Vietnam. For example, the fact that Vietnam is part of the Sinosphere while most of SEA has been more influenced by India. As much as I'd like Siam back, I think Vietnam makes the most sense if we get another SEA civ for this reason.
Except Vietnam never really
did anything outside of push back Chinese invasion, temporarily. Siam pushed back European colonization when Vietnam couldn't. Vietnam spent most of its existence as a puppet of either China or France.
Let me draw a distinction. Vietnam is currently more relevant than Thailand because of more recent conflict. It's a baity subject among American military enthusiasts, of which the civ fanbase has a lot. It's a convenient representation of a country with large native and emigrant populations (because these days so many players want their own cultures represented in civ). It will be included and sell well because Vietnam is a player in the culture game
now. However with respect to the entirety of human activity prior to the 1960s, Siam will always remain more historically relevant than Vietnam ever was.
Tibet, arguably just as much part of the Sinosphere, will always remain more historically relevant than Vietnam.
Every civ sound interesting when you completely ignore context. I'm not saying Vietnam isn't interesting or maybe eventually deserving of inclusion after some 30 other civs are added. But "China, but not, and small" is nowhere near important enough to be the top choice on every poll. There has been substantial embellishment and campaigning behind the Vietnam phenomenon, and it takes willful blindness to try to argue away all of the
actual reasons why Vietnam is everyone's top pick. They are Vietnamese. They like Pho. They like mid-century war films. All of these are modern, pop culture reasons; the "historical" argument is just a lazy attempt to justify shallow taste.
Hungary is called Hungary due to a mistaken theory that stated Magyars are descendants of the Huns, the theory died, yet some foreign languages -prominently English- do not care. The country is inhabited by Magyars so I really cannot see how you can differentiate between the two. About the influence, well, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, I will not argue about it. It is hard to take credit for things in the tangled mutual history of Eastern Europe. Jadwiga is funnily Hungarian-born, by the way. During a good part of her reign, Poland belonged to the Kingdom of Hungary actually. Later Hungary and Poland had a Polish-born king as well. And so on...
I know this. And apart from the name, the Magyars quite likely are a "fallback" civ. Not even necessarily because anyone
liked the Huns, but because they have small imaginations and want the game to change as little as possible from iteration to iteration. Scythia took the Huns' spot, and so this is a "problem" that needs to be solved. How do you represent the western steppes if Scythia is now the Huns? Aha, the tools say, the Magyars were horseback invaders. We can still have the Magyars in this new Civ world. Let's have the Magyars. And so everyone jumps on the Hungary train.
This is, ironically, ridiculous, because as implied by your post, Jadwiga stole much of Hungary's thunder. Who wants the Austro-Hungarian "Hussar" unit anymore when Poland has the "Winged Hussar?" What else can Hungary offer to build a unique civ from, really? I just don't see Hungary happening, and if it does, it will be one of the blandest additions to the game.