New Beta Version - August 6th (8/6)

[Gazebo]

Yeah, I agree. Spreading my religion is simply too much of a bother - especially because IMO the Religious gameplay relating to conversion is super tedious. That's not VP's fault, it's base Civ, I just can't stand monotonously trudging Missionaries over to their destination. Now that it just isn't much use anyway, I find myself taking GoAC a lot just because it doesn't seem worth the play effort let alone the success effort. If I do found, I almost never build around intending to covert others.

There is an automate button on those bad little dudes, though. And it works pretty well.

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[Enrico Swagolo]

Charge promotion is really overnerfed. In it's current shape, it has no point. It is as strong as Shock or Drill, and that means picking Shock or Drill is the better choice every time.

 

[Owlbebach]

I was one of those who proposed to play with fewer religions a while ago, so I wasn't happy with this reverse. It weakens religious founders to the point of asking if it is really worth founding, or just share whatever religion your neighbors have.

Yeah, I agree. Spreading my religion is simply too much of a bother - especially because IMO the Religious gameplay relating to conversion is super tedious.

I like it the new way. It is more situational and more starategic. During all previous years it was always better to found. Take a look at my OCC game that i'm playing. Was it worth founding? Sure as hell it was!

There is an automate button on those bad little dudes, though. And it works pretty well.

Unfortunately not. They rot in your neighbours land.

 

[CrabHelmet]

There is an automate button on those bad little dudes, though. And it works pretty well.

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The automated button is pretty poor at managing religious attrition. No offence or anything, I've never known a single strategy game to handle AI and attrition together, it's clearly an incredibly difficult task.

 

[Kim Dong Un]

I was one of those who proposed to play with fewer religions a while ago, so I wasn't happy with this reverse. It weakens religious founders to the point of asking if it is really worth founding, or just share whatever religion your neighbors have.

Maybe not reduce, but at least go back to what we had before.

Charge promotion is really overnerfed. In it's current shape, it has no point. It is as strong as Shock or Drill, and that means picking Shock or Drill is the better choice every time.

I agree with this for sure.

 

[Gothic_Empire]

The automated button is pretty poor at managing religious attrition. No offence or anything, I've never known a single strategy game to handle AI and attrition together, it's clearly an incredibly difficult task.

If one or two turns of attrition is enough to kill your religious game, you're not producing enough missionaries to effectively spread your religion anyway.

Trading for open borders is less micro-management than running 20 units, too.

 

[Enginseer]

I like the new religion addition though, it adds extra tension to the game. But then again I playtest with 22 civs every game which makes each religion vying for control the greater prominence.

Although I would prefer a civ 4 modification of an increased max amount of religion to be allowed under researching a specific technology first (Allowing a modern or a renaissance entry of a new religion that starts with some extra missionaries and such). I would make it a modmod, but that's beyond my limits.

 

[CrazyG]

I think the extra religion is a fine addition if the game has 10+ civs.

Smaller than that, its kind of awkward in my experience. I definitely don't try to spread very often because of it.

 

[Legen]

I like the extra religion, it reduces the likelihood of a continent having someone snowballing for founding the only religion there. The extra tension due to the presence of another religious leader is also neat to see.

 

[theMisterRud]

Question: how do you deal with religion pressure when you hold a religion as a Tall player and you are surrounded by 2 religions held by wide players, producing cray amount of pressure ?

 

[CrabHelmet]

Could this be a difference relating to map size? I usually play Small because of turn lengths - 4 Religions between 6 Civs does not feel right. But at larger sizes, maybe it is different?

 

[ofmiciv5]

can you make it optional to view/hide those stuffs at the top like science, gold, faith, resources etc because im one of those who run at only 1366x768 reso and it crowded up when i reached on later stages on the game when all resources are enabled. thanks.

is there an earth map wherein you can play all 43 civs with TSL? i tried editing some maps and i still end up at 22 cap. it was fun playing with 43 civs but playing indonesia on russia tsl is funny.

 

[Owlbebach]

I think the extra religion is a fine addition if the game has 10+ civs.
Smaller than that, its kind of awkward in my experience. I definitely don't try to spread very often because of it.

My personal experience is that the best setup is Standard map with low sea level and 10 civs. 5 religions are just a fine number in that case. Thing is that low level changes proportion of water/land so that there is more land, but map size is the same so it does not affect turn time very much.

I really think that for maps that are Small size and larger the optimal number of religions should be NUMBER_OF_CIVS/2, and for Huge map it should be 1+(NUMBER_OF_CIVS/2). I had lots of experience with maps from Huge to Standard with many different setups (different combinations with more and less religions and/or civs than default)

Question: how do you deal with religion pressure when you hold a religion as a Tall player and you are surrounded by 2 religions held by wide players, producing cray amount of pressure ?

You don't. You just spend all your faith on Inquisitors.

 

[ofmiciv5]

My personal experience is that the best setup is Standard map with low sea level and 10 civs. 5 religions are just a fine number in that case. Thing is that low level changes proportion of water/land so that there is more land, but map size is the same so it does not affect turn time very much.

I really think that for maps that are Small size and larger the optimal number of religions should be NUMBER_OF_CIVS/2, and for Huge map it should be 1+(NUMBER_OF_CIVS/2). I had lots of experience with maps from Huge to Standard with many different setups (different combinations with more and less religions and/or civs than default)


You don't. You just spend all your faith on Inquisitors.

lately i've been playing on huge maps, not bad though, same with standard. i have no problems regarding religion no matter what civ im playing.i rarely spend on inquisitors. i always build shrine next to monument and after founding a religion, i spam missionaries to convert nearby civ/cs asap, only then when i get a strong foothold on pressure will i go on to enhance it. will only take fealty if there are civs nearby who might flip mine. my go to beliefs will always be church and cathedral/mosque. and that double pressure on trade or increase pressure 25-50 (was it?)%.

 

[Owlbebach]

lately i've been playing on huge maps, not bad though, same with standard. i have no problems regarding religion no matter what civ im playing.i rarely spend on inquisitors. i always build shrine next to monument and after founding a religion, i spam missionaries to convert nearby civ/cs asap, only then when i get a strong foothold on pressure will i go on to enhance it. will only take fealty if there are civs nearby who might flip mine. my go to beliefs will always be church and cathedral/mosque. and that double pressure on trade or increase pressure 25-50 (was it?)%.

Maybe the difficulty is different? You are guaranteed to have problems with spreading on Immortal+. I'm pretty sure that Churches are just bad and Scripture/Ritual are not an optimal belief in many cases. Spamming Missionaries is also not the best choice in many situations. Sometimes you want to Enhance faster to get the belief that you really want (like Sainthood, that might be a key for your strategy)

 

[ofmiciv5]

Maybe the difficulty is different? You are guaranteed to have problems with spreading on Immortal+. I'm pretty sure that Churches are just bad and Scripture/Ritual are not an optimal belief in many cases. Spamming Missionaries is also not the best choice in many situations. Sometimes you want to Enhance faster to get the belief that you really want (like Sainthood, that might be a key for your strategy)

may i know your setup when playing? ill try playing with that settings tonight (map size, map name, time, difficulty, #of civ/cs)

 

[Owlbebach]

may i know your setup when playing? ill try playing with that settings tonight (map size, map name, time, difficulty, #of civ/cs)

Standard, Pangea, low sea level, strategic balance, 10 civs, Deity

 

[ofmiciv5]

Standard, Pangea, low sea level, strategic balance, 10 civs, Deity

aw diety. haha too hot to handle.

 

[Enrico Swagolo]

Parthian Tactics is seriously OP I'd say, my Skirmisher blob which got there fast with several city conquest quests is now a band of blue rodents foiling plans of bespectacled scientists and those skirmishers really cannot be caught in most cases. I'm like Mongolia. I suggest it going back to 1 mov and getting a filler bonus, like +10% CS on defense or offense. That, or other units +1 mov promotions should also be increased to +2 so there's some equality.

 

[DoctorDuke]

I have this problem too. So bug is still there. I had supply 10/10 then used great general for a citadel but supply still 10/10. The game is saying supply is increased by 2 but it is not.

Me too, 2 different games, level 4 Monty, level 6 Alex